Match-up Discussion 2013 Ermac MU Chart

[Metzos]

D3 makes throws whiff but i guess that applies for both sides

that D3 of his makes a huge difference, the fact you cant avoid 1121 or 21 after it is huge.

bitch my bird lao gonna come after you like an eagle after snails

You also know that i can stop F3 in its tracks with a well timed d3, since its faster, yes ? 21212 can be punished by lift Qwark. I wouldnt use that too much if i were you. Also 1121 needs to be jailed to become unavoidable. But, as i said, you ll see what i mean tomorrow.

 

[Qwark28]

You also know that i can stop F3 in its tracks with a well timed d3, since its faster, yes ? 21212 can be punished by lift Qwark. I wouldnt use that too much if i were you. Also 1121 needs to be jailed to become unavoidable. But, as i said, you ll see what i mean tomorrow.

so what, youre actually taking the -4 of the roll and turning it into a +2 in KLs favour

1121 doesnt need to jail, you cant poke or neutral crouch the second 1 in 1121 therefore you get hit.

didnt mention 212121212121

 

[Metzos]

so what, youre actually taking the -4 of the roll and turning it into a +2 in KLs favour

1121 doesnt need to jail, you cant poke or neutral crouch the second 1 in 1121 therefore you get hit.

didnt mention 212121212121

So pretty much, what you are saying is that you ll chip me to death, when even JC cant do that against a good Ermac ? Both KL's standing 1 and 2 are true highs which means they can be down poked, that was my point. Same applies for Lao, cause if you expect a down poke and you spin, if Ermac blocks it you are pretty much screwed. Both sides are taking risks there, not only Ermac. And since the damage factor is on my side, you really need to be careful with your pressure.

 

[SonicFox5000]

Mil vs Ermac is only 5.5 4.5 in your favor Ermacs favor lol. How the hell are you going to rush her down? I am just not allowed to tele kick lol. D4 all days 8)

 

[Metzos]

Mil vs Ermac is only 5.5 4.5 in your favor Ermacs favor lol. How the hell are you going to rush her down? I am just not allowed to tele kick lol. D4 all days 8)

Who said anything about rush down ? I ll just zone you to death. D4 can be beaten by deep jk's to lift if you hit confirm it. Up close Mileena wins slightly.

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[SonicFox5000]

Who said anything about rush down ? I ll just zone you to death.

How?

 

[zaf]

Mil vs Ermac is only 5.5 4.5 in your favor Ermacs favor lol. How the hell are you going to rush her down? I am just not allowed to tele kick lol. D4 all days 8)

ermac does not need to rush down . he can stay in tkp range and abuse it.
mil has no quick options to punish tkp, her faster string is 42 and that is too slow.
he can also abuse all of her wake up attacks, because they can all be beaten by tkp and tks.
she takes a lot of chip damage from tkp and grabs when you dash block in.
you want to d4 all day? ermac iafb beats that, and if you mis-space one d4, tks punish
i played this mu with Jer since the game has come out, this is a 6-4 ermac.

 

[Qwark28]

So pretty much, what you are saying is that you ll chip me to death, when even JC cant do that against a good Ermac ? Both KL's standing 1 and 2 are true highs which means they can be down poked, that was my point. Same applies for Lao, cause if you expect a down poke and you spin, if Ermac blocks it you are pretty much screwed. Both sides are taking risks there, not only Ermac. And since the damage factor is on my side, you really need to be careful with your pressure.

jc doesnt have jk divekicks spin tele f3 and in the situation of ermac laos d3 is better

he also forces a guessing game when he blocks a tkp unlike cage who has to get in close, not to mention corner setups but i wont even go there

standing 1= high
standing 2=special MID

1121= HITS CROUCHING after first 1
same applies to anything after 2

i didnt talk about spin, its an option but not a good one

yes, both sides do take risks but its ermac who has to word a bit harder, and you need to be careful punishing shit that doesnt happen with a patient lao

 

[Qwark28]

ermac does not need to rush down ermac.

I agree.

 

[SonicFox5000]

ermac does not need to rush down ermac. he can stay in tkp range and abuse it.
mil has no quick options to punish tkp, her faster string is 42 and that is too slow.
he can also abuse all of her wake up attacks, because they can all be beaten by tkp and tks.
she takes a lot of chip damage from tkp and grabs when you dash block in.
you want to d4 all day? ermac iafb beats that, and if you mis-space one d4, tks punish
i played this mu with Jer since the game has come out, this is a 6-4 ermac.

You gotta play a SonicFox Mileena bro~

 

[GGA Jeremiah]

didnt think ermac had it that easy against lao. but im probably wrong

Actually Ermac does pretty well against Kung Lao. At the very worst it is only 6-4 Kung Lao but it is most likely 5-5. Ermac can punish KL's teleport for something like 40%. Also Ermac punishes blocked dive kicks and spins very nicely.

I remember when Moe30w's Ermac was playing against PL's KL at last year's evo. PL did a teleport, got punished for 40% and PL never did another teleport after that. I also remember PL saying that Moe30w's fight was one of his hardest fights at EVO 2012.

