I was thinking about this last night while I was just playing around on the game. For a while I was with everyone saying don't nerf him the game is only a week old, yadayada, but as I thought more about it, there are characters that don't have a single zoning tool in there arsenal. This is kind of where MK9's balance did come from, almost everyone had some type of projectile move, just like almost every character had a form of teleport, and those that had no teleport had a different form to use for mobility. So far IGAU doens't have but one character I can think of with a teleport move and there are some that have no projectile move, sure a few have attacks that come from the ground, but that still doesn't solve the issues I have been seeing with this DS problem.
I actually think one of the devs said that zoning was going to be strong. I feel like most people prefer rushdown over zoning, but it's certainly their choice to make a zoning heavy game if they want to.
I really think a strong zoning was intended but it feels cheap and very tedious for non zoning players and I think NRS didn't enhance zoning with this consequence in mind.
clearly you havent played MK9
im glad you put your credentials up first so people would actually listen, they dont listen to normal ppl
Zoning wouldn't be so bad if the reward for guessing and dodging your way in didn't have so little reward. In some match ups the zoner can play without fear of punishment or even giving up much room to be threatened. They can guess wrong and still maintain advantage for awhile. This is making zoning a bit brainless as it holds few consequences until they can finally escape.
Can you cite examples or just theorycrafting? Everytime a rush down characters get in, they should be dealing over 30% easy. what zoner can guess wrong and not be blown up at mid screen or less? If you are rush down and your most damaging combo knocks back, then switch to a combo that provides you better oki set-ups and stay on that ass.
That is literally the point. In fighting games zoners are always annoying. It's annoying because you cant fight it the same way you'd fight a different match. You have to change up your game.
Not really, no.
When they get in cant they just be push blocked away stopping them getting their 30% ?
You also had a guide countering this by a guy who won multiple MLGs and got top 2 at EVO....
How does GL beat zoning? The issue with zoning is at fullscreen (no one should be zoning him at lift range). From there it comes down to if the opponent can be threatened by jump bf1 or if they have a better answer such as an AA projectile as well. Bf3 is extremely risky as it can be baited pretty hard and I'm pretty sure it is still unsafe at full screen after going over a whiff due to the long ass recovery. It also has extremely slow start up and you must be at the top of your jump arc to beat some projectiles. His jump rocket also keeps pushing him backwards and you can only advance forward if they get caught jumping. GLs rocket can be ducked and in zoning wars you can't activate the MB versions since you're tieing and the move must be timed, not buffered like other MB projectiles.
99% of consumers dont know what an "oki set-up" mean. It is wrong when new players have do learn all of this while others just pick a zoning char and go easy mode. The game should feel fair and balance to new players, and as the OP said: "It is wrong to force this on newer players."
That first assumes the zoner guessed right and didn't throw out anything unsafe to get punished. that they also have meter to use and the rusher didn't use MBC to counter the push back.
So you want to dumb the game down to COD level's so any dudebro can pick up the controller and mash out shit?
Thats completely wrong, just look at street fighter IV, there is zoning but it doesn't feel annoying, and I'm sure that every developer that create zoning chars doesn' have in mind to annoy players.
My god you're such a stupid, please dont quote me again ever.
Yeah man do. I'm not trying to argue at all just a thought that came into my head. Try Deathstrokes blade spin or something after a pushback, I'm pretty sure he will be able to get them back into a safe distance in a matter of second's.
Why not?
Problem is fullscreen...not midscreen. Fullscreen is easy to obtain for some characters with 1 successful combo, string, MB projectile, or air countered projectile, clash. You can even push block zoning to push out even more.
But the question is will they use characters without zoning tools at tournaments themselves? I heavily doubt.
The point I was making is, people don't magically get fullscreen range away on you. The whole counter zoning idea is to prevent them from escaping.