Match-up Discussion Nightwing Matchup Discussion

[Lulzlou]

As a day 1 nightwing main that was staff heavy for awhile this is how I feel about all the mu's so far. I'm getting used to Escrima Stance now so things will change as the game evolves and I level up.

Spoiler

If I just say Advantage it means that I feel NW has it. This is a quick write up of how I feel the match ups are.

Aquaman - Even. I'm sure most of you will say NW wins but until you fight Tom Brady, you have no idea lol
Ares - Advantage
Bane - Advantage
Batman - Feels like an up hill battle. NW struggles a lot.
Black Adam - NW definitely Struggles. The match up feels a lot better with Escrima Stance so it doesn't feel as bad as before
Catwoman - Advantage. Could eventually be even
Cyborg - Without the Block Infinite I don't think he struggles that much.
DeathStroke - Its either even or deathstroke has the advantage slightly.
DoomsDay - Advantage
Flash - Advantage
Green Arrow - Don't have enough exp but it does feel like NW has the advantage
Green Lantern - Need more experience but it definitely feels like NW struggles
Harley Quinn - Advantage
Joker - Advantage
Killer Frost - Questionable. I don't feel like its terrible. It seems like she has the slight advantage but there isn't anything big besides her damage output
Lex - Advantage
Raven - Need more experience
Shazam - Advantage
Sinestro - Big advantage (only mu I feel that way right now)
Solomon Grundy - For awhile I thought Staff completely fucks up Grundy. It seems like an advantage but I haven't fought the highest level of grundys so I wouldn't know for sure.
Superman - NW Struggles big time
Wonder Woman - Need more experience

 

[AssassiN]

As a day 1 nightwing main that was staff heavy for awhile this is how I feel about all the mu's so far. I'm getting used to Escrima Stance now so things will change as the game evolves and I level up.

Spoiler

If I just say Advantage it means that I feel NW has it. This is a quick write up of how I feel the match ups are.

Aquaman - Even. I'm sure most of you will say NW wins but until you fight Tom Brady, you have no idea lol
Ares - Advantage
Bane - Advantage
Batman - Feels like an up hill battle. NW struggles a lot.
Black Adam - NW definitely Struggles. The match up feels a lot better with Escrima Stance so it doesn't feel as bad as before
Catwoman - Advantage. Could eventually be even
Cyborg - Without the Block Infinite I don't think he struggles that much.
DeathStroke - Its either even or deathstroke has the advantage slightly.
DoomsDay - Advantage
Flash - Advantage
Green Arrow - Don't have enough exp but it does feel like NW has the advantage
Green Lantern - Need more experience but it definitely feels like NW struggles
Harley Quinn - Advantage
Joker - Advantage
Killer Frost - Questionable. I don't feel like its terrible. It seems like she has the slight advantage but there isn't anything big besides her damage output
Lex - Advantage
Raven - Need more experience
Shazam - Advantage
Sinestro - Big advantage (only mu I feel that way right now)
Solomon Grundy - For awhile I though Staff completely fucks up Grundy. It seems like an advantage but I haven't fought the highest level of grundys so I wouldn't know for sure.
Superman - NW Struggles big time
Wonder Woman - Need more experience

I agree for the most part, the part that I know the MU off .
Although I feel Green Lantern will become an even MU.
I need more experience against Sinestro, but I do not feel that NW has a big advantage over him.

 

[Lulzlou]

I agree for the most part, the part that I know the MU off .
Although I feel Green Lantern will become an even MU.
I need more experience against Sinestro, but I do not feel that NW has a big advantage over him.

So far it feels like NW can counter zone the shit out of him from full screen

His ground sparks goes under his projectiles. if he does the overhead into another overhead you can throw a ground spark and still block in time.

Who knows, I could be wrong lol

 

[AssassiN]

So far it feels like NW can counter zone the shit out of him from full screen

His ground sparks goes under his projectiles. if he does the overhead into another overhead you can throw a ground spark and still block in time.

Who knows, I could be wrong lol

What about his Shackles?

 

[Lulzlou]

What about his Shackles?

Ground blast beats out shackles if sinestro does any projectiles and follows up with shackles on block. MB fear blast gives him enough advantage to beat it out though

On block ground spark causes a trade in sinestros favor.

 

[Kahjah]

Hey

Yea for sure

Thanks for the tech, the issue I'm finding isn't really the mid screen gun shot issue, it's getting close when they are full screen. Any tips for that?

