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I Am Gotham's Reckoning -- Bane General Discussion Thread

SUPARNOVAX

SUPARNOVAX

Low tier? I was born in it, molded by it
LEGI0N47 said:
Just signed up. Maining Bane and just wanted to say there's a lot of good stuff here, as well as the forum as a whole. Have learned a good bit and hope to continue to do so.

Glad there are other Bane players out there because I've never seen one on-line and even when we're just messing around none of my friends ever even pic him lol. They'll all learn the meaning of strengh soon.
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All the laggy Deathstroke players scared them off :p

Also, are you guys using much f+3/mb-f+3 to open people up?
 
D_Matt_Ma

D_Matt_Ma

Sheeva isn't Goro's wife. Goro is her husband.
SUPARNOVAX said:
All the laggy Deathstroke players scared them off :p

Also, are you guys using much f+3/mb-f+3 to open people up?
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No. All of banes 3 attacks suck. They're slow, give little benefit on block or hit, have horrible range, and have bad hitboxes. If you need armor, Bane has got to use venom. That's the way they designed him. If you want to open up an opponent, 6B2 and throws are the way to go.
 
RYX

RYX

BIG PUSHER
D_Matt_Ma said:
No. All of banes 3 attacks suck. They're slow, give little benefit on block or hit, have horrible range, and have bad hitboxes. If you need armor, Bane has got to use venom. That's the way they designed him. If you want to open up an opponent, 6B2 and throws are the way to go.
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His wall bounce is awesome. Canceling into it leaves you at +9 and combining it with Venom makes your frame traps armored if you go into DP. It's especially good in then corner on block and hit.
 
D_Matt_Ma

D_Matt_Ma

Sheeva isn't Goro's wife. Goro is her husband.
True, but in a corner with venom, you pretty much got them with whatever you want to do anyways. I'll test the wall bounce some more. Maybe I'll change my opinion if I use it more.
 
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big_aug

Kombatant
RYX said:
His wall bounce is awesome. Canceling into it leaves you at +9 and combining it with Venom makes your frame traps armored if you go into DP. It's especially good in then corner on block and hit.
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Why would you want to use a wall bounce if you've got them in the corner? Isn't that where we really want them? They have to guess what's coming to block and/or hit the right wake up depending on the character.
 
RYX

RYX

BIG PUSHER
big_aug said:
Why would you want to use a wall bounce if you've got them in the corner? Isn't that where we really want them? They have to guess what's coming to block and/or hit the right wake up depending on the character.
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Did you read my post?

Wall bounce can be dashed and AA grabbed to put them in the corner.

D_Matt_Ma said:
True, but in a corner with venom, you pretty much got them with whatever you want to do anyways. I'll test the wall bounce some more. Maybe I'll change my opinion if I use it more.
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And what if you don't have venom? Wall/ground bounce cancels are armored and both give you a gratuitous length to combo on hit and give frame traps on block. Naked armored ones are only one bar and both are pretty difficult to jump around.
 
RYX

RYX

BIG PUSHER
Kiss the Missile said:
But if you don't have Venom wouldn't that be a waste of bar since it would do ass damage?
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No. You're SAFE, you run down the Venom clock on block AND hit and you get frame traps and therefore build more meter.

The damage reduction depending on how much Venom you burned(preferably level two, best one besides 3's immunity to zoning) doesn't really compare to getting safe meter and pretty much a guaranteed Venom after that? Pretty good.
 
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big_aug

Kombatant
RYX said:
Did you read my post?

Wall bounce can be dashed and AA grabbed to put them in the corner.


And what if you don't have venom? Wall/ground bounce cancels are armored and both give you a gratuitous length to combo on hit and give frame traps on block. Naked armored ones are only one bar and both are pretty difficult to jump around.
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I see what you're saying now.

So if we have them in the corner could burn through Venom x1-3 then use your meter for armored 3's to delay until more venom and be pretty safe?
 
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big_aug

Kombatant
Doombawkz said:
Dont burn 3, just 1 and 2.
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I feel like if you're going to lvl 2, you might as well go to lvl 3. I have trouble not going to lvl 3 once I've got them down. It's only a bit longer on top of the lvl 2 cooldown. It's just too easy to keep them on the ground with Venom up. Again, probably because I suck and have a hard time doing anything without Venom. It becomes kind of... addicting. MORE VENOM!

Has anyone timed the length of the debuff for each stage?

Edit: I just timed it.

Level 1 - 3 Seconds
Level 2 - 6 Seconds
Level 3 - 9 Seconds

It was a little longer on my stop watch, but I'm assuming that was just reaction time.

It seems like if you're going level 2, might as well go level 3. An extra 6 seconds of venom for more damage, armor, etc for 3 extra seconds of debuff. It looks like stopping at level 1 or going all the way to level 3 to me. Three seconds is so short, so I could definitely see stopping at lvl 1. It's that 6 second in between mark that doesn't work for me. Nine seconds is a long time, but so is 6 seconds.

Venom use and management is obviously key to this character more than anything else.
 
