Tech Stop thinking Shazam is bad

[otter]

Calling for buffs on a character in the first month is very short-sighted. I'm not calling anyone dumb, this is about perspective.

1. Meta-games take a long time to develop (Street Fighter 2).
2. Zoners are always the most powerful archetype at the beginning of a game (MvC3, UMvC3).
3. Damage isn't everything (Dhalsim, Doomsday, Lex).
4. Grapplers take even longer than most characters to develop (SSF4 T Hawk, Hakan).

I agree with your post as a whole, but #2 is questionable. It strange you used the MvC3 series as the example because rushdown has always been way better than zoning in those games. It's not until recently, with Chris G's Morrigan, that zoning is viable at all. The average player is still better off in that ass with Wolverine though.

 

[Throwback]

I agree with your post as a whole, but #2 is questionable. It strange you used the MvC3 series as the example because rushdown has always been way better than zoning in those games. It's not until recently, with Chris G's Morrigan, that zoning is viable at all. The average player is still better off in that ass with Wolverine though.

At the very start of MvC3, deadpool, dante and Sentinel were wrecking tournaments like no tomorrow. I didn't follow UMvC3, but I know dormammu was considered ridiculous for a long time.

 

[Heroic_Legacy]

Calling for buffs on a character in the first month is very short-sighted. I'm not calling anyone dumb, this is about perspective.

2. Zoners are always the most powerful archetype at the beginning of a game (MvC3, UMvC3).
4. Grapplers take even longer than most characters to develop (SSF4 T Hawk, Hakan).

Did you even bother to look up results for MvC3? Or are you trying to tell me She Hulk Spencer Wolverine and Magneto are zoning characters?

Grapplers are usually month 1 pubstompers and designated mid tier until about a year into the game in which we see if they still body all the low tier options and struggle against top tier options.

 

[Throwback]

Did you even bother to look up results for MvC3? Or are you trying to tell me She Hulk Spencer Wolverine and Magneto are zoning characters?

Grapplers are usually month 1 pubstompers and designated mid tier until about a year into the game in which we see if they still body all the low tier options and struggle against top tier options.

Beginning of the game. Beginning of the game. Beginning of the game. Beginning of the game. Sentinel, dante guns, deadpool.

Are my examples of T Hawk and Hakan getting better after long development periods wrong?

 

[Heroic_Legacy]

Those strategies didn't work at the beginning of the game. People were infatuated with how easy it was to kill in one touch, not how zoning could be used. Unless your first line was actually you with your fingers in your ears chanting to yourself over and over again how you played the game before DHC glitch was found (Read as week 2)

T Hawk never got good, he's ass and will forever be ass. Pretty much no winning matchups. Hakan never got good either, he's still pretty terrible, just a one trick pony character now that sacrifices everything he has to remain useful for another 4 seconds.

 

[Redk9]

At the very start of MvC3, deadpool, dante and Sentinel were wrecking tournaments like no tomorrow. I didn't follow UMvC3, but I know dormammu was considered ridiculous for a long time.

You are 100% wrong. I am actually sponsored for Marvel, so if there's one thing I know, its that game. Rush down was dominate at the start of MVC3, as well as UMVC3. Wolverine, Magneto, and Dante were all common point characters and they were rush down. In Ultimate the start was wesker dominate, then it was vergil dominate both utilizing rush down. Only champ and Chris G effectively utilize keep away. Every other top player is rush down orientated, even now.

Even with SF rushdown has also been the face of the metagame. Vanilla sagat, and current guile being the only ones who are viable with keepaway. Rufus dominated late vanilla, and early super. Yun and fei long dominated all of AE, and Cammy, and Akuma dominate 2012 all being played entirely around rushdown.

 

[TectonicSuperPlates]

Watching the video makes me realize just how bad I am at this game.

 

[RYX]

4. Grapplers take even longer than most characters to develop (SSF4 T Hawk, Hakan).

Grundy's developed pretty damn quickly. :16Bit

 

[Throwback]

Well, I've been pretty conclusively proven to be talking out my arse.

Still not about to say that calling where a character sits 1 month into the game is in any way reasonable.

 

[Shawi]

1 year from now, whatever tech emerges, shazam will still be bottom tier. Guaranteed. He simply does not have the tools to compete.

#shazamtillidie

 

[Ether]

Hey, guys, I got a chance to play Tom in the Aquaman matchup a few weeks ago. Did okay game one. Felt like matchup knowledge, cleaner/simpler setups (instead of going for command grab setups after MB BF+2, which is obvious, I went for cross-up j.2, which turns out to be back dashable), less YOLO Atlas Torpedos and and getting hit by less overheads would go a long way.

 

[itskrd-eppostar]

Stop crying...deal with it..

 

[RYX]

1 year from now, whatever tech emerges, shazam will still be bottom tier. Guaranteed. He simply does not have the tools to compete.

#shazamtillidie

That's a very bold claim.

I think he'll be mid tier, other characters are worse right now. Some tweaks to his moves would be neat though.

 

[M.D.]