 

[ruff321]

Seems like I can take on anyone except a zoning superman. God I gotta remember to switch to escrima for dashing in.

 

[Saitsu]

I just played about 50 matches straight against Grundy. Not having that MB Staff Spin on standby hurts more than I thought it would.

 

[AK partyeagle]

As a day 1 nightwing main that was staff heavy for awhile this is how I feel about all the mu's so far. I'm getting used to Escrima Stance now so things will change as the game evolves and I level up.

Spoiler

If I just say Advantage it means that I feel NW has it. This is a quick write up of how I feel the match ups are.

Aquaman - Even. I'm sure most of you will say NW wins but until you fight Tom Brady, you have no idea lol
Ares - Advantage
Bane - Advantage
Batman - Feels like an up hill battle. NW struggles a lot.
Black Adam - NW definitely Struggles. The match up feels a lot better with Escrima Stance so it doesn't feel as bad as before
Catwoman - Advantage. Could eventually be even
Cyborg - Without the Block Infinite I don't think he struggles that much.
DeathStroke - Its either even or deathstroke has the advantage slightly.
DoomsDay - Advantage
Flash - Advantage
Green Arrow - Don't have enough exp but it does feel like NW has the advantage
Green Lantern - Need more experience but it definitely feels like NW struggles
Harley Quinn - Advantage
Joker - Advantage
Killer Frost - Questionable. I don't feel like its terrible. It seems like she has the slight advantage but there isn't anything big besides her damage output
Lex - Advantage
Raven - Need more experience
Shazam - Advantage
Sinestro - Big advantage (only mu I feel that way right now)
Solomon Grundy - For awhile I thought Staff completely fucks up Grundy. It seems like an advantage but I haven't fought the highest level of grundys so I wouldn't know for sure.
Superman - NW Struggles big time
Wonder Woman - Need more experience

What is it that makes you feel aquaman isn't in our favor, or in other words. What's tom doing that other aquamen arnt?

 

[nymous]

So, something strange happened the other day when I was playing versus Killer Frost. I MB NW's b3 to give it a hit of armor, but KF used her parry to negate it. I tried to attack again after but she used her d1. The strange thing is that her d1 hit me, but NW still had that hit of armor from the MB b3 and it didn't interrupt my attack (but she blocked it still DX). Strange find. Anyone else come across this?

Anywas, I was wondering what you all thought of the Killer Frost MU, the Doomsday MU, and the Raven MU. For KF, she can pretty much throw slide out without much risk. The only way I can stop her from absolutely abusing it is using d1 in staff after blocking it. Is it me or is her backdash really good? I feel like she can just dackdash to get away and then just slide whenever she wants after. Advice?

Vs. Raven- Sigh, this is incredibly tedious imo. Punishing every soul crush and singularity is pretty much mandatory. At full screen you can space her out when she isn't in demon mode with db2 in escrima, but she will eventually get in her optimal range and jumping will often lead to death.

Vs. Doomsday- staff db3 helps against his trait, but other than that I don't really know what to do here.

Also, what are the best long range punishment options for staff and escrima?

 

[AssassiN]

Anywas, I was wondering what you all thought of the Killer Frost MU, the Doomsday MU, and the Raven MU. For KF, she can pretty much throw slide out without much risk. The only way I can stop her from absolutely abusing it is using d1 in staff after blocking it. Is it me or is her backdash really good? I feel like she can just dackdash to get away and then just slide whenever she wants after. Advice?

Against KF, you read her slide and counter it with NJ or jumping backwards(depends on how close she is). You'll be able to full punish it.
D1 hits KF out of her slide as well on a good read.

 

[Adam Todd]

So, something strange happened the other day when I was playing versus Killer Frost. I MB NW's b3 to give it a hit of armor, but KF used her parry to negate it. I tried to attack again after but she used her d1. The strange thing is that her d1 hit me, but NW still had that hit of armor from the MB b3 and it didn't interrupt my attack (but she blocked it still DX). Strange find. Anyone else come across this?

Anywas, I was wondering what you all thought of the Killer Frost MU, the Doomsday MU, and the Raven MU. For KF, she can pretty much throw slide out without much risk. The only way I can stop her from absolutely abusing it is using d1 in staff after blocking it. Is it me or is her backdash really good? I feel like she can just dackdash to get away and then just slide whenever she wants after. Advice?

