Match-up Discussion Post-patch Match up List and Discussion

[YOMI DJT]

I have respect for you too bro. I need to play Reo's batman will he be at ufgt?

Look man, that may have come off harsh and i definitely have a lot of respect for you but something is wacky if you're out zoning batman with GL. Sounds to me more like you're out playing them at 3/4 screen and then abandon zoning and try to get in.

When I was playing REOs batman he was keeping me locked down with a constant stream of trait bats and batarangs. I was sometimes able to trade but most of the time he was avoiding my rockets and punishing me hard with trait bats or grappling hook. The best option is to try to get closer to him and walk him to the corner carefully.

Granted he's the only batman that has beat me soundly and maybe I need to run more matches with him, but batman can thrive at full screen and GL definitely has trouble against characters that do that well.

And you're killing me with the "GL has shitty wake ups" thing. Lift is top 5, maybe top 3 wake ups in the game.

maaaaaaan





First of all gtfo of here with this "locals only", I have played locals but its insulting to call project injustice a local; it was one of 2 regionals in the northeast where I got 3rd behind REO and Brady. I unfortunately was unable to attend on the edge 3 last week which is why I was absent from top 8.

And talking out of MY ass? Do I need to remind you of the post you made earlier today where apparently GL is bottom 5 because you can't rush down with him and have to play defensively. If anyone is talking out of their ass its you.

 

[THTB]

And talking out of MY ass? Do I need to remind you of the post you made earlier today where apparently GL is bottom 5 because you can't rush down with him and have to play defensively. If anyone is talking out of their ass its you.

This, pretty much.

GL =/= Johnny Cage.

 

[Deleted member 5032]

If anyone could provide some insight into the Green Lantern / Nightwing MU, I'd appreciate it. NW bodies Deathstroke pretty hard, so I'm looking for a secondary to cover the bad MU. From what I can tell, it seems like GL should be able to handle NW no problem, but I'm seeing everyone say it's 5/5. I understand NW's up-close game is dangerous, but how the hell does he get through Air Rockets, Lift, b1, b3, and Ground Rockets? What can he do when GL push-blocks his ass?

 

[YOMI DJT]

If anyone could provide some insight into the Green Lantern / Nightwing MU, I'd appreciate it. NW bodies Deathstroke pretty hard, so I'm looking for a secondary to cover the bad MU. From what I can tell, it seems like GL should be able to handle NW no problem, but I'm seeing everyone say it's 5/5. I understand NW's up-close game is dangerous, but how the hell does he get through Air Rockets, Lift, b1, b3, and Ground Rockets? What can he do when GL push-blocks his ass?

Most ppl put it as 5-5 but I agree that it is 6-4 GL. I can see why it could be 5-5 but I think NW has to put more effort into the fight to get in. GL can zone most the match to win this. GL footsies are dangerous vs nw. I just have to play it more. From my experience I feel 6-4.

 

[Rickyraws]

Who would you say you have the most trouble with in terms of consistency in winning? Like a character that doesn't necessarily shut down GL's tools (or does) but can be beat, just to less of a degree than others. I've heard Cyborg, but I think this only takes the far away game into consideration. Otherwise, I hear Raven. What about DD? Does MB Machine gun wreck him like Grundy or something? Cause being un liftable (trait) is kinda bad in theory...

 

[YOMI DJT]

Who would you say you have the most trouble with in terms of consistency in winning? Like a character that doesn't necessarily shut down GL's tools (or does) but can be beat, just to less of a degree than others. I've heard Cyborg, but I think this only takes the far away game into consideration. Otherwise, I hear Raven. What about DD? Does MB Machine gun wreck him like Grundy or something? Cause being un liftable (trait) is kinda bad in theory...

Doomsday is no problem for GL he has to get in of course. The gatling gun helps when he turns on the trait mow down. I'm still trying to learn all his mu's. Raven seems pretty even to me. Gl can trade with her I think. If he blocks her push he can get pretty close with his turbine. Cyborg does beat gl far away but that is it. I can see why cyborg would have the slight advantage. its possibly even.

