Stop overrating MK9's Balance, Injustice is better

[Zoidberg747]

I play SCV at high levels and It is 2000 times more balanced than Injustice actually....just saying.

This children, is called bullshitting

 

[Asodimazze]

This children, is called bullshitting

Interesting....why?

 

[Zoidberg747]

Interesting....why?

Well I played at tournaments as well for SCV but I had to quit. To be fair I played Leixia, who was bottom five for sure. She did fine until she got to top tiers, and then she got raped(I quit after having to play 1823837 mitsurugis, that was at least 8-2).

As far as other characters went, Viola had infinites and TOD combos, Mitsurugi had insanely good tools, Alpha pat had insane tools, etc.

Although I will say, it was more balanced than MK9. Half the cast in SCV was viable.

 

[Asodimazze]

Well I played at tournaments as well for SCV but I had to quit. To be fair I played Leixia, who was bottom five for sure. She did fine until she got to top tiers, and then she got raped(I quit after having to play 1823837 mitsurugis, that was at least 8-2).

As far as other characters went, Viola had infinites and TOD combos, Mitsurugi had insanely good tools, Alpha pat had insane tools, etc.

Although I will say, it was more balanced than MK9. Half the cast in SCV was viable.

We are going ot but....

I play in tournaments too and don't think Leixia is as bad as you say.
Top europeans like Hyrul and Kalas still main her with good results, and the mu vs mitsu doesn't look 8-2 to me.
With Viola infinity banned the game is balanced, Alpha Mitsu Viola and Cerv are top but everybody else is still totally viable (at least, that's what I think, I main Astaroth).
Wgc2k13 top3 was Tira, Maxi, Asta

Injustice and Mk balance is nowhere close to this, but maybe it's because of the 2d mechanics.

 

[Rampage254]

Yoooo, this thread

 

[haketh]

Well I played at tournaments as well for SCV but I had to quit. To be fair I played Leixia, who was bottom five for sure. She did fine until she got to top tiers, and then she got raped(I quit after having to play 1823837 mitsurugis, that was at least 8-2).

As far as other characters went, Viola had infinites and TOD combos, Mitsurugi had insanely good tools, Alpha pat had insane tools, etc.

Although I will say, it was more balanced than MK9. Half the cast in SCV was viable.

More than half the cast is viable in SCV, only character I wouldn't say is viable is Raph. Lexia has pretty good results for a mid tier character.

 

[Zoidberg747]

We are going ot but....

I play in tournaments too and don't think Leixia is as bad as you say.
Top europeans like Hyrul and Kalas still main her with good results, and the mu vs mitsu doesn't look 8-2 to me.
With Viola infinity banned the game is balanced, Alpha Mitsu Viola and Cerv are top but everybody else is still totally viable (at least, that's what I think, I main Astaroth).
Wgc2k13 top3 was Tira, Maxi, Asta

Injustice and Mk balance is nowhere close to this, but maybe it's because of the 2d mechanics.

Fair enough, I really dont remember as much about it. You could be right.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

Well I played at tournaments as well for SCV but I had to quit. To be fair I played Leixia, who was bottom five for sure. She did fine until she got to top tiers, and then she got raped(I quit after having to play 1823837 mitsurugis, that was at least 8-2).

As far as other characters went, Viola had infinites and TOD combos, Mitsurugi had insanely good tools, Alpha pat had insane tools, etc.

Although I will say, it was more balanced than MK9. Half the cast in SCV was viable.

what is your definition of viable? bcuz if viable just means can top 8, then mk9 has plenty who can and have got top 8s in tournies.

 

[Zoidberg747]

what is your definition of viable? bcuz if viable just means can top 8, then mk9 has plenty who can and have got top 8s in tournies.

Characters who can make top 4 BY THEMSELVES. Or top 8, I am pretty sure there were less than half the cast who did that regularly.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

Characters who can make top 4 BY THEMSELVES. Or top 8, I am pretty sure there were less than half the cast who did that regularly.

well with counterpicks being an issue, it's not easy for most chars in "ANY" fighting game to go solo and get top 8. But you can't deny that many chars have seen top 8 in mk/ 100 percent can't argue that scv has low tiers/high tiers, meaning it doesn't even matter if it is more balanced than a game, it still isn't balanced.

