Stop overrating MK9's Balance, Injustice is better

[coolwhip]

It's the other way around on the breakers though. Cage breaking doesnt put kenshi at advantage. In this game it would because wager leaves both players full screen no matter who uses it and who wins.

no, they're not. That's what a lot of people claim and my argument is that they're whining unnecessarily. MK is actually an extremely good game with very few problems compared to injustice.

I can't agree that MK has less problems than Injustice. I think you're confusing problems with what you'd want the game mechanics to be like. As far as actual problems and glitches, MK has more, but then again, we're only a month into Injustice and some might surface.

As far as which game I enjoy more however, that will always be MK.

 

[trufenix]

It's the other way around on the breakers though. Cage breaking doesnt put kenshi at advantage. In this game it would because wager leaves both players full screen no matter who uses it and who wins.

Grundy should be allowed to combo break, get health back AND stay in!?

 

[DJ L Toro]

I can't agree that MK has less problems than Injustice. I think you're confusing problems with what you'd want the game mechanics to be like. As far as actual problems and glitches, MK has more, but then again, we're only a month into Injustice and some might surface.

As far as which game I enjoy more however, that will always be MK.

MK only really has 2 problems though. input bug and meter drain. even then meter drain is so rare it's almost insignificant (and really noone complains when sonya gets MDed 3 times in a row going for ex cartwheel, lol). The major glitches have been banned. you dont see people using invincibility or anything of the sort because we know about it and we can regulate that. Injustict has a lot of glitches that people refuse to acknowledge (like the interact-freeze glitch and the bike-fuk-yo-camera glitch) that, thus, make it a more glitchy game. It's still early in the game, so pretending it's all sugar and faries is absolutely the WRONG thing to do. we should be finding what's bullshit, broken, glitchy, and generally bad about the game and letting the devs know because patches are still coming.

 

[Qwark28]

MK is actually an extremely good game with very few problems compared to injustice.

burn this man

 

[DJ L Toro]

Grundy should be allowed to combo break, get health back AND stay in!?

the compromise that i have offered many times is leave them at neutral starting distance or at wherever they were when the clash initiated, or let the winner decide (with a directional input or whatever... i think this was m2dave 's idea, but i like it, so i'm stealing it, lol). There's no reason you should be at a disadvantage for using your breaker. that's insane.

 

[DJ L Toro]

burn this man

be my guest then, list the problems i missed. you cant even say negative edge btw, because that was evidently intentionally included and people have found uses for it.

 

[SLy]

MK is actually an extremely good game with very few problems compared to injustice

You've never played Jade..

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

the compromise that i have offered many times is leave them at neutral starting distance or at wherever they were when the clash initiated, or let the winner decide (with a directional input or whatever... i think this was m2dave 's idea, but i like it, so i'm stealing it, lol). There's no reason you should be at a disadvantage for using your breaker. that's insane.

Its not a breaker though, it recovers life if you win. Thats the whole point. Meter management.
The wager serves more than 1 purpose in this game, compared to the breaker in MK9 which served one.

You can use it to get in, you can use it to get out.
Gives zoning characters advantage to chip out the opponent, even if they have to take damage to do so.

And so on....

 

[DJ L Toro]

You've never played Jade..

once again another logical fallacy that will inevitably get many likes.

 

[DJ L Toro]

Its not a breaker though, it recovers life if you win. Thats the whole point. Meter management.
The wager serves more than 1 purpose in this game, compared to the breaker in MK9 which served one.

that's somewhat irrelevant. It has the purpose of breaker (if it didnt there would be a different way to activate it), but if half that cast will die for using it then it needs to be fixed. If you're a character with no projectiles, using wager will cost you more than 33%. Also, you assume that you're always going to win a wager. that's a bad assumption to make. if you lose your wager, lose 15%, 3 bars, down to 5% health, aganst a zoner, and now you're full screen. lol gg buddy. I'm fine with all of those so long as it doesnt leave me full screen.

 

[THTB]

Its not a breaker though, it recovers life if you win. Thats the whole point. Meter management.
The wager serves more than 1 purpose in this game, compared to the breaker in MK9 which served one.

As always, Foxy gets it.