 

[THTB]

Most ppl put it as 5-5 but I agree that it is 6-4 GL. I can see why it could be 5-5 but I think NW has to put more effort into the fight to get in. GL can zone most the match to win this. GL footsies are dangerous vs nw. I just have to play it more. From my experience I feel 6-4.

I agree with you on NW.

 

[Rickyraws]

No....no one's a bad MU for GL in your opinion? I use too many different characters to make any consistent conjecture...

 

[YOMI DJT]

Right now I feel GL does go pretty even with everybody but he does have problems vs Deathstroke on certain stages. Sinestro seems a little bad but not bad enough to call it 4-6. Even if he does have a few 4-6's, They are all manageable imo. He's just so balanced to me. I can go to a tournament and play all GL he is just that solid.

 

[G4S KT]

Most ppl put it as 5-5 but I agree that it is 6-4 GL. I can see why it could be 5-5 but I think NW has to put more effort into the fight to get in. GL can zone most the match to win this. GL footsies are dangerous vs nw. I just have to play it more. From my experience I feel 6-4.

NW does have a really hard time with GL zoning, especially air fireball since all of his grounded zoning tools are very low profile and easy to jump over. Not to mention b1 outranges all of his non-staff normals, so he basically has to traverse your death zone because he loses almost everywhere on screen except ranges 1 and 2.

What a smart Nightwing will do is look for a spot to anticipate an air fireball and use Flying Grayson to cross the screen and hit you out of the air to get in. Flying Grayson is safe on block but completely whiffs on crouch so you can still bait and punish it.

If he does get in, you kinda have to push block him which sucks since you need your meter for literally everything else.

 

[YOMI DJT]

NW does have a really hard time with GL zoning, especially air fireball since all of his grounded zoning tools are very low profile and easy to jump over. Not to mention b1 outranges all of his non-staff normals, so he basically has to traverse your death zone because he loses almost everywhere on screen except ranges 1 and 2.

What a smart Nightwing will do is look for a spot to anticipate an air fireball and use Flying Grayson to cross the screen and hit you out of the air to get in. Flying Grayson is safe on block but completely whiffs on crouch so you can still bait and punish it.

If he does get in, you kinda have to push block him which sucks since you need your meter for literally everything else.

This is oh so very true my fellow green lantern player. Keep NW and his little staff away from GL or it can get real ugly fast!!! aha

 

[Marvaz]

This, pretty much.

GL =/= Johnny Cage.

.... Dawg...... Stay based.

Raven is a hard matchup imo for gl. How am i supposed to approach this mu?

 

[Rickyraws]

.... Dawg...... Stay based.

Raven is a hard matchup imo for gl. How am i supposed to approach this mu?

As a Raven user, I can say that this MU is pretty much the epitome of 5-5.

Right now I feel GL does go pretty even with everybody but he does have problems vs Deathstroke on certain stages. Sinestro seems a little bad but not bad enough to call it 4-6. Even if he does have a few 4-6's, They are all manageable imo. He's just so balanced to me. I can go to a tournament and play all GL he is just that solid.

Thank you Denzell. *Sigh* unfortunately this is not the answer I was looking for. Let me let the cat out of the bag:
I am a spy.

I don't use GL.

Nor do I ever plan to.

I can beat GL's sure, but not to the consistency I can with any other character in the roster. I came here with the intent of acquiring anti GL technology under the guise of trying to improve MY GL.

Green Lantern is very solid, but sucks to fight against. Again, not that I can't beat him with 3 of my characters, but just not consistently. I hope Sinestro kills all of the Green Lantern Corps in the comics.

I will take my leave.

 

[Ca$hFlagg]

As a Raven user, I can say that this MU is pretty much the epitome of 5-5.



Thank you Denzell. *Sigh* unfortunately this is not the answer I was looking for. Let me let the cat out of the bag:
I am a spy.

I don't use GL.

Nor do I ever plan to.

I can beat GL's sure, but not to the consistency I can with any other character in the roster. I came here with the intent of acquiring anti GL technology under the guise of trying to improve MY GL.

Green Lantern is very solid, but sucks to fight against. Again, not that I can't beat him with 3 of my characters, but just not consistently. I hope Sinestro kills all of the Green Lantern Corps in the comics.

I will take my leave.

I hope you are learning a lot. Dunno if you need to be a spy..