Vs. Raven- Sigh, this is incredibly tedious imo. Punishing every soul crush and singularity is pretty much mandatory. At full screen you can space her out when she isn't in demon mode with db2 in escrima, but she will eventually get in her optimal range and jumping will often lead to death.

Vs. Doomsday- staff db3 helps against his trait, but other than that I don't really know what to do here.

Also, what are the best long range punishment options for staff and escrima?

I've only had experience against Raven and I hate that character. lol You have to play super safe, bait the wake up grab and stay on her. I know you're suppose to play safe period, but just dashing forward can cause you to get grabbed. The only tip I can given is once you get in on her, stay the hell in on her. She doesn't have a lot of good close range tools, just be cautious of the wake up grab and F.3/B.3 MB. Raven wants a mid-long range fight. I forgot the inputs, but I know she has a good string which is plus on block and be careful of that too.

 

[raisedbyfinches]

I guess this goes here, what stages do you like against what characters?

I know only to completely avoid Arkham Asylum when fighting Bane.
Is there a 'best' stage for Nightwing in all matches?

 

[Saitsu]

I guess this goes here, what stages do you like against what characters?

I know only to completely avoid Arkham Asylum when fighting Bane.
Is there a 'best' stage for Nightwing in all matches?

I don't believe there is. Different stages are good for him depending on the matchup.

 

[raisedbyfinches]

I don't believe there is. Different stages are good for him depending on the matchup.

Any recommendations? Should this be added in to the character description?
ATM I'm allowing whatever so would like to try to make it slightly better for me if fate decides so.

 

[AssassiN]

I prefer Atlantis, helps against zoning + not too many interactibles to use.
Def not ones out of his reach when in Staff mode.

This reminds me, as you guys know you can cancel your stance change into an interactible. However in Atlantis this is not possible with the tablet on the right, the snowglobe works though.

 

[Red Reaper]

I prefer Atlantis, helps against zoning + not too many interactibles to use.
Def not ones out of his reach when in Staff mode.

This reminds me, as you guys know you can cancel your stance change into an interactible. However in Atlantis this is not possible with the tablet on the right, the snowglobe works though.

Kool.. Never tried that. lol.

PS: I think Atlantis is his better stage too.

 

[Saitsu]

Atlantis is indeed one of his better stages. Have to be careful about using it though because in the matchups where you consistently get your corner pressure, Atlantis has those MB interactibles in the corner that will blast you away.

 

[Red Reaper]

Atlantis is indeed one of his better stages. Have to be careful about using it though because in the matchups where you consistently get your corner pressure, Atlantis has those MB interactibles in the corner that will blast you away.

I don't mind the MB interractables.. You kan MB through it and punish it.

 

[Saitsu]

I don't mind the MB interractables.. You kan MB through it and punish it.

Yeah but you have to predict your opponent doing it, or burn 2 meters on reaction to cancel whatever else you committed to.

 

[Red Reaper]

Yeah but you have to predict your opponent doing it, or burn 2 meters on reaction to cancel whatever else you committed to.

You kan do it on reaction to his MB...

 

[SilverKeyMan]

Is there anyway to avoid Grundy's super move? I can't seem to avoid him fast enough...

 

[Saitsu]

You kan do it on reaction to his MB...

I just said you can but that either involves burning two meters if you were in the middle of a string, or just baiting it out, which is no different than any other reversal.

Is there anyway to avoid Grundy's super move? I can't seem to avoid him fast enough...

I've done it twice now by what seems like complete luck. Just backdash and Wing Ding your way to safety. If you're close to the corner though with no way out, you're boned.

 

[Red Reaper]

I just said you can but that either involves burning two meters if you were in the middle of a string, or just baiting it out, which is no different than any other reversal.


I've done it twice now by what seems like complete luck. Just backdash and Wing Ding your way to safety. If you're close to the corner though with no way out, you're boned.

Well, if you get hit by it while you're doing a string, they used a bar for that damage and you still hurt them so I don't find it that bad. The reward you get for it for punishing it on the other hand is great.. A full korner kombo of your choice...

 

[Red Reaper]

Is there anyway to avoid Grundy's super move? I can't seem to avoid him fast enough...

Time your backdash.. If you're in the korner you're forced to guess on whether he's going to jump or not.