 

[zaf]

Dont worry about it, we are RL friends. We talk like that all the time. Ermac's d3 is one of the best in the game, dont know what you are talking about.

I think his d3 works like this..... it is maybe neutral on block or + depending on the range you hit with it.
If you are point blank and hit someone, you have a part of the active frames and recovery frames to wait.
but if you hit someone with the tip of d3 at the ma range, there are no more active frames to wait, just recovery frames..

 

[Metzos]

How?

TKP's pretty much. All of you specials lose against TKP, even telekick. Also Iab's can keep you out if you start coming in for d4 pressure. Mileena's d4 hit box is huge yes, but her hurt box is also huge while using that move. Also back dash and lift can be used to bait any miscalculated d4's. Btw read my previous post, i edited it.

 

[SonicFox5000]

TKP's pretty much. All of you specials lose against TKP, even telekick. Also Iab's can keep you out if you start coming in for d4 pressure. Mileena's d4 hit box is huge yes, but her hurt box is also huge while using that move. Also back dash and lift can be used to bait any miscalculated d4's. Btw read my previous post, i edited it.

Play a SonicFox Mileena <3

 

[zaf]

You gotta play a SonicFox Mileena bro~

i dont need to play yours, ive played Jers and deaths when he mained her. Both offline too.
I even made death say it was 6-4 in person after toryuken.

even if mil blocks a max or almost max tkp, she cant roll to get in, because another tkp will beat that.
teleport is the same thing, he can grab her as she goes through the ground.

she has a hard time to get in.
when she gets in, all she really has is d4 and 42.
after a 42 you can either do a d3 or ex roll.
or even repeat the 42, or grab.
i know all her options with this string.
she has to take risks and use meter against ermac, that can be troubling because she needs meter to break his combos.
her damage compaired to his, is also another factor

 

[zaf]

I agree.

lololololol

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Lol after talking to Metzos and Zaf I changed it to 4-6. I actually don't know anything about Freddy, I just went off of experience. I guess I haven't played the best Freddys.

Lets play ASAP

 

[Metzos]

Play a SonicFox Mileena <3

her damage compaired to his, is also another factor

Also, this. Ermac is, perhaps, the only character in the game who can punish a blocked telekick and a blocked roll for 32% dmg meterless.

 

[SonicFox5000]

i dont need to play yours, ive played Jers and deaths when he mained her. Both offline too.
I even made death say it was 6-4 in person after toryuken.

even if mil blocks a max or almost max tkp, she can roll to get in, because another tkp will beat that.
teleport is the same thing, he can grab her as she goes through the ground.

she has a hard time to get in.
when she gets in, all she really has is d4 and 42.
after a 42 you can either do a d3 or ex roll.
or even repeat the 42, or grab.
i know all her options with this string.
she has to take risks and use meter against ermac, that can be troubling because she needs meter to break his combos.
her damage compaired to his, is also another factor

WEll true, his damage output is amazing, But I play comepletely different from Jer and Death. I only say this because I used to main Ermac lol. Dropped him for stryker, then for mileena lol

 

[zaf]

Metzos, i found a new ermac combo for punishes.
roll out animations like, mil roll or any of the teleports like ermac and scorpion.
So insstead of a roll punish for 32%, i have one for 39% now.

As soon as they are rolling in the air, instant jk~teleport jk~teleport d1~lift dash b12f1 dash tkp

 

[SonicFox5000]

Metzos, i found a new ermac combo for punishes.
roll out animations like, mil roll or any of the teleports like ermac and scorpion.
So insstead of a roll punish for 32%, i have one for 39% now.

As soon as they are rolling in the air, instant jk~teleport jk~teleport d1~lift dash b12f1 dash tkp

No NJP?

 

[Qwark28]

even if mil blocks a max or almost max tkp, she can roll to get in, because another tkp will beat that.

this doesnt make sense

qwarks post stalking service for drinking and posting has detected another flaw

 

[zaf]

WEll true, his damage output is amazing, But I play comepletely different from Jer and Death. I only say this because I used to main Ermac lol. Dropped him for stryker, then for mileena lol

you play crack mileena. which i feel would just kill herself against ermac
then again, i have never played you and we both have been at every east coast tourney except this past WB

 

[Metzos]

Metzos, i found a new ermac combo for punishes.
roll out animations like, mil roll or any of the teleports like ermac and scorpion.
So insstead of a roll punish for 32%, i have one for 39% now.

As soon as they are rolling in the air, instant jk~teleport jk~teleport d1~lift dash b12f1 dash tkp

I already have a 47% dmg meterless combo for roll animations. I have been telling it for almost a year now. Apparently no one was listening.

 

[Qwark28]

Metzos, i found a new ermac combo for punishes.
roll out animations like, mil roll or any of the teleports like ermac and scorpion.
So insstead of a roll punish for 32%, i have one for 39% now.

As soon as they are rolling in the air, instant jk~teleport jk~teleport d1~lift dash b12f1 dash tkp

metzos uses b2 b1 lift and it ends to 48%

i was unfortunate enough to try a scorpion iatp