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Strategy Ares' reset is NOT guaranteed: Info on how to beat it inside!

haketh

haketh

Noob
WoundCowboy said:
Right... but that doesn't make this okay.
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If this didn't apply to Sinestro would you give a shit? Be honest, cuz right now you're looking mad scrubby because it only affects your character badly. If anything instead of furthering the handicapping of a character hope Sinestro gets more viable wakeup options, because as it is I expect to see you bitching like this when you deal with Grundy, Supes, Shazam,Green Arrow, KF, Bats, and Harley. Ya know the characters with hella good oki that Sinestro will continue too remain free to because he gets mauled on wakeup due to AS being a terrible wakeup option.

Have you never played any Non NRS FGs? Never seen characters with much more brutal oki setups and followups? God playing against Eddie in GG would make your head explode.
 
haketh

haketh

Noob
GGA 16 Bit said:
It's being fixed because it was not the designer's intent. Paulo explained that in this forum. It's not because TYM complained or to Kano Ares players.
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That's the lamest excuse, tons of things aren't designer intent that make the game better and characters more interesting, don't just accept that bullshit.
 
16 Bit

16 Bit

Mash d+1~Cat Claws
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NetherRealm Studios
haketh said:
That's the lamest excuse, tons of things aren't designer intent that make the game better and characters more interesting, don't just accept that bullshit.
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It's not an "excuse". That is the reason. You can agree or disagree but it is not true that it's being removed because TYM complained or whatever other conspiracy.
 
haketh

haketh

Noob
GGA 16 Bit said:
It's not an "excuse". That is the reason. You can agree or disagree but it is not true that it's being removed because TYM complained or whatever other conspiracy.
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The uninformed complaining can end up giving them more reasont o remove things that they didn't intend to work out.
 
RYX

RYX

BIG PUSHER
Great, the one thing I can do with Ares is gone. ;_;

Juggs how soon can I downplay and make a Buffs for Ares thread(Bane is actually top 5 luls)
 
Crathen

Crathen

Death is my business
The real problem here isn't the reset itself , many ares players would give it away IF this was replaced with better tools for his neutral game , this debate about him "needing" this 50/50 is because his tools are not good enough to have a solid game and to be at least competitive vs some really bad MU ( look at superman ) he really needs this strong setup.

Furthering weakening this tool (b23 into MB GS ) will actually nerf him in the long run.

I doubt ANY Ares player wouldn't accept this fix if he's buffed rightly enough with better forward / back dash , less startup frames on teleport ( no projectile invincibility , would break some MU ) , d4 launching higher when hits a standing opponent , faster b23+f23 and 112d4 in the corner not being so strict to connect ( d4 whiffs at certain heights and you're open for a punish ) and a little more cancel advantage after certain strings when cancelled into trait , then he'll be able to play a solid game and not rely on the reset for damage when he gets a combo.

Ares has a fantastic aggressive playstyle concept but has problems because his tools aren't properly calibrated.
 
SLy

SLy

Noob
Crathen said:
The real problem here isn't the reset itself , many ares players would give it away IF this was replaced with better tools for his neutral game , this debate about him "needing" this 50/50 is because his tools are not good enough to have a solid game and to be at least competitive vs some really bad MU ( look at superman ) he really needs this strong setup.

Furthering weakening this tool (b23 into MB GS ) will actually nerf him in the long run.

I doubt ANY Ares player wouldn't accept this fix if he's buffed rightly enough with better forward / back dash , less startup frames on teleport ( no projectile invincibility , would break some MU ) , d4 launching higher when hits a standing opponent , faster b23+f23 and 112d4 in the corner not being so strict to connect ( d4 whiffs at certain heights and you're open for a punish ) and a little more cancel advantage after certain strings when cancelled into trait , then he'll be able to play a solid game and not rely on the reset for damage when he gets a combo.

Ares has a fantastic aggressive playstyle concept but has problems because his tools aren't properly calibrated.
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Nailed it 100%
 
cR WoundCowboy

cR WoundCowboy

WoundCowbae <3
haketh said:
If this didn't apply to Sinestro would you give a shit? Be honest, cuz right now you're looking mad scrubby because it only affects your character badly. If anything instead of furthering the handicapping of a character hope Sinestro gets more viable wakeup options, because as it is I expect to see you bitching like this when you deal with Grundy, Supes, Shazam,Green Arrow, KF, Bats, and Harley. Ya know the characters with hella good oki that Sinestro will continue too remain free to because he gets mauled on wakeup due to AS being a terrible wakeup option.

Have you never played any Non NRS FGs? Never seen characters with much more brutal oki setups and followups? God playing against Eddie in GG would make your head explode.
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Again, I DONT GIVE A SHIT if worse things exist in other fighting games, we are talking about this game. And lol at me being scrubby when you are the one bitching about the designers taking out something they DID NOT intend to be in the game, And all but a couple of those chacters are manageable on wakeup.
 
John Grizzly

John Grizzly

The axe that clears the forest
Since I began playing Ares, people have been escaping this move online. That list is great for the whiners though, man. Either way....I'm bummed they're removing it. I'm still going to play Ares, but it was a nice tool to have. Hopefully they "nerf" Ares' reset like NRS "nerfed" Cyrax's. Haha.
 
GodsLonelyman

GodsLonelyman

Noob
Nice post Juggs, glad you are posting this so people can see it is escapble. There another setup I like to use off of his 223 string. When you hit someone with 223 they can't techroll so you do a 223-GodsmackMB. The only way they can escape is with a well timed backdash or an invincible wakeup attack, otherwise they eat the godsmack into combo. It's a shame the 50/50 is getting nerfed.
 
haketh

haketh

Noob
WoundCowboy said:
Again, I DONT GIVE A SHIT if worse things exist in other fighting games, we are talking about this game. And lol at me being scrubby when you are the one bitching about the designers taking out something they DID NOT intend to be in the game, And all but a couple of those chacters are manageable on wakeup.
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Not even bitching, just dissapointed.
 
SLy

SLy

Noob
Ares Unblockable setup being nerfed is going to end up like when Jades U3 was nerfed..

Its going to force players to use other good setups that aren't being paid enough attention to due to the fact that the B21 setup is soo good. That's why im not really that upset about the fix. The B21 setup is sort of putting a lot of people at a stand still in exploring more.
 
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