Getting back to the recent topic:
You don't need a fast sweep to simply avoid projectiles, but a fast sweep is beneficial vs characters like Kitana and Nightwolf. It eliminates a part of their game, and the timing required to sweep their rush, especially in fast situations, just isn't there online, giving them back the advantage in some ways and creating false critical points. It changes their tactics, making them less effective because what they normally do doesn't work as well vs sweepers. I mean, if you can't understand that I don't know what else to say.
The difference between a good Stryker and a good Reptile is huge. If only an expert Reptile can be in the top 10, then only a God Stryker can as well. Reptile has big combos and very useful tactics, plus invisibility. There's no way he isn't in the top tier because some of you think he's too hard to use. He wasn't hard to use back in the day, maybe it's just the level of competition on XBL has reached a plateau. Everyone in the top 10 has a combination of factors going for them, and as the tier list goes lower, the characters have less and less overall options, strengths, etc. Getting down to the bottom, low combos, weak tactics, nothing very special, abusive, etc, and true difficulty of use. Stryker has big combos, but no truly useful tactics, not to say he doesn't have unique tactics. Scorpion's damage is dependent on punishment, but he has the teleport and air throw. If he had big ground damage...well he'd be Human Smoke, and in the top tier.
I am actually very surprised no one has tried to argue down Jade to the bottom tier yet.
When I mentioned the exaggerated and dishonest match ups for Stryker, it was because of how little explaining there was and the almost arbitrary comparisons. There is very little taking into account of the other characters obvious strengths over Stryker. Stryker is absolutely not top tier.
Darxyde was the one who said that a good Stryker is top tier, I went further to say the same could be said about a few other characters, but that again just shows the effort vs efficiency. Throwing around the words "good" and "great" to differentiate character potential starts to become subjective. While many people think I have a great or even expert Reptile, I would only consider him to be a borderline good/great. Although is there a difference between great and expert? I dunno, it's a weird way to word things. I can push him to top 3 only sometimes. Ded's would be expert, and an expert Reptile is top 3, as one bad teleport from Human Smoke = end of round, and technically one bad spin with Kabal, or, one pop up from Reptile, or one stray force ball. That's where the difference comes into play. The reason why that is important is because most of what Reptile does would lead to the infinite. A good Reptile should be breaking 50%, and if a good Stryker also breaks 50%, then that means it comes down to their tactics, and Reptile is far superior.
I post reasonable responses to people and I try to sort out what might be misinformation. If you didn't notice, there was a good stretch where I didn't even bother responding to things people said because it was so ridiculous. Netplay hurts tactical characters. I find it funny that you see Lex's point when he says that netplay is no good, and you even compare it to playing basketball outdoors, but you argue til the end of time with me. You say you play 2 people regularly offline, that you played in the past, and that's great, but your singular experience isn't enough.
As has been stated, aside from a few infinites, most of which are unusable in gameplay, there's been nothing earth shattering discovered by anyone in years. It's one thing when people discuss the tier list, but you yourself said there is no right or wrong answer. So, I will just allow people to post whatever they want, in fact, here's an idea.
Anyone who wants to keep posting their personal tier lists, do it up. Whether you want to explain it or not. I am going to work on a character over time with just strengths to start, and make some kind of points system. This system will of course not factor in tournament outcomes, character selection and tournament appearance frequency, or player strategy at all. It's not going to be a traditional tier list concept, but it'll be a different list, maybe even something similar to that of Kombat Veteran's Fantasy Matrix he never did. I will check this thread for that info in a month.
