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Stop overrating MK9's Balance, Injustice is better

Which game do you think is more balanced?


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DJ L Toro

Champion
It's unfortunate because your BS psychology facts you read online are easy to blow up.

This conversation is over, don't let me catch you calling people retards or stupid when they're having a polite conversation with you.
i'm not recounting factoids or anything, i'm saying what's happening. if you can give me a reason why what i have said is incorrect, then i'll concede this point, but as it is you're simply positing your authority (and not particularly well, since most students dont actually learn because they are only in school for a piece of paper... but that's a different pedagogical criticism for a different day) without making an argument for why what i said does not apply.

also, what'll you do about it? ban me? by all means, abuse your mod "authority" because you dont like me. go ahead.
 

Vagrant

Champion
i'm not recounting factoids or anything, i'm saying what's happening. if you can give me a reason why what i have said is incorrect, then i'll concede this point, but as it is you're simply positing your authority (and not particularly well, since most students dont actually learn because they are only in school for a piece of paper... but that's a different pedagogical criticism for a different day) without making an argument for why what i said does not apply.

also, what'll you do about it? ban me? by all means, abuse your mod "authority" because you dont like me. go ahead.
Just reading this man...

I like having Toro on the forums.

Don't get me wrong there are plenty of times where i disagree with what you write.

but if nothing else just for the fact that I get to log on and read shit like this....

Who WRITES shit like this?

Toro does...

and Toro will not hesitate to say the first thing on toro's mind in the weirdest "toroesque" way possible.

I can applaud you for that Toro...
 

RWDY Nori

MK is kinda dope
Both these things are myths. Often repeated myths but still.

First off MvC2 and 3rd Strike are horribly unbalanced games that have been popular a long time. This is true. That doesn't mean that's what people want. Both were released at the tail end of the fighting game 90s and they were the only viable games during the 10 year drought until SFIV. Don't think people love having to choose between Chun and Yun or sticking to one of four characters in MvC2.

Second MvC2 worked by accident. There's a lot of great comments from the estimable Mike Z on the issue, but MvC2 basically worked out because in the god tier you still have all the basic playstyles represented. You have Zoning (Cable), Hard Rushdown (Magneto), Soft Rushdown/Hit and Run (Storm) and Spacing/Heavy play (Sentinel). That was a happy accident and allowed for players who wanted to play a particular type of game to still play it even when they couldn't play the character they most liked.

Second I think even if you could work out the sales over time, I believe SFIV outsold both and that's a game that has pretty good balance. In fact the times when people have enjoyed it the most and the tournament scene has been most healthy is when the game was at its most balanced with SSFIV and AE2012. In fact people are happy the game is getting yet another balance pass.

As for the Justin thing that's completely wrong. I could trawl through his twitter, but he was an early defender of leaving Sentinel as is, and produced a ton of videos showing both Sentinel's weaknesses and Wolverine's strengths. In fact he was one of the first people to declare that Wolverine was tip top tier and not mid as a lot of early players thought.

The only thing he didn't predict correctly was the tier shift caused by the DHC Glitch, but seeing as how that was a glitch that really did nothing except make it extraordinarily simple to kill people with one bar (even by Marvel standards) I don't see how it was a positive.

Check the date on this if you don't believe me:

http://torontotoptiers.com/marvel-vs-capcom/frame-advantage-in-the-lab-with-justin-wong/



Finally if you love unbalanced games, good for you. I can see you play Superman and "Bane." (Wink Wink) But personally I don't like losing my matches at the character select. I can live with some nasty matchups but suggesting that a game is better if the top tier invalidates the bulk of the cast seems a bit silly.

Plus isn't it a waste to have all those other characters on the select screen? It coulda been $15 if you only got Black Adam, Superman, and Aquaman. (Assuming the going rate of $5 a character.)
interesting. You make quite a lot of assumptions but I'm here to always help. I play superman and bane yes. Can you please show me where I said I liked unbalanced games? I said they make the most money cause they do. Nice attempt at attacking me cause I also play superman but that doesn't mean you can put words in my mouth either.

now only 3 chars are viable? For being a smart guy that is an Incredibly stupid thing to say. I guess batman Grundy nightwing doomsday death stroke cyborg are not viable?

And jwong said sent was broken when the game came out and trashed it for weeks. It's well documented

I don't know how old you are, but the older days had a different mindset. People worked much harder to find answers to beat chars. Now people demand a patch cause their favorite char isn't the best. And people did not play mvc2 and 3s cause there was nothing else. They played the games cause they were ahead of its time and were great games, period

Sfiv being balanced is your opinion but I don't think the overall community will agree. It's dominated by a few chars
 

DJ L Toro

Champion

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
The matter at hand - yes, Injustice could well statistically end up more balanced than MK9.

The reality - even if it is, it WILL still eventually go down in history as infinitely more imbalanced than MK9.

Because Pig of all people, was seemingly the only person on these forums who was able to interpret the following damning philosophy in a thread I made concerning balance a little over 6 months ago:

Too many viable characters

Not enough Viable players for them
/thread
 

KingHippo

Alternative-Fact Checker
Still think one of the problems is it's easy to look at MK9 as it is now and say it's more balanced or whatever, but remember that's the result of a few patches. I don't doubt people were going off about the same thing when that game first came out, seeing as how we had block infinites, KL doing tons of damage, original Raiden teleport, etc.

