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MKB

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I'll start - A lot of things I could say about the current state of the WWE, but one thing I think most people will agree on as it pertains to Monday Night Raw... 3 hours is just way too much. There isn't enough talent on the roster to sustain a 3 hour program. Although, if you look at it from another angle, roughly 45 minutes of the show are advertisements and commercials. So in a way the 3rd hour ensures that you get 2 hours of content.
 

Tim Static

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Ive given up on the current age of what is seen in WWE/TNA. Its a garbage product, with the real talent not being able to overtake the horrible writing & ideas. Then again, I didn't care for the Attitude Era, aka "We got hammered by WCW even tho they killed themselves off when the ideas got stale". Sorry, but if you don't like my opinion on that, I got 2 words for ya: Don't care.

I love me some classics, especially the 80's WWF & some early-mid 90's as well, and WCW from the 80's up till the nWo Wolfpack. lol
 
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SPOILERS ABOUT THE NEXT THREE RAW SHOWS

Cena wins.
LOL... actually Cena recently lost in a 6-man tag against the Shield. But yes, I know what you are getting at. Super Cena rarely loses.
 

RWDY Nori

MK is kinda dope
Ive given up on the current age of what is seen in WWE/TNA. Its a garbage product, with the real talent not being able to overtake the horrible writing & ideas. Then again, I didn't care for the Attitude Era, aka "We got hammered by WCW even tho they killed themselves off when the ideas got stale". Sorry, but if you don't like my opinion on that, I got 2 words for ya: Don't care.

I love me some classics, especially the 80's WWF & some early-mid 90's as well, and WCW from the 80's up till the nWo Wolfpack. lol
Bro, you didn't LIKE the AE era, possibly the greatest era in all of wrestling? Rock, SCSA, HHH, Undertaker, nWO (black and white), Mick Foley, WCW cruiserweight division, ECW? I must hear more as to why. And Mankind winning the WWF Championship is what finished them off (and yes, nWo adding every human on planet earth was beyond a death sentence)

I do agree 100% about today's WWE/TNA. The lack of talent is not the problem, it's the horrible creative team on both organizations holding them back badly.


Let the discussion begin!
 

ShadowBeatz

Dropper of Bass and Bombs
I haven't watched wrestling in years. I stopped watching as soon as it took a more "PG" approach. I understand the angle and everything and I understand why they did it, but I grew up with the Attitude Era, where people bled on a nightly basis, the storylines were fresh, and the WWE (F) did SUCH a good job at really getting you emotionally involved with the superstars (I remember when Foley won the WWF title. I cried tears of joy). Even during the early 2000's it was really good with brand war between RAW and Smackdown.

I've tried turning it on and seeing what's going on a few times, but it's just not the same anymore :(
 

Tim Static

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Bro, you didn't LIKE the AE era, possibly the greatest era in all of wrestling? Rock, SCSA, HHH, Undertaker, nWO (black and white), Mick Foley, WCW cruiserweight division, ECW? I must hear more as to why. And Mankind winning the WWF Championship is what finished them off (and yes, nWo adding every human on planet earth was beyond a death sentence)
I consider the Attitude Era a WWE thing, not what WCW was doing with the nWo & the Crusierweight. The ECW had some insane stuff, but when I use the term Attitude Era, I use it like a brand of WWE. I thought it was lame, although, even like with today's WWE, some of it was good.
 

ShadowBeatz

Dropper of Bass and Bombs
Bro, you didn't LIKE the AE era, possibly the greatest era in all of wrestling? Rock, SCSA, HHH, Undertaker, nWO (black and white), Mick Foley, WCW cruiserweight division, ECW? I must hear more as to why. And Mankind winning the WWF Championship is what finished them off (and yes, nWo adding every human on planet earth was beyond a death sentence)

I do agree 100% about today's WWE/TNA. The lack of talent is not the problem, it's the horrible creative team on both organizations holding them back badly.
You stole my thunder lol
 

Cody

Mortal
Bro, you didn't LIKE the AE era, possibly the greatest era in all of wrestling? Rock, SCSA, HHH, Undertaker, nWO (black and white), Mick Foley, WCW cruiserweight division, ECW? I must hear more as to why. And Mankind winning the WWF Championship is what finished them off (and yes, nWo adding every human on planet earth was beyond a death sentence)

I do agree 100% about today's WWE/TNA. The lack of talent is not the problem, it's the horrible creative team on both organizations holding them back badly.


