Match-up Discussion LBSH Cyrax is Broken Mu Chart

[YOMI DJT]

Rain doesn't need meter for his huge damage, and cyrax doesn't get much without it outside the corner, EX Roundhouse having super armour makes footsies difficult, and rains standing 4 is a problem. from my experience anyway.

rains 4 can be poked under and d4 definitely more reach than any of rain's normals.

 

[YOMI DJT]

L B S H

When has a Terry Brother ever been wrong? Im not sarcastic - Im dead SERIOUS

I was definitely playing around on the kenshi number but most of this chart is serious. cyrax destroys alot of characters and can be pretty risky because of that net. kenshi's brokeness is pretty even with rax's cant deny that

 

[YOMI DJT]

Idk about cyrax winning over jade 7-3..

6-4 sounds about right

na cyrax destroys her upclose and can be way more riskier. the jade has to play perfect. cyrax can play bad the whole fight and get one net and win.

 

[Sultani]

You get one mistake against cyrax. He's broken as shit. end.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

I was definitely playing around on the kenshi number but most of this chart is serious. cyrax destroys alot of characters and can be pretty risky because of that net. kenshi's brokeness is pretty even with rax's cant deny that

So is the KL number a bit of an exaggeration too or is is there truth to it?

 

[Axel_Redd]

nope its a 4-6 lao, i refuse to accept that lao has a 3-7. Go ahead i'm not afraid of your anti-air!!!

 

[YOMI DJT]

LBSH no one on the West Coast plays Baraka as well as me or Tetra. I know Dab's been playing Cyrax lately, and I've been playing him online a lot too. Ask him if he thinks it's 7-3.

it doesn't matter you're forgetting me and my bro play about the whole cast at decent lvl or higher. I do know Baraka and I guarantee I will win most of the matches if I play any baraka with rax its bad for raka. Rax just outclasses this tarakatan fully. Come visit us in vegas and play baraka I'll change your mind about that match so quickly.

 

[ETC AdmiralAugustus]

You'll be smitten...

 

[YOMI DJT]

So is the KL number a bit of an exaggeration too or is is there truth to it?

kl is destroyed by rax. 7-3. with no teleports at all at any angle no jumping at all. kl has to stay completely on the ground vs rax and can't be as risky as rax.

 

[Axel_Redd]

i'm not afraid to jump or teleport vs rax....lol, i'll do it at just the right time. i don't fear hellfire nor do i fear anti-air

 

[YOMI DJT]

Lightning punishes cyrax everytime he opens his chest for free, you can trade it with nets & still be at advantage.
Rain does 40-48% meterless & has a longer reaching normal.
Rain doesnt have to use his meter on anything other than Ex bubble, which stops Cyrax from doing resets.

Doesnt sound like a 7-3 to me.

doesn't have to sound like a 7-3. plus d4 goes further than anything rain is throwing out. rain can't zone at all. what is he going to do just walk up on rax for free? rain has a huge hitbox for cyrax to destroy. and can get riskier than rain. rain has to completely outplay rax to win it. Im still feeling 7-3. picking rain vs rax just isn't a good decision unless you main the purple ninja imo

 

[YOMI DJT]

i'm not afraid to jump or teleport vs rax....lol, i'll do it at just the right time. i don't fear hellfire nor do i fear anti-air

then the rax will win off air grabs that's fine. air grab every single jump telport etc. no air game for lao and he doesn't have a good enough zoning to keep rax away.

 

[Axel_Redd]

then the rax will win off air grabs that's fine. air grab every single jump telport etc. no air game for lao and he doesn't have a good enough zoning to keep rax away.

its not like im going to mindlessly jump at him lol. i'll bait those air grabs. its 4-6

 

[NYCj360]

Ahhem. . . I just have played Denzel's cyrax. And i'd also suggest that none of the Cyrax players you have fought are on the level of Denzel's (Hey, i can do it to )

Anyway you guys are missing a key factor here, This chart has a different view of what a 6-4 and 7-3 are. Every MU that would usually be called a Bad but manageable 4-6 is being put as 3-7, which is basically just rounding up from .5s.

You can't tell me that the Disadvantage in this MU will only effect ONE GAME in a set of 10, I know 3-7 seems like much but its not that unreasonable if you think about it

The problem is that it deviates from the way we all pretty much weigh out the matchups. If its a different outlook on what a 6-4 or 7-3 is then how can we compare to any of the other legit matchup charts?

