Match-up Discussion Nightwing Matchup Discussion

[DocCeaser]

All of his arrows are +4 from what I understand

IIRC only the standing arrows are +4 while the low arrows are around neutral. Blocking and punishing after a fire arrow is a tough task if they fire them repeatedly. You have to remember that unless he hits you with something he can't get a safe load. Wait out his arrow barrage until he runs out and take back the momentum.

 

[Cosmic_Castaway]

Idk why anyone complains about Hawkgirl when Wonder Woman exists. I'm starting to think that's Nightwing's worst MU.

Is there something I'm missing?

Sent from the Batcave

 

[Hawkingbird]

Your not the only one. I struggle against Wonder Woman as well. Her b113 string blows me up most of the time

 

[Saitsu]

WW is a pain agreed, but she's not the worst MU he has because she doesn't invalidate 90-95% of his tools by existence.

 

[KombatNerd]

Should I add that entire thing about Doomsday into his section or should I just link it? I'll probably update the thread sometime this weekend.

 

[Saitsu]

Alright guys, I've been looking but I can't find it anywhere. There was a list for the characters that can't be crossed up standing by (MB) Flip Kick. Anyone still have it? I need it.

 

[AssassiN]

Alright guys, I've been looking but I can't find it anywhere. There was a list for the characters that can't be crossed up standing by (MB) Flip Kick. Anyone still have it? I need it.

The flipkick doesn't work too great on a few characters when they are standing.
The flipkick won't cross-over without a blockstring (it does when they are crouching or knocked down) against these characters:

Bane
B2, F2(random, mostly cross-overs), F213(first and second hit), B1, B11, 3, 33, *STAFF 1,F1~4*
With Bane sometimes it looks like you cross-overed but you didn't.

Black Adam
There are none, it's very random and most of the time it won't cross-over.
There is no way of telling if it will.

Doomsday
B2, F213(only the first hit), B11, 1(random, mostly cross-overs), 11(same), 3, 33, *STAFF 1,F1~4*

Sinestro
2, F2, F21, F213(only the first hit), 3, 33

Solomon Grundy
Absolutely none, nothing random either.

I only tested the flying and big characters.

 

[Saitsu]

Thanks, needed the info. And that Black Adam shit could work to our advantage.

 

[Cosmic_Castaway]

WW is a pain agreed, but she's not the worst MU he has because she doesn't invalidate 90-95% of his tools by existence.

No, she just completely outspaces him even when he's in staff stance with her halfscreen lasso overhead, among other dumb things like a better version of Hawkgirl's charge.

I'm just gonna have to rush her down harder, I guess.

 

[Saitsu]

No, she just completely outspaces him even when he's in staff stance with her halfscreen lasso overhead, among other dumb things like a better version of Hawkgirl's charge.

I'm just gonna have to rush her down harder, I guess.

All of that is a bitch to deal with but at least she has slight openings and she can't stay in the air so full screen Staff is still useful.

 

[AK partyeagle]

i play a WW frequently, this matchup gets alot easier once you know it, first off. you will eventually start seeing b23 , its good but it is frame disadvantage . ill usually block it and force him to block a b1( staff ) or backdash and do a db2 . learn her frames, learn when not to hit buttons , and once you have a knockdown, go ham. she cant handle his rushdown.

 

[Saitsu]

That feeling when MB Pain Chain beats out and auto corrects against MB Flip Kick 3 straight times...

 

[Chongo]

Played against Big D's Lobo yesterday, and I learned a bit about the MU.

~Lobo is very meter dependent, meaning that clash scenarios are a bit in your favor.

~I've found that a keepaway Nightwing works well. Lobo cannot forward dash through ground spark, and WingDings will hit him out of it if you time it right/ beat his armor moves since they are multi-hitting.

Idk if this information is helpful, but it worked for me :/

 

[Saitsu]

Another day, another filthy Regime user down.

 

[Deathwish]

Thanks, needed the info. And that Black Adam shit could work to our advantage.

i was in training mode practicing a MB flip kick crossup combo and i put the practice dummy as Black Adam.

it DOES cross up, but if i recall correctly he has to be facing you (normal) and be ducking. i don't think it crosses up if it isn't MB. it won't cross up if you're not hitting black adam's hunched back.

i'll double check when i have time

 

[Saitsu]

i was in training mode practicing a MB flip kick crossup combo and i put the practice dummy as Black Adam.

it DOES cross up, but if i recall correctly he has to be facing you (normal) and be ducking. i don't think it crosses up if it isn't MB. it won't cross up if you're not hitting black adam's hunched back.

i'll double check when i have time

No, I've checked him before. MB definitely crosses up randomly. I got it to do it maybe...twice in a row at most, maybe three times? But it's never completely consistent.

And normal Flip Kick does crossup consistently. The arc for it seems floatier allowing it.

 

[AK partyeagle]

anybody else finding the superman matchup to be completely horrible ? staff can FIGHt with him, but i still feel Supes has the advantage. the worse part is that the round starts you in escrima stance and he has f2 3....... this string almost single handedly beats escrima T^T

any tips guys?

 

[Saitsu]

He'll do f23 xx Breath. If he tries another f23, there's a 7 frame gap. Stand 1 will beat it out.

 

[AssassiN]

In Staff's case a D1 will do the trick.
You can punish Superman's airbone lasers that are not meterburned with a Flying Grayson, issue is you'll put yourself full-screen again .

 

[NightwingDayZero]

I'd venture to say a smart Cyborg against even the best Nightwing means for a 9-1 matchup in favor of Cyborg.

Does anyone have anything to combat his IAFB spam/zip line escape?

 

[Saitsu]

Well, I haven't played a competent Cyborg so idk.

The best I could think of is the fact that Ground Spark should low profile his IAFB.

 

[AK partyeagle]

Standing 1 won't beat out supes because of the range f23 breath leaves him. Telling you this matchup is dumb when your in escrima.

 

[Saitsu]

Standing 1 won't beat out supes because of the range f23 breath leaves him. Telling you this matchup is dumb when your in escrima.

Then just backdash out.

And it's not likely the matchup is good in Staff. Clark gives no fucks about anything Staff does at range.

 

[AK partyeagle]

Back dash myself. Into the corner. Its a crapshoot buts it is one of the few things you can do . And yea full screen supes wins period. He doesn't have to respect anything. But the up close game is. Much better soley for d1

 

[AssassiN]

B3 MB is your friend.

I don't do too bad against Cyborg, I'd say I've won more than lost.