 

[Zoidberg747]

well with counterpicks being an issue, it's not easy for most chars in "ANY" fighting game to go solo and get top 8. But you can't deny that many chars have seen top 8 in mk/ 100 percent can't argue that scv has low tiers/high tiers, meaning it doesn't even matter if it is more balanced than a game, it still isn't balanced.

Problem is you get people saying Stryker is viable because Maxter won a tournament using him for one match. When really, he just won one match.

And also SCV isnt nearly as balanced as Virtua Fighter or Tekken. Those two are not 100% balanced but much closer than other games.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

Problem is you get people saying Stryker is viable because Maxter won a tournament using him for one match. When really, he just won one match.

And also SCV isnt nearly as balanced as Virtua Fighter or Tekken. Those two are not 100% balanced but much closer than other games.

I dnt see any fg to being close to balanced, bcuz everytime big tournaments come up like evo, you barely see(if not at all), a low tier char getting top 8 at evo for a game. Mid tier chars have a decent chance, but usually it is top tier chars. Tekken and VF have balance issues as well, if I played them, i'd be able to articulate on that a lot better.

 

[Issen]

If I may, given my relatively limited experience with both MK9 and Injustice, I think it's a fair assessment that Injustice is more 'balanced' than the latter, but it's more balanced for the same reason that KOF XIII is 'balanced'. Injustice is more 'balanced' than MK9 because the former simply has more universal mechanics than the latter. Everyone in Injustice has access to tools like b_f+3 MB and bounce cancels. Each character is different, sure, but they all have access to universal tools which makes the game slightly more balanced. Of course, cast-wise, it still seems to early to judge exactly who is the best of the best, though that's not to say we can't make educated guesses about it.
Nevertheless, I think that the whole MK9 vs Injustice argument on just about any level is pointless. Injustice isn't a sequel to MK9, so no one really needs to be speaking about it as such. That's just my opinion, though.

 

[DJ L Toro]

Agreed. Though it's a bit hypocritical to discuss logical fallacies and immediately follow it with ad hominem (calling people inept or retards).

I never said that anyone's arguments were wrong because most people here are inept/retarded. That would be an ad hom. My claim that most people on here are retarded is relative to the value in arguing such points because if the goal is to establish consensus of what is more or less balanced, and everyone accepts logical fallacies, then I am fighting a losing battle.
in other words, you're not going to beat an idiot in an argument if the judge is an idiot who thinks the other idiot is funny.

Characters who can make top 4 BY THEMSELVES. Or top 8, I am pretty sure there were less than half the cast who did that regularly.

actually, i listed it out in an earlier post: In the last year alone 19/31 characters have been in top 8 at a major in the united states. Oh snap i forgot MIT played styker and JR played rain at evo, make that 21/31. would be one more if Blackbryan had won 1 or 2 more matches at WB

 

[DMAN3431]

Not gonna lie. Injustice is more balanced, but MK is just a better game. More fun, but reallllllllly broken. I enjoy Injustice a lot too. Just enjoy MK more. Injustice also has a better online netcode than MK. I stopped playing MK because the online was bad and not a lot of people to play with in person. Thankfully Injustice has better online and i will be playing it for a really long time.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

I dnt see any fg to being close to balanced, bcuz everytime big tournaments come up like evo, you barely see(if not at all), a low tier char getting top 8 at evo for a game. Mid tier chars have a decent chance, but usually it is top tier chars. Tekken and VF have balance issues as well, if I played them, i'd be able to articulate on that a lot better.

Tekken Tag Tournament 2.

I play 2 low tier characters, and can hold my own against players like Ryan Hart and Sakishiro, who both play top of the top tier. (When I'm actually practicing the game ofcourse)

There isn't anything I'd call 'unbalanced' in Tekken, because everything has a consequence, characters have pretty much same speed moves and the game is on a 3D field emphasizing movement as the core skill.