 

[The Green Machine]

Reptile Cyrax is 5-5

 

[LEGEND]

The problem is that it deviates from the weigh we all pretty much way out the matchups. If its a different outlook on what a 6-4 or 7-3 is then how can we compare to any of the other legit matchup charts?

by using .5s or by making this standard

 

[Gruntypants]

The amount of up playing in this thread is disturbing.

 

[Axel_Redd]

The problem is that it deviates from the way we all pretty much weigh out the matchups. If its a different outlook on what a 6-4 or 7-3 is then how can we compare to any of the other legit matchup charts?

when we gonna get sum Cyrax&Lao mathups going yo?

 

[Enenra]

Reptile Cyrax is 5-5

THTB STB Chongo Cossner

 

[Chongo]

I in my scrubby, online tainted opinion, think that Cyrax-Reptile is a 4-6.

 

[The Green Machine]

Okay, Enerna

but seriously, it's more of 6-4. If reptile is blindly dashing then it might be 7-3 but good spacing, fb placement, spit, exffb, dash, and ex slide can limit the amount of bombs Cyrax can put on the ground. Also reptile has the fastest back walking speed, so he always just walk back from the bombs and react to the nets while still putting fbs on screen.

 

[Grolarbears]

I don't really comment on mu charts anymore, but out of curiosity, why do you think it is 7-3 against Noob? I play C88_Nit3mare offline all the time, and I've never felt it was that bad. Sure, Noob has to work more then Cyrax, but I don't think Rax wrecks him at 7-3. Maybe it's because I play disadvantageous mus so often, they don't feel that disadvantageous. lol. #lowtierproblems

 

[THTB]

by using .5s or by making this standard

.5s don't really do anything aside from 5.5s.

There's too much of a different view in this chart, that's for sure. But one thing Denzell is 100% correct about, Cyrax gets really good damage in scenarios other characters don't really get that much. Who knows, though...maybe Denzel is right. Think about the various situations Cyrax can land a reset on you for punishing strong tools of another character.

 

[Axel_Redd]

.5s don't really do anything aside from 5.5s.

There's too much of a different view in this chart, that's for sure. But one thing Denzell is 100% correct about, Cyrax gets really good damage in scenarios other characters don't really get that much. Who knows, though...maybe Denzel is right. Think about the various situations Cyrax can land a reset on you for punishing strong tools of another character.

his damage is good yes....but its still only a 6-4 over KL and possibly reptile.

 

[ShadowBeatz]

I actually agree with a lot of this, but at the risk of being labelled as a "Cyrax downplayer" (which I am far from), I have minor disagreements on a few match-ups....

Reptile 7-3
Scorpion 8-2
Sheeva 9-1

Reptile 6-4: I don't see how this is 7-3 and not 6-4. Reptile has armor on his slide and can armor through a Net before Cyrax has time to recover. Plus, his forceball zoning is underrated imo, and the best way to fight Cyrax is to zone him out (just about his only weakness). Mix-in acid spits and forceballs to give Cyrax trouble. I still think this favors Cyrax, definitely, just not to the point where it's 7-3

Scorpion 8-2: I can't call this 8-2.... especially when you look at the other 8-2 match-ups in this game, I don't think Cyrax/Scorpion can be put in that category. This is 7-3. Scorp can EX-Spear Net for a vortex shenanigans and, if you space it well enough, even the bombs, which is viable-ish. That said, 7-3 is still difficult for Scorpion and I'm not saying Cyrax has to work really hard (Cyrax destroys Scorpion in footsies...), but not to the tune of 8-2

Sheeva 9-1: Come on, not 9-1 lol. The only Sheeva that I ever really play is Lumpymoomilk, and I don't mean any disrespect to him by saying this (seeing as he said it himself earlier in this thread), but he plays a very simple Sheeva as opposed to Jeremiah and his safe BF3 frame-trap stuff, and it's not a runaway victory for Cyrax. Have to respect here armor is all. Again, I just want to lower it one point to an 8-2, because this isn't Kenshi against Jade we're talking here

Everything else I agree on. He does have a shitload of match-ups that are well in his favor because he's just a beast. It's refreshing to see a match-up chart that doesn't downplay him (and I say that assuming you've picked him up and have grinded out some match-ups).

Also, one more thing....

Kung Lao 7-3

If this is true, then WHO WANTS TO HELP ME GRIND THIS OUT SO I CAN SEE THE DAMN LIGHT, because if I'm getting bodied in a match-up that is 7-3 in my favor, then fuck me running. This guy gives me so many problems, but Denzell isn't the first person to say Cyrax owns Lao, so I guess I need some help