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From what I can tell, they seem equal. I really can't find any difference between the two, other than 2 granting you a bit more damage.
From what I can tell, they seem equal. I really can't find any difference between the two, other than 2 granting you a bit more damage.
Anything farther than sweep range can hit JC, like Mileena's D4.
ANYTHING beyond sweep? For instance:
Thanks for the link. I went to the Cage Forum first but obviously didn't do a good enough job searching.
None of them. Only JC's ex forceball gives advantage on block.
SO whats the big deal with thos JC frame traps?:]
The only normals that you will see Johnny use, that are more than 9 frames, are B3 and F4 and maybe D4. Almost everything is safe, the only thing that gives him disadvantage on block that you will see are B3, F33 and 21F2 (if you see F2 that's an input error). Pretty much everything gives him advantage on hit. JC gains meter insanely fast, meaning you'll see those ex forceball traps often. Sure you can crouch, but seeing as half the things he does are overhead, it's easier said than done. Block string mix ups are ridiculous. His D1 is, in my opinion, one of the best in the game. Try and jump out of his block strings that leave him neutral and you'll get anti-aired with d1, leading to a nut punch combo. Try and D1 him and there's no guarantee his d1 won't win. Even then, he can block your d1 and punish on anticipation. JC's anti-airs are one of the best in the game. Uppercut is 7 frames with insane range, flip kick is 9 frames with even more range, d1 has a big hitbox and his crouching hit box is small, standing 1 is another good anti-air, B3 is great against jump ins, even F4 isn't a bad anti-air and force balls will make you think twice about jumping at any part of the screen. Then there's that shadow kick, which at midrange is pretty much like raiden's superman but with less wall carry. ex nut punch also has invincibility.
why is he the only good cage?
Your right there may be "good" cages out there but none that have made any top placings. Playing online or at your local tourney is alot different then playing at a big tournament. So IMO the only cage player was Jop, until proven otherwise.
agree to disagree on a couple things but technically you're right. If they aren't winning, they aren't as good.
He is so weird... because his normals and stuff are poke able ... yet he can stop strings to mess your timing. Because they are all so fast, the pressure can really get to a player, at any level. It helps that JC has a favorable match up against Kung Lao and Jax. He reminds me of something that was posted about SF and the shoryuken. Being random with your strings and causing your opponent to hesitate is JC's thing. Thats what random Shoryuken's do in SF. I know they are different games, but the randomness still applies. I think he is above average when played this way... but average when he is "flow charted".
I've won 2 events with him and came 4th at SVB. Cage has the power, dont underplay your character. He isnt a crappy character at all, a good workman never blames his tools.
111 gives more advantage from my tests, plus I'd rather do 11 ex force ball.
Just had a look now, could only see the advantage by eye but they seem pretty similar.
Using 11 for ex force ball would also be great to mix up with. 11 gives the more advantage than 111 (I think, it was hard to test by myself cuz 11 whiffs on crouch). It's also good for ermac where 11, 11 ex force ball connects, 13 ex force ball connects, etc etc. For reptile, 11, 11, 11 ex force ball connects and 13 ex forceball. It's great to mix up strings. F2 ex force ball also connects for both of them, so if there's any use for that god forsaken normal, that's one. Can't force ball trap reptile in the corner though.
I was mainly talking about usa, but one thing i have noticed about the eu scene is IMO they have no clue how to get out of cage strings. I watched your guyses last tournament and i think it was u vs some mileena and that mileena player literally had not clue what to do. Cage is not at advantage on any blocked string but it seems like from what ive seen of the eu guys they block and dont know when to poke out or jump out. Still though, i think you would do pretty good in the US just not like in EU.