Let the discussion begin!
Althogh I know what your'e trying to say, ECW and WCW aren't the Attitude Era. The Attitude Era is a time and state of WWE, not the other two companies. The other two were just the competition that should've ran WWE out of business because personally, I believe they were better than WWE.
 

MKB

Forum General Emeritus
Bro, you didn't LIKE the AE era, possibly the greatest era in all of wrestling? Rock, SCSA, HHH, Undertaker, nWO (black and white), Mick Foley, WCW cruiserweight division, ECW? I must hear more as to why. And Mankind winning the WWF Championship is what finished them off (and yes, nWo adding every human on planet earth was beyond a death sentence)

I do agree 100% about today's WWE/TNA. The lack of talent is not the problem, it's the horrible creative team on both organizations holding them back badly.


Let the discussion begin!
I think SCSA said it best in a shoot interview I watched on YouTube a couple years ago... WWE needs to abolish the scripted promo. The wrestlers of today's generation will never learn to be themselves and think on their feet unless they are given the freedom and slack to do so. Unfortunately, due to corporate sponsorships, fear of offending people, and other such nonsense, that freedom will never be given to a performer unless they are of S tier level importance (Rock, Austin, Cena, Punk)
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
LOL... actually Cena recently lost in a 6-man tag against the Shield. But yes, I know what you are getting at. Super Cena rarely loses.
The entire "John Cena had such a bad year last year. Can he overcome the odds and beat The Rock at Wrestlemania 29?" story line was moronic. Obviously, John Cena was not going to lose twice to The Rock at Wrestlemania. What does the WWE think we are? Idiots?

The number one problem today is lack of competition for the WWE. TNA is not mainstream, so the WWE can produce the same old, same old (i.e., Super Cena for ten consecutive years) and get away with every mistake.
 

RWDY Nori

MK is kinda dope
Althogh I know what your'e trying to say, ECW and WCW aren't the Attitude Era. The Attitude Era is a time and state of WWE, not the other two companies. The other two were just the competition that should've ran WWE out of business because personally, I believe they were better than WWE.
I think if it wasn't for ECW there would be no attitude Era IMO. Nor the bret hart screwjob, that also propelled the evil "Mr. McMahon" persona as well. I consider AE cause all 3 companies were so far above and beyond expectations, even back then, that anything after it would be inferior but that's me.
 

RWDY Nori

MK is kinda dope
I think SCSA said it best in a shoot interview I watched on YouTube a couple years ago... WWE needs to abolish the scripted promo. The wrestlers of today's generation will never learn to be themselves and think on their feet unless they are given the freedom and slack to do so. Unfortunately, due to corporate sponsorships and other such nonsense, that freedom will never be given to a performer unless they are of S tier level importance (Rock, Austin, Cena, Punk)
HHH went on record saying that he wants to slowly do away w/scripted promos. You see Ryback live and it makes you want to drink Clorox. Some wrestlers really need it, but I would love to see what Daniel Bryan/Cesaro/Barrett/Dean Ambrose can do w/out a script. We already know Punk is fantastic on the mic

M2Dave: Your right, no smart wrestling fan thinks a guy who main evented nearly every PPV "beat the odds". They botched CM Punk's entire WWE Championship reign and never made him look strong.



My BIGGEST issue w/WWE is all their heels are the same. CM Punk is good and all, but he has to be a coward and can't win clean, it's BS. Look at what they did to Ziggler (don't care he's WC he's in a horrible feud right now)/Cesaro/Barett. It's just tragic. STRONG heels helped the WWE and look at the nWo. Heels make money
 

MKB

Forum General Emeritus
M2Dave: Your right, no smart wrestling fan thinks a guy who main evented nearly every PPV "beat the odds". They botched CM Punk's entire WWE Championship reign and never made him look strong.
Yeah I was laughing and gagging at the time Cena make that proclamation about not being able to beat Punk or the Rock. Smart fans knew better, but unfortunately the smart fans are in the minority. WWE's major draw is the kids and the parents who support them. If you tell a kid something, they don't question it. They accept it as fact and take whatever the WWE tries to forcefeed and shove down their throats.
 

RWDY Nori

MK is kinda dope
Yeah I was laughing and gagging at the time Cena make that proclamation about not being able to beat Punk or the Rock. Smart fans knew better, but unfortunately the smart fans are in the minority. WWE's major draw is the kids and the parents who support them. If you tell a kid something, they don't question it. They accept it as fact and take whatever the WWE tries to forcefeed and shove down their throats.
I told everybody on Facebook, I don't care if it makes me look bad but it's my honest opinion: If Ryback would have come out and shellshocked the make a wish kids last week on RAW, I would have immediately bought a feed me more shirt and chanted it like all the other idiots
 

Sasarix

"Heaven Will Fall!"
I don't mind it being 3 hours I just wish it was more wrestling involved and less drama. CM Punk needs the belt back period only he can save us.
 