And MK9's problems extend further than just those two things, including how offense is pretty much just abusing the faulty blocking mechanics. When being 0 on block might as well have been + frames due to blocking, you know shit is funky.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

that's somewhat irrelevant. It has the purpose of breaker (if it didnt there would be a different way to activate it), but if half that cast will die for using it then it needs to be fixed. If you're a character with no projectiles, using wager will cost you more than 33%. Also, you assume that you're always going to win a wager. that's a bad assumption to make. if you lose your wager, lose 15%, 3 bars, down to 5% health, aganst a zoner, and now you're full screen. lol gg buddy. I'm fine with all of those so long as it doesnt leave me full screen.

I edited my post to talk about losing a wager, wagers still have purpose even if you intentionally lose them. Theres also the mindgame behind how much meter the guys gonna use, since you can fake spending meter.

 

[SLy]

once again another logical fallacy that will inevitably get many likes.

Logical Fallacy = Reasonable..But not true..

Meaning that what Im saying is in fact correct but not enough to make Injustice more balanced than MK..

However that is not the only problem.. You had Meter Drain and etc. Glitches in the mechanics that affected gameplay heavily. But yet MK is more balanced?

I see no fallacies within this post dude.

 

[THTB]

Real talk, imagine how stupid Jade would be if meter drain didn't exist, and blocking wasn't as clunky. Still a fish, but you probably get what I'm saying.

 

[Nutrient]

Judge by yourself.

*USA tournaments (as of today).
**Will update the number of times each character has appeared in top 8

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Character-------Number of Tournament wins ----------Has been seen in top 8?​

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Flash --------------------------(0)--------------------------------------------------No​

Nightwing ---------------------(0)-------------------------------------------------Yes​

Batman -----------------------(1)-------------------------------------------------Yes​

Cyborg ------------------------(0)--------------------------------------------------No​

Green Arrow ----------------(1)-------------------------------------------------Yes​

Superman -------------------(5)--------------------------------------------------Yes​

Raven -------------------------(0)--------------------------------------------------Yes​

Aquaman ---------------------(1)--------------------------------------------------Yes​

Wonder Woman ------------(0)---------------------------------------------------No​

Hawkgirl -----------------------(0)---------------------------------------------------No​

Shazam -----------------------(0)---------------------------------------------------No​

Green Lantern ---------------(0)---------------------------------------------------Yes​

Joker ---------------------------(0)---------------------------------------------------No​

Harley Quinn -----------------(0)---------------------------------------------------No​

Solomon Grundy ------------(0)---------------------------------------------------Yes​

Lex Luthor --------------------(0)----------------------------------------------------No​

Catwoman -------------------(0)----------------------------------------------------Yes​

Deathstroke ----------------(1)----------------------------------------------------Yes​

Ares ----------------------------(0)----------------------------------------------------Yes​

Killer Frost -------------------(1)----------------------------------------------------Yes​

Doomsday --------------------(2)----------------------------------------------------Yes​

Sinestro -----------------------(1)----------------------------------------------------Yes​

Black Adam -------------------(1)----------------------------------------------------Yes​

Bane ----------------------------(0)-----------------------------------------------------No​

Lobo -----------------------------(0)-----------------------------------------------------No​

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Characters that have been seen in Grand Finals (number of times):

• Superman (7)
• Doomsday (3)
• Deathstroke (3)
• Aquaman (3)
• Green Arrow (2)
• Batman (2)
• Green Lantern (2)
• Black Adam (2)
• Sinestro (1)
• Raven (1)
• Killer Frost (1)

I don't disagree with your balance claim, however, I think it's unfair to claim the games balance based off month 1 tourneys.

I'm sure MK's early tourneys were the same having a diverse top 8, but, as time went on, Kung laos Cyraxs and Kabals rained surpreme, expect top-tiers to weed out all the chaff in IGAU the same way, ofc I'm sure this game has many more viable characters then MK did

Heck, I got bopped in a tournament against a HawkGirl player recently, People see her as mid-tier [Which seems peculiar to me].

Side note: Of course this game is more balanced, MK was and still is to a degree a joke

Cyrax and Kabal can burn in Hell
I'll say it again gentleman, give it time.

 

[DJ L Toro]

Logical Fallacy = APPEARS Reasonable..But not true..