Then again, I don't know how the KF forums would receive me asking for tips on how to beat her. The answer is to make a better guess after blocked slide. Gotta channel that inner YOLO.

 

[Crimson Panther]

As a Raven user, I can say that this MU is pretty much the epitome of 5-5.



Thank you Denzell. *Sigh* unfortunately this is not the answer I was looking for. Let me let the cat out of the bag:
I am a spy.

I don't use GL.

Nor do I ever plan to.

I can beat GL's sure, but not to the consistency I can with any other character in the roster. I came here with the intent of acquiring anti GL technology under the guise of trying to improve MY GL.

Green Lantern is very solid, but sucks to fight against. Again, not that I can't beat him with 3 of my characters, but just not consistently. I hope Sinestro kills all of the Green Lantern Corps in the comics.

I will take my leave.

Lol. Reguardless if you do play GL or not and just looking for anti GL tech, the better player will win. I'll answer any question anybody asks because I don't believe in hiding or keeping tech and strategies from the community.

With the right mind games, a good player can MAKE you fall for things you know how to deal with.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

A smart nightwing will just block the air rocket and then blast you the second you land. If you jump again, that's a free Flying Grayson.

I think the MU may very well end up being even once most NW's reach the level that GL's currently are. But, who knows.

 

[Rickyraws]

Thank you for the kind words, sirs. I would rather not pay the penalty for high treason, and so opt to continue to keep this civil. Maybe I need to play a couple of your Lanterns for experience. Again, I beat a lot of Lanterns, GOOD ones, but my main problem is the consistency. Against the same opponent, I have an idea of whether I'm going to win, come close, or try hard to win. Against a same opponent using Lantern, they can pull wins where I don't know what went wrong. Then I'd beat them the next, then who knows the outcome of the next etc. The consistency is the issue, but eh, maybe I'm just over thinking his character.


Anyway, I still hope Sinestro slaughters them all. Superman had the right idea in story mode when he attempted to break his arms, and I HATE this game's Superman. Gameplay wise and other wise.

 

[Crimson Panther]

Thank you for the kind words, sirs. I would rather not pay the penalty for high treason, and so opt to continue to keep this civil. Maybe I need to play a couple of your Lanterns for experience. Again, I beat a lot of Lanterns, GOOD ones, but my main problem is the consistency. Against the same opponent, I have an idea of whether I'm going to win, come close, or try hard to win. Against a same opponent using Lantern, they can pull wins where I don't know what went wrong. Then I'd beat them the next, then who knows the outcome of the next etc. The consistency is the issue, but eh, maybe I'm just over thinking his character.


Anyway, I still hope Sinestro slaughters them all. Superman had the right idea in story mode when he attempted to break his arms, and I HATE this game's Superman. Gameplay wise and other wise.

Are you on PSN? We'll do online practice mode.

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[Rickyraws]

Xbox ;_;

 

[Crimson Panther]

Xbox ;_;

Aw damn

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[Ashenar]

A lesser talked about match that lantern mains should look into with the coming possible balance patch is Green Lantern vs Lex Luthor. Mind you I had zero experience going into this match up vs Pig Of The Hut it was a learning process on the fly. Feel free to comment on things that I could improve on and also the match up it's self. Enjoy

 

[CrimsonShadow]

So I just noticed that a rocket trade with bats will end batman's trait pressure. Something to consider for guys who like to use raw trait bats to start pressure and get in.

I use trades in a lot of situations with GL; they work against zap spam, harley spam, etc. In several caes your opponent ends up with more hitstun than you do, which is pretty useful.

 

[THTB]

I do that a lot vs Batman players that come in.

 

[Ashenar]

^Ditto

 

[Crimson Panther]

So I just noticed that a rocket trade with bats will end batman's trait pressure. Something to consider for guys who like to use raw trait bats to start pressure and get in.

I use trades in a lot of situations with GL; they work against zap spam, harley spam, etc. In several caes your opponent ends up with more hitstun than you do, which is pretty useful.

Not to mention OR is a nice 8% which can trade positively against projectile of other characters like HQ (4% on hit). As well as the correctly timed OR MB trade that lets you get at least a dash or two in to close ground to begin pressure or lift range footsies.

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