The thread is talking about the window for wakeup inputs being recognized; not the invincibility window after they're recognized
And the premise was that adding a tiny bit more leniency to the input window globally would benefit playing online, while not changing much for high level players offline.
This is a stupid statement, anybody who puts in a few hours can do it consistently, if a pro couldn't do wake up 100% of the time i'd be surprised and amused.
Yeah, I never played it online but I heard from people (including Tom) that MKvsDC has different frame data when you played online. There was many moves safe online (literally) that were not offline.
1: Piss off with your "stupid statement" remarks.
No, it was a stupid statement, crowd go wild for good reads and reactions not a moderately difficult input. Try and change what you were saying all you want, it was a stupid statement, i have nothing further to say on this.
Except you are mostly wrong and probably bought a few too many David sirlin books. The reason not to make it easier to execute is that wakeup moves are strong with added invincibilty, break momentum and reward the loser. If the move was "mashable" like reversals are in some games the wakeup game becomes pretty irrelevant especially since some characters have moves that are safe on block.
What is your problem? I haven`t changed anything. I don`t see why you have to be so confrontational and dickish about this. When I see a player executing something that could easily go wrong, like wakeup attacks sometimes with small times for inputting them, I like it. I never said anything about a crowd going wild. It`s people who appreciate the game who get satisfaction from the little things. They don`t have to jump up screaming about how amazing it was, but they can have an appreciation for consistency and timing. I`m also impressed by Wafflez ability to pull of Smoke resets so consistently in tense tournament fights., as are many other players. I guess that makes us pretty damn stupid for getting excited over a good player`s ability to execute moves in small windows.
Stylish combos are different those are hype expecially if they are damaging as well
That answers my question! I was hoping that if I use the SF controls I could be holding down then qcb to input my next move, as opposed to neutral then input. Over!I wish MK9 had Injustice's wake up system.Invincibility and frame input windows are much tighter. I 100% agree with Tom that they should be practiced and you earn the wake up.
People having trouble doing inputs for special moves either during wake up or mid combos (trying to 2 in 1):
Try making sure the controller/arcade stick is at neutral before trying to do your next input. Dunno if this makes sense. Here I'll try to explain -
I'll use Joker for example:
after a b+3 mid combo I'll do d+2 (his uppercut) and 2 in 1 into teeth (qcb+3)
well when I do the d+2 and from there, while I'm holding the down input of the d+2, try to finish the qcb input...the TEETH DOES NOT COME OUT CONSISTENTLY. Sometimes I'll get nothing.
I'm using Alternate controls (SF inputs). So I'm not sure if it has anything to do with that.
But if I do d+2 > neutral (not having any directional input held or pressed) > then do qcb+3...I get teeth every time.
So if people are trying to mash things out, and everyone is guilty of that, either mid combo or trying to wake up...this is probably why your moves aren't coming out when you're expecting them to. Game has natural input delay. This is a way around it. I never had an issue with this in MK9...just saying.
Actually I lied.
Whether you find it impressive or not does not matter. It adds a layer of depth and mental toughness to the game. There is something to be said for being "clutch" and being able to perform great reads and high execution in high pressure situations. See the daigo parry vid for example. Not only was it an amazing read but extremely tough execution in a tense situation. Having an instant parry all button would not have been very hype.I've never been impressed or hype about high execution moves/combos. EWGF in Tekken or 1 frame links in AE, I don't find those things hype in the slightest. But I know players with horrible execution do find it exciting to watch though.
A reset is a completely different level of difficulty. A wake up is just an expected level of aptitude after you have time to register being knocked down, not getting dickish just seemed really stupid to say you would get excited over seeing somebody doing a wakeup, especially considering your a high level tournament player.
I would agree with this, if at a high level people weren't able to do wake ups whenever they want, which, given time they will. Holding back to block adds a real level of difficulty and depth. Making wake ups slightly more tricky.. does not, its just a slight annoyance.
I get what you are saying and even tho I agree with most of it, why would it hurt to buff WUAs a little? I mean most of them are full combo punishable on block...
Because they all aren't punishable. If they were all punishable, then I'm all for it, but they aren't.
If you do that then you'd have people doing perfect wakeup attacks left and right. Even people who have no problems with WUs, I don't think that most can constantly do them on the first frame at this point...Maybe you should lose your invulnerability if you do the input in this early window because I don't think making it easier for people to do perfect wakeup attacks is the best answer.
Well not every WUA in any fighter is punishable on block, some you can wiff punish it, some you can jump back or njp and get a full combo (Killer Frost slide) etc.