However that is not the only problem.. You had Meter Drain and etc. Glitches in the mechanics that affected gameplay heavily. But yet MK is more balanced?

I see no fallacies within this post dude.

Corrected. Logical fallacies are unsound reasoning, invalid arguments and ought to be rejected. Yours is a straw man:
argument: mk is a good game
response: jade is a bad character
people like that because it's true, but it is non-responsive to my argument.
i didnt have etc, and ok THTB listed another problem that i missed, you're right about that one, but that's still only 2.5 major problems

 

[Mr. Mileena]

The only thing that baffles me is that a lot of top players said that MK9 was one of the most balanced games.
Now, the facts come out, and I never believed MK9 was a balanced game to begin with.

9-1, 8-2 Mu's
characters who obliterated 90% of the cast
not everyone had armor
etc.

I think Injustice is much more balanced, especially for about a month since release.
It is interesting to see people who backed up MK9 as being balanced all of a sudden throwing it under the bus and proving points as to why it is not such a balanced game overall.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

Universal defence in MK9 - Fast low pokes/normals, correct blocking ( hoping that you didnt get caught in random advantage against a fair few characters), breaker, wakeups. Cant say armour because not everybody had practical armour.

Universal defence in Injustice - Backdashes, armour, jumps, pushblock, wager, forward dashes, fast low pokes/normals, correct blocking, wakeups.

See where this is going?

Theres at least 9 universal options that every character has in Injustice to defend themselves against everybody elses bullshit, compared to 4 universal options in MK9.

You can't say that MK9 is more balanced when the universal defensive options alone were crap, then combine that with a bad block mechanic AND random advantage from some characters, it was just too easy.
At least every character in Injustice has multiple choices they can make.

This isnt something that can be debated, not even 2 years down the line of Injustice, cause we already know about these mechanics and how they work in relation to rushdown in this game.

Then you have to look at defending against zoning in this game, which again, isn't too difficult, but zoners need options too.

I think this post should be the end of this thread because its pretty much destroyed any argument defending MK as the more balanced game.

 

[SLy]

Corrected. Logical fallacies are unsound reasoning, invalid arguments and ought to be rejected. Yours is a straw man:
argument: mk is a good game with very few problems compared to injustice
response: jade is a bad character

My response was more than that. You selectively took the first part of my response to make your argument valid lol.. Come on bro really?.

No problem tho

 

[DJ L Toro]

My response was more than that. You selectively took the first part of my response to make your argument valid lol.. Come on bro really?.

No problem tho

Eh, that's just the part of the argument i figured you were responding to. even if you add that it's still a fallacy for the same reason

 

[SLy]

Real talk, imagine how stupid Jade would be if meter drain didn't exist, and blocking wasn't as clunky. Still a fish, but you probably get what I'm saying.

haha yea I do. It pissed many people off at first.. But that was something everyone got adjusted to.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

Eh, that's just the part of the argument i figured you were responding to. even if you add that it's still a fallacy for the same reason

We're talking about balance, not taking an English comprehension class. Come on...

 

[Vagrant]

There's no reason you should be at a disadvantage for using your breaker. that's insane.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

-Cyrax

 

[DJ L Toro]

We're talking about balance, not taking an English comprehension class. Come on...

I'm talking about the broader implications REO outlined in the OP, balance is part of it, but injustice has bigger problems than that right now. Also, bad arguments for balance ought to be shown as such so that people dont buy into them. though most of the people here are borderline retarded, so *shrug* i guess i'm fighting a losing battle because everyone applauds stupidity and rejects logic.

 

[THTB]

Corrected. Logical fallacies are unsound reasoning, invalid arguments and ought to be rejected. Yours is a straw man:
argument: mk is a good game
response: jade is a bad character
people like that because it's true, but it is non-responsive to my argument.
i didnt have etc, and ok THTB listed another problem that i missed, you're right about that one, but that's still only 2.5 major problems

These problems are major issues that shaped the game a good extent. Meter drain fucked up some things pretty heavily, and the blocking mechanics made offense even better than it should have been. I didn't go into how the universal movement made it impossible for most of the zoning-only characters to thrive. The rest of the problems went down to character balance itself.

Foxy pretty much nailed it.