Tech Stop thinking Shazam is bad

[xInfra Deadx]

stop comparing scorpion with shazam

That would be Killer Frost...but that's another day for another thread.

 

[RYX]

I mix it up with invisibility.

I do too when I use him. It's very fun but I'm still the worst Ares in existence. ;_;

 

[Big Pampering]

they have something in common, both have risky 50/50 to get their damage.. THEIR both bad!

scorpions problem wasnt his vortex it was basically his whole moveset that held him back, mediocre normals and anti air, no real safe move that lead to anything buggy armor, one of the worst pokes in the game. Im sure shazam has enough tools to at least be able to play the universal footsies game.

 

[187x]

scorpions problem wasnt his vortex it was basically his whole moveset that held him back, mediocre normals and anti air, no real safe move that lead to anything buggy armor, one of the worst pokes in the game. Im sure shazam has enough tools to at least be able to play the universal footsies game.

enough tools like his shity teleport? shazam is ass

 

[MagicMan357]

enough tools like his shity teleport? shazam is ass

his tele isnt shitty its just not for easy ways out

Its a special that you must incorporate into your gameplan

 

[Heroic_Legacy]

D3 is -fullcomboounish, 25f teleport that can't go through much without a ridiculosus read. His only safe overheads are eother f3 or f1 (high) 2. His basic strings are general high starters with his best mid starter at 17f. His prjectile is a high and his command throws are full combo on whiff. Buggy armor? We have to guess on wakeup if you're crouching or standing to wakeup invincible and hit you. Scorpion at least has a meterless 5050 so he at least has meter to break. The mixup sh azam does is meter negative by a lot so he always loses wager if he's winning just like doomsday.

 

[otter]

Mb bolts suck, sorry. Teleport isn't raiden's. Sorry, get better as a player instead of anchoring a momentum character as to why you lose.

Aside from the balance issue, I don't think it's okay to have moves be useless from a design perspective. There is no reason to teleport EVER, and anytime you use a bolt, thats time you should have spent advancing. They should adjust these things to have situation uses even if it barely effects balance.

 

[Heroic_Legacy]

They have situational uses. Since bolt is a high everyone tries to duck it, and at midrange if you show bolt chucking you can easily b2 or torpedo them for trying to preemptively duck his fireball. Also very good for punishing terribly spaced air projectiles. Teleport is good for building meter backwards or for allowing the corpse hop ttech in another shazam thread. Also great for avoiding interactables.

 

[MagicMan357]

1.) then dont just through it out and learn the spacning (exactly what i did)

2.) The Teleport isnt for free advancement, its usualy for creating the desired spacing when ending a combo (corpse hopping)

3.) Alot of characters are like that but so what? 2 is a 12 frame mid with good range and allows for a free tele on block

4.) his projectile isnt anything special i admit, so are all throws

5.) You cannot get out of this unless you do a wakeup so that irrelevant

 

[Foreskin Fissure]

I have no idea why all these anti-shazamers are in a shazam thread.

 

[RexyWrecks]

I've mained Shazam since day 1. He's ass.

 

[Zoidberg747]

After seeing EddiePistons Shazam in action, I have to agree with Tom on this one. He has problems but is definitely viable.

 

[Ether]

LOL

If you guys think Shazam is bad now, you should have seen how bad he was pre-day 1 hotfix when Atlas Torpedo only did 5% damage and 2,2 whiffed on crouchers despite being mid.

I'm not saying Shazam doesn't have holes in his game, but the metagame is still young. Nobody is playing an optimal Shazam right now and a lot of braindead stuff that is currently working for other characters gets blown up.

This character is like SSF4 Ibuki; you don't really have matchups. If you get the knockdown and get your pressure going, you win. If you don't, you lose.

Stop relying so much on 2,2 to establish pressure. You have other stuff.

 

[Error]

scorpions problem wasnt his vortex it was basically his whole moveset that held him back, mediocre normals and anti air, no real safe move that lead to anything buggy armor

Scorpion had one of the best AAs in MK9 in his d1, and what armor move of his was buggy? I haven't played in a while so I don't remember.

 

[killa_solid]

Scorpion had one of the best AAs in MK9 in his d1, and what armor move of his was buggy? I haven't played in a while so I don't remember.

I think he is referring to ex spear whiffing on some chars while not on others. Although that's not an issue with the armor so idk.

 

[Big Pampering]

Scorpion had one of the best AAs in MK9 in his d1, and what armor move of his was buggy? I haven't played in a while so I don't remember.

both his armor moves go thorugh the opponent pretty often. you will have spend one meter to get full combo punished even though you made the right guess to armor out of pressure. D1's aren't that great for anti air they aren't as consistent as special move anti airs or standing anti airs, d1's get beat by jumpkicks and a good spaced cross over punch also beats it. scorpion has a good d1 for anti air though if you compare it with other d1's. I think you stopped playing Mk9 around the time before mlg since a lot of things changed when mlg started.

 

[EGP Wonder_Chef]

Stop relying so much on 2,2 to establish pressure. You have other stuff.

such as...?

 

[Shawi]

LOL

If you guys think Shazam is bad now, you should have seen how bad he was pre-day 1 hotfix when Atlas Torpedo only did 5% damage and 2,2 whiffed on crouchers despite being mid.

I'm not saying Shazam doesn't have holes in his game, but the metagame is still young. Nobody is playing an optimal Shazam right now and a lot of braindead stuff that is currently working for other characters gets blown up.

This character is like SSF4 Ibuki; you don't really have matchups. If you get the knockdown and get your pressure going, you win. If you don't, you lose.

Stop relying so much on 2,2 to establish pressure. You have other stuff.

We are taking about Shazam here. 1, maybe 2 solid attack strings for pressure. This is not the batman forum.

 

[Error]

both his armor moves go thorugh the opponent pretty often. you will have spend one meter to get full combo punished even though you made the right guess to armor out of pressure. D1's aren't that great for anti air they aren't as consistent as special move anti airs or standing anti airs, d1's get beat by jumpkicks and a good spaced cross over punch also beats it. scorpion has a good d1 for anti air though if you compare it with other d1's. I think you stopped playing Mk9 around the time before mlg since a lot of things changed when mlg started.

I stopped when Injustice came out, so I was around during all the changes, Scorpion's d1 was one of the few to work great against jump kicks and cross over punches because it had a great vertical hitbox. Now I remember his armor whiffing, but I think NRS hitboxes are to blame there.

 

[Ether]

such as...?

Condition opponent to block, throw out f+1,2. You get a small combo, a setup or +3 on block.

Footsie with HM's range like Zangief. Mix up witb b+2.

 

[MagicMan357]

such as...?

Spacing out you d3's and f1,2's

use his Teleport for mid combo spacing so you can stay on top of them

Instead of just mashing out 2,2 you can just d1 or just do 2 (lol)

 

[killa_solid]

Shazam is a few buffs away from being great imo. He has great potential.

 

[GAMETIME]

Shazam isn't that bad...

 

[THTB]

After seeing EddiePistons Shazam in action, I have to agree with Tom on this one. He has problems but is definitely viable.

Who is Eddie maining?

 

[MagicMan357]

I just found b3-j3-f1,2-tele foward puts shazam right on top of them