Make his command throw bf1 -> insta god tier.

 

[Heroic_Legacy]

Seriously the command throw input isn't a problem, stop using it as a crutch to say a character is bad. The dbf type of motion isn't the first game where command throws are input like that nor is it the last.

Shazam is bad anyway because he is a toxic character. If he were any good he'd be stupidly broken and the health of the game would decrease because at a mid to high level you'd explain this character to other fighting game players and they'd just be baffled as to how that got through testing.

"You mean this character when he gets in he puts you into a grab 50/50 that you can't jump/backdash out of, and you are forced into an unsafe reversal situation that is skewed against your favor depending on how your reversal allows a combo or not?"

"Yep"

"This sounds stupid."

 

[AnaboliChris]

Lol agree, the motion of his command throw is not hard at all.

KoF had those motions and harder motions. My tip to those that are new to that kind of motion...just grind it out in training mode.

That's a very bold claim.

I think he'll be mid tier, other characters are worse right now. Some tweaks to his moves would be neat though.

Tweaks such as:

-Faster start up on Teleport so it can be used as a wake up too and as well as a reaction tool against zoners.
-Meter burn Bolts needs to have faster start up..pretty much just a gimmick with very little use at this point. NRS can take away the damage of it..just make it have a faster start up so it has its uses.
-Meter burn torpedo needs to go through projectiles.

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

95% of you don't main shazam, and are claiming you know everything about the character and saying ifs and buts and blah blah blah blah blah.
Listen to Tom Brady, and listen to the shazam mains. if you don't play shazam, you have no say in this thread.
Personally for me I think tom brady and the shazam mains all make good points.
everyone else doesn't know what they are talking about because they don't want this game to be balanced whats so ever..
maybe shazam deserves a better anti air.
His tools do lack. if he is given better fundamental capabilities as a buff, i think shazam would be a super technical character and focused on looking for openings. his teleport is almost useless to. that should be re arranged. I'm able to blow up teleports on reaction.
But thats for the shazam mains to decide. those are just my suggestions.
Tom Brady good stuff on this shazam knowledge.

 

[MagicMan357]

People saying shazam is bad have no idea at all how to use him, thats the truth

Hey may need a FEW buffs

Faster startup on teleport
MB Bolt should give Shazam armor for the duration that it enters till it leaves his hands

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

People saying shazam is bad have no idea at all how to use him, thats the truth

Hey may need a FEW buffs

Faster startup on teleport
MB Bolt should give Shazam armor for the duration that it enters till it leaves his hands

the based abel, is a good as hell player, and is VERY VERY GOOD with shazam. yet, he still falls short because of shazams problems.
People are sleeping on what shazam needs
let the shazam mains speak for themselves..

 

[MagicMan357]

the based abel, is a good as hell player, and is VERY VERY GOOD with shazam. yet, he still falls short because of shazams problems.
People are sleeping on what shazam needs
let the shazam mains speak for themselves..

I am a shazam mainer sped, thats how i know how good he is. People are just dickriding lazy douches who put no effort at all into this brilliant game.

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

And to everyone saying that "oh no its too early to call out any buffs"
How so? some characters had problems in day one and they still remain, a month later.
the truth is, you guys don't wanna see other characters balance up to the game. Sinestro, flash, shazam, bane, ares, lex luthor, joker, frost, raven, harley, and catwoman are definitly characters that need some help regarldless, or ned to be re arranged and be put in the game a bit more properly. stop saying this month bullshit.
let the mains of each character speak for them selves.
I agree with the shazam mains, and with what tom brady is saying.

 

[DGOD PSYCHO]

I am a shazam mainer sped, thats how i know how good he is. People are just dickriding lazy douches who put no effort at all into this brilliant game.

oh yeah? you dick rode one earliar, cough foxy grampa? and immediately assumed im shit at the game and I have no idea what im talking about. Stop being a hypocrit, lets not get off topic though.
If you know how good he is, go place top 8 with shazam. And compare his tools to other characters.. He most of the time gets shitted on.

 

[RYX]

People saying shazam is bad have no idea at all how to use him, thats the truth

Hey may need a FEW buffs

Faster startup on teleport
MB Bolt should give Shazam armor for the duration that it enters till it leaves his hands

If a character needs buffs to compete then are they good?

 

[RYX]

And to everyone saying that "oh no its too early to call out any buffs"
How so? some characters had problems in day one and they still remain, a month later.
the truth is, you guys don't wanna see other characters balance up to the game. Sinestro, flash, shazam, bane, ares, lex luthor, joker, frost, raven, harley, and catwoman are definitly characters that need some help regarldless, or ned to be re arranged and be put in the game a bit more properly. stop saying this month bullshit.
let the mains of each character speak for them selves.
I agree with the shazam mains, and with what tom brady is saying.

Did you seriously just say Killer Frost and Raven need help? :16Bit

 

[MagicMan357]

If a character needs buffs to compete then are they good?

So because he may need maybe 2 buffs hes not? Im just saying because those moves would be much more usefull