You don't see players hopping characters in an attempt to 'counterpick' on that game. But, how often did you see it in MK tournaments? EVERY SINGLE TIME. So far that doesn't seem like it has to be done on Injustice.

 

[xKhaoTik]

Characters who can make top 4 BY THEMSELVES. Or top 8, I am pretty sure there were less than half the cast who did that regularly.

I'm pretty sure more than half the cast made top 8 by themselves...

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

Tekken Tag Tournament 2.

I play 2 low tier characters, and can hold my own against players like Ryan Hart and Sakishiro, who both play top of the top tier. (When I'm actually practicing the game ofcourse)

There isn't anything I'd call 'unbalanced' in Tekken, because everything has a consequence, characters have pretty much same speed moves and the game is on a 3D field emphasizing movement as the core skill.

You don't see players hopping characters in an attempt to 'counterpick' on that game. But, how often did you see it in MK tournaments? EVERY SINGLE TIME. So far that doesn't seem like it has to be done on Injustice.

I've seen a fair number of players switch to counterpick or because they got bodied in the first fight of a set in TTT2. Second thing, I was able to hang with/beat many top players with scorpion, so I dnt want to hear anything about low tiers having no chance in mk, bcuz I got myself into top 8 at evo by using scorpion. And no fighting game is balanced, dnt care how balanced it may seem, as long as there are top and low tiers, a fg can't be balanced. And who cares if ppl counterpick, happens in all the fighting games, not just limited to mk, that'd be a lie.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

Tekken Tag Tournament 2.

I play 2 low tier characters, and can hold my own against players like Ryan Hart and Sakishiro, who both play top of the top tier. (When I'm actually practicing the game ofcourse)

There isn't anything I'd call 'unbalanced' in Tekken, because everything has a consequence, characters have pretty much same speed moves and the game is on a 3D field emphasizing movement as the core skill.

You don't see players hopping characters in an attempt to 'counterpick' on that game. But, how often did you see it in MK tournaments? EVERY SINGLE TIME. So far that doesn't seem like it has to be done on Injustice.

pls dnt try to make TTT2 seem so much better and more balanced than mk, you'd be lying. There are ass chars in that game just like in mk, plain and simple.

 

[xKhaoTik]

pls dnt try to make TTT2 seem so much better and more balanced than mk, you'd be lying. There are ass chars in that game just like in mk, plain and simple.

Shots fired towards the bears!?! I'd kick your ass with them fool!!!

Lol but seriously tho, the ass characters in tekken are better than the ass characters in MK by far.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

Shots fired towards the bears!?! I'd kick your ass with them fool!!!

Lol but seriously tho, the ass characters in tekken are better than the ass characters in MK by far.

i'm not too sure about that, if I played tekken, then i'd really know, can't just take it from what some1 says, i'd have to experience it. Also, as trash as sheeva/raka/cyber sub are and etc., those chars have seen some top 16s and top 8s......, so I dnt think it is even close to valid to say TTT2 low tier chars more viable, bcuz like I just said, I have almost beat/beat top players with scorpion, and we all know he is trash haha.

 

[haketh]

You're high as fuck if you don't think theirs counterpicking in TTT2 or alot of people don't run to Mishimas and Lars.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

You're high as fuck if you don't think theirs counterpicking in TTT2 or alot of people don't run to Mishimas and Lars.

preach haha, every game has counterpicking involved, that's just how fighting games are nowadays, not many will just play one character.

 

[haketh]

Counterpicking is an interesting thing to me, if all games were matches that were nothing but 5-5s and like two 6-4s shit would be boring. I get hype seeing a dude like Infiltration counterpick strong Sim's with Hakan or Guiles with Gouken, seeing dudes like that NY T. Hawk player fight hsi way through Juri's and Blanka's ETC

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

and i'm going to keep it completely real, IGAU is going great right now: great entrants numbers, getting lots of viewers on streams, and many are playing it. Hopefully, the game stays in a way where the top 8s are diverse, that'd help the game for sure. As bad as ppl say mk's balance was, dnt care about balance anyways, at least the top 8s were diverse, even if only a few one a lot of majors, the top8s always had multiple characters.