Jump ins do not work like MK in this game. They don't jail. He has to hit it real deep to negate the disadvantage. At the very least every character should be able to 6/7f poke superman when he j2's you.
Exactly! She crouches to the ground. She can go under the pig on Asylum too. I throw out B3 like a maniac against Superman. It means I get thrown alot as a punish, but one good B3 and I`m taking 30+ percent, into a hardknock down, into a throw or my mixups and frame traps.
Damn this bitch is cray cray
There is a local player here who beat me doing nothing but B3, D3 Throw and jump 2 setups when the game first released. I was like :O
Have you been reading the thread?
Yeah, "superman is OP" and "f23 is OP" are two different discussions entirely. It would be OP if you couldn`t escape at all, and if letting go to let the breathe hit you left you standing in a stunned state giving him another F2 for free.
First of all, HAVE YOU READ MY POST AND DID you COMPREHEND WHAT WAS WRITTEN? My post starts with the word APART! Implying that some AND NOT ALL characters have the tools mentioned to deal with the stupid frame trap. My question to you is HAVE YOU TESTED MB F3/B3 ON ALL CHARACTERS YOURSELF? Nowhere in this tread it was posted that MB B3/F3 was tested on all characters before my post but people did post to nerf the F23 SB. Have you read the whole thread? At NO POINT did I say that any of what was said in this thread was WRONG? Reading is one thing. Understanding what you have read is another. I' am at the office right now and I promise you that today as soon as I reach home I will dedicate the rest of the day to finding options to beat or escape the frame trap with all characters and I will post it here first thing in the morning. My concern not with Superman but for all characters in general is that they don't get nerfed for silly reasons. People might not like what I am going to say now for sure but I will leave this as an example. Look what happened to Kung Lao in MK9. True players of the game will understand this even if they hated Kung Lao.
Apologies if I misunderstood understood your post. 'Apart from a 6 frame jab/D1 that would beat, a 7 frame jab/D1 that would trade and a backdash that some characters have to deal with Superman's so called OP frame trap' doesn't seem clear grammatically and I took it as a sarcastic 'there are so many options to get out of this, how can you complain about needing more' thing and the hit lab part sounded like 'stop complaining and figure it out' when I read it but looking at it again I can see that it was phrased like an honest question and obviously took it wrong.
I'm sorry too, sometimes I do come off as a bit of an asshole but I assure you I meant no harm with my post. I really want all characters to have a way to deal with the frame trap, either beating it or escaping for some breathing room. For some it might still be a bad match up to fight Superman hopefully we will discover more things to blow up the rest of his game as the game evolves.
Chance, I just tested all this and nothing can interrupt superman's 22 string after a jumping 2 or a jumping 1. It jails. You can't armor, or d1, or standing 1.
Not every character kan back dash it. Some get punished for doing so, others like Arrow just push themselves into the korner because they are still forced to block the 3..
Thanks mayo. Just went back in to the lab. I didn't have the timing right on my ai record.
His dash punch is actually very hard to punish if you don't have a long range attack. With Catwoman I can't hit him with my B1 and that's 14 frames. The only way I can punish is if by chance he lands close enough to do a Down1 into catclaws. I think it's gonna be safe against most characters. Go for a throw. His rising grab needs a 6 frame punish for sure, otherwise go for grab. And his ground smash requires an AA punish.
Yes it depends from what range he does it. The further he does it the safer it becomes. If he does it from close range it becomes more punishable.