RWDY Nori

MK is kinda dope
I don't mind it being 3 hours I just wish it was more wrestling involved and less drama. CM Punk needs the belt back period only he can save us.
He's not coming back until Summer Slam. Plus when he left he had a huge blowout w/WWE Creative so really nobody knows what's going on w/him. Plus Cena is actually hurt right now. But no........we need Lesnar/HHH for the 3rd time........and for the 3rd time, nobody wants to see this match. Lesnar should have the belt right now, he signed on for 2 more years so I don't know. Ryback is such a horrible wrestler, worse on the mic. It's kinda boring since Ziggler won the WC
 

MKB

Forum General Emeritus
He's not coming back until Summer Slam. Plus when he left he had a huge blowout w/WWE Creative so really nobody knows what's going on w/him. Plus Cena is actually hurt right now. But no........we need Lesnar/HHH for the 3rd time........and for the 3rd time, nobody wants to see this match. Lesnar should have the belt right now, he signed on for 2 more years so I don't know. Ryback is such a horrible wrestler, worse on the mic. It's kinda boring since Ziggler won the WC
Lesnar is never going to hold the belt for more than a month or two tops. He is signed to a deal with limited appearances, similar to the first deal he signed in 2012. If Lesnar end up winning the belt, it would end up being just like Rock's reign earlier in the year with sporadic appearances and only defending the title when absolutely necessary.
 

MKB

Forum General Emeritus
The Rock coming back was a joke and I hope he stays gone for good this time
I was happy to see him back for his run in through WM28, but 2012 and the buildup to WM29 was a travesty. I remember in July when he came on Raw 1000 and said that he was getting a random title shot at Royal Rumble the following year. No reason, no explanation, just being given a title shot for the hell of it. That really turned me off to the Rock the rest of the way. Just being given a shot for showing up, not having to earn it at all. That really illustrated the lack of creativity on the part of WWE. If Rock was going to win the belt, I would have rather they made it similar to the 1992 Royal Rumble where he wins the Rumble and gets the title right after that. They could have set it up where Punk gets stripped of the title due to Shield interference (which was going to happy storywise anyway) which could then lead into the following PPV (Elimination Chamber) and make the Punk/Rock match more compelling.
 

RWDY Nori

MK is kinda dope
Lesnar is never going to hold the belt for more than a month or two tops. He is signed to a deal with limited appearances, similar to the first deal he signed in 2012. If Lesnar end up winning the belt, it would end up being just like Rock's reign earlier in the year with sporadic appearances and only defending the title when absolutely necessary.
And that's actually what I like. The WWE title is supposed to have prestige, and your champion doesn't HAVE to come out EVERY week either. People forget back in the day, the champion wasn't shoved down your throats. Hell even further back, you had to PAY to see him wrestle.

Sasarix: No matter what the rock does, he loses. He stays away and people want him back. He comes back, is very entertaining and people want him gone. He gets injured doing something he doesn't HAVE to (and lol if people think he came back just to promote movies. He made $78 million on his own since 2003 W/OUT wrestling) and people still complain. He's not the same wrestler but he's sure as shit much more entertaining than Cena, even w/the added 30 lbs of muscle he's clearly not used to having in the ring
 
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And that's actually what I like. The WWE title is supposed to have prestige, and your champion doesn't HAVE to come out EVERY week either. People forget back in the day, the champion wasn't shoved down your throats. Hell even further back, you had to PAY to see him wrestle.
In an ideal world, that would be the best way to do it, I agree. Unfortunately we live in a world where people are so damn impatient and need overexposure with everything.
 

RWDY Nori

MK is kinda dope
In an ideal world, that would be the best way to do it, I agree. Unfortunately we live in a world where people are so damn impatient and need overexposure with everything.
Exactly. Now not only do we have to watch Cena every week, but he carries around the belt on 1 working foot. Why not have him get jumped by the Shield and have a tournament for it, KOTR style? But no, that's actually a good idea and WWE Creative shys away from good ideas. It's better to have Tensai dance in women's underwear vs brodus and tensai being monster heels. It's better to have ziggler need big e langston AND aj to win matches. They are trying to recreate HBK/Diesel/Sherry and it's just so awful. Ziggler needs to be on his own, or under my lord and savior, Paul Heyman
 
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