I don't think I've played a game to date where I look back at the first version and think it was the very best, because it's probably not. Devs and QA testers can't catch everything, and that's fine, but I don't think it's fair to compare the very new first version of Injustice to the 2-3 year old thrice patched version of Mortal Kombat.

Also can we stop using Websters to look for words to sound smarter? We're playing video games, not writing our disposition for an english major, Christ almighty.

TL;DR: This topic is dumb and why aren't you all playing.
 
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That's interesting to think about, actually. I think low gunshots represents a real problem for Kabal. Normally, low projectiles that go under IAGB aren't a huge issue for Kabal because he can EX dash them on reaction. However since the low gunshots are multi hitting, they eat EX dash's one hit of armor before the attack can make contact. Deathstroke probably has the advantage from full screen in this matchup. Kabal probably does well when he gets close, though; Deathstroke's options for escaping pressure aren't the greatest. I don't know if Deathstroke has a high hitbox; can anyone test if the block infinite works on him? (Ans: no, no one can, cause they're from different games).
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
Just reading this man...

I like having Toro on the forums.

Don't get me wrong there are plenty of times where i disagree with what you write.

but if nothing else just for the fact that I get to log on and read shit like this....

Who WRITES shit like this?

Toro does...

and Toro will not hesitate to say the first thing on toro's mind in the weirdest "toroesque" way possible.

I can applaud you for that Toro...
This. Banning Toro would make the site less entertaining lbsh.

Also people complaining about logical fallacies: If you and I are in an argument, and you have a logical fallacy in an argument, I will point it out. Debate is all about trying to have the stronger argument. Using fallacies makes your argument weaker and usually proves almost nothing. This is why some of us like to point it out, so that we can focus on the central argument instead of fallacies or moot points.
 

MorbidAltruism

Get over here!
This whole thread has gotten derailed lol.

The point is that MK9 being more balanced than Injustice just sounds silly to me atm. 34 people voted MK and I still have yet to see a legitimate answer on why they chose MK over Injustice.
Balance is subjective. There is an absolute balance... but deciding what is MORE balanced is fallacious. It is dependent on the user. Perhaps they are willing to overlook certain aspects but not so willing to look at other certain aspects. I haven't read a legitimate argument that claims why Injustice is more balanced. At this point neither is really balanced. Balance arguments don't really get anywhere because of the subjective nature. :16Bit
 

ceemurda

Tha BLakk ROBOCOP
Threads like this would be more constructive if the NRS community branched out and learned other games.
This is obviously the problem with many people in this forum... They have only played nrs games

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coolwhip

Master
This. Banning Toro would make the site less entertaining lbsh.

Also people complaining about logical fallacies: If you and I are in an argument, and you have a logical fallacy in an argument, I will point it out. Debate is all about trying to have the stronger argument. Using fallacies makes your argument weaker and usually proves almost nothing. This is why some of us like to point it out, so that we can focus on the central argument instead of fallacies or moot points.
Agreed. Though it's a bit hypocritical to discuss logical fallacies and immediately follow it with ad hominem (calling people inept or retards).
 

CY MasterHavik

Master of Chaos and Jax
i'm not "riding" Injustice Dick as Cat is saying to people. I'm a decent players and comparing these two games are apples and oranges. People say Injustice is broken because nearly over half the cast has broken shit, which indirectly makes the game balance. MK9 wasn't really like that after a while people flock to kabal and kenshi. People who I knew to play lower tier characters switch to kenshi, kabal or someone else that in A tier. And I just don't play nrs games. My first two fighters I took serious were SC4 and DOA 4(which is a awful game). So I play other fighters. Hell I was even decent at ps allstars too. So I got hte knowledge of fighters in mind. I respect a company like nrs taking risks and breaking the mold of fighting games. it takes year to balance characters around traditional FG method throw in something like an intechables or a stage transition and things are a bit different.
 

Asodimazze

https://twitter.com/AlfioZacco
reo did this in mk9, not surprised he caused a tornado in IGAU haha, and I could care less about balance bcuz all fighting games have top tiers and low tiers.
I play SCV at high levels and It is 2000 times more balanced than Injustice actually....just saying.
 
I play SCV at high levels and It is 2000 times more balanced than Injustice actually....just saying.
I could care less about it being more balanced, but is it just balanced as there are no low tiers and no high tiers? nope, and I watched some SCV myself, some chars had a lot more tools than others/got way more top 8s than others.
 

Asodimazze

https://twitter.com/AlfioZacco
I could care less about it being more balanced, but is it just balanced as there are no low tiers and no high tiers? nope, and I watched some SCV myself, some chars had a lot more tools than others/got way more top 8s than others.
It's not like that

High tier in SCV can easily lose against all the other characters, in the whole game there are only a few 7-3 and no 8-2.
Here in Injustice some characters simply can't beat certain matchups and are totally useless lol, the difference between high tier and the others is extreme
 
It's not like that

High tier in SCV can easily lose against all the other characters, in the whole game there are only a few 7-3 and no 8-2.
Here in Injustice some characters simply can't beat certain matchups and are totally useless lol, the difference between high tier and the others is extreme
all fgs have big issues with balance, why would we need patches if a game was good balanced wise and nothing was too cheap/broken? every fg made gets patches nowadays. Plus low tier chars can win in all games vs top tier chars "every once in a while", but I guarantee you that the true low tier chars won't be winning EVO.