Doombawkz

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
big_aug said:
I feel like if you're going to lvl 2, you might as well go to lvl 3. I have trouble not going to lvl 3 once I've got them down. It's only a bit longer on top of the lvl 2 cooldown. It's just too easy to keep them on the ground with Venom up. Again, probably because I suck and have a hard time doing anything without Venom. It becomes kind of... addicting. MORE VENOM!

Has anyone timed the length of the debuff for each stage?

Edit: I just timed it.

Level 1 - 3 Seconds
Level 2 - 6 Seconds
Level 3 - 9 Seconds

It was a little longer on my stop watch, but I'm assuming that was just reaction time.

It seems like if you're going level 2, might as well go level 3. An extra 6 seconds of venom for more damage, armor, etc for 3 extra seconds of debuff. It looks like stopping at level 1 or going all the way to level 3 to me. Three seconds is so short, so I could definitely see stopping at lvl 1. It's that 6 second in between mark that doesn't work for me. Nine seconds is a long time, but so is 6 seconds.

Venom use and management is obviously key to this character more than anything else.
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I disagree, you can combo stall out of level 2 venom cooldown, and its not just 3 seconds of cooldown, its 3 seconds of cooldown and massively increased damage and massively reduced output for 9 seconds. Think about it like this.


You get 6 seconds of level 3, and since you'll have at least 3 seconds of downtime on average, you are only getting about half of it. So you end up with 9 seconds, over 6. Now next time you shoot venom, which you will, you'll have basically given up 2 level 2 venom's worth of damage for one level 3. So now that you have that in mind, you've given up 3 level 2 venoms for 2 level 3s.

Assuming they kept the staple of +3/-3 +6/-6 +9/-9, you are losing -18 and gaining +18 no matter what. However, since theres not as much gap between the 2s and the 3s, you are actually losing a lot more since you lose the benefit of level 1 venom for longer, which is a necessity for staying in. Its not just about time or damage, its about utility.
 
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big_aug

Kombatant
I tested the damage output and damage taken on the debuffs. I just used D2 for output and Deathstroke's Super for damage taken.

Venom Debuff Level - Damage Output - Damage Taken
-------0 -------------------------100% --------------100%
-------1 -------------------------80% --------------~103%
-------2 -------------------------60% --------------~111%
-------3 -------------------------30% --------------~135%


Venom Level - Damage Output
------0 ------------------100%
------1 ------------------110%
------2 ------------------125%
------3 ------------------150%


If someone already did this, my bad. I just didn't see it anywhere. Yes, it's a crude chart. I didn't feel like using excel or something lol
 
haketh

haketh

Champion
Personally I think unless it will kill it's generally better to go for level 2, level 3 is just so fucking risky.
 
RYX

RYX

BIG PUSHER
I wish his jump didn't float for so long. Really gives me problems avoiding Killer Frost's projectiles.
 
Crimson Cobra

Crimson Cobra

The Ultimate Shadow
people are starting to say bane's the worst character in the game because he has no use for meter and zoners beat his ass....
 
RYX

RYX

BIG PUSHER
Crimson Cobra said:
people are starting to say bane's the worst character in the game because he has no use for meter and zoners beat his ass....
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He does fine. It's difficult to do anything online because it's online.

His pressure is amazing and he is a monster in the corner.
 
Big Frog

Big Frog

Kombatant
It honestly takes time using him and figuring out each MU. That goes for anyone I guess, but it really applies to Bane. You will lose a lot at first, but once you start playing smart with him it pays off.

That being said I still suck at this game. Bane is super fun though. :joker:
 
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big_aug

Kombatant
I think he's pretty much a bad ass. I had 5 people rage quit on me today because they couldn't get up. I try to play people with 200+ matches and a good winning record, so they aren't completely horrible.

Seriously though, sometimes people can't get back up through an entire life bar if they are really unlucky. This is especially true for characters that don't have great wake ups. Yes, I get owned by Deathstroke regularly. I suck at walking forward and trying to block at the same time. I need practice.

The good thing about always having full meter is you can close out fights at the end with combos into ridiculous x3 venom supers or finish people of with x3 venom specials. I think Venom Uppercut with MB and x3 venom is 40% by itself...

Edit: And I just learned you can dash block against Deathstroke. That takes care of that matchup.
 
LEGI0N47

LEGI0N47

I like to play bad characters
Crimson Cobra said:
people are starting to say bane's the worst character in the game because he has no use for meter and zoners beat his ass....
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I heard this last night when I joined a survival game. They said all he's got is his rush and that he's ass. Well of the 2 Deathstrokes and a Flash, several Venom uppercuts, spinning punches, a couple ji d+3 into pick your combo and about 5 broken backs spoke to them. Honestly the Deatstroke kid really didn't like my 3x venom EX rush answer to his machine gun spam follwed up by combo starter.

I'm sticking with Bane for the long haul, I like him. Sure some characters give me hell, but I love the challenge, and that camera swing when I break Backs! :D
 
Crimson Cobra

Crimson Cobra

The Ultimate Shadow
it's always fun to beat people down with bane...unfortunately sometimes you run into a difficult obstacle making you question your decision to play as bane
 
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