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No practical use as in that shit wouldn't work against Dominican or Shock or DC or Shaney. Cyrax is trash and you can't prove otherwise I would like to see you try. I don't even have to block against Shock's Cyrax. Come on, that's gotta say something when Shock is obviously not a joke same with Konqrr. Cyrax is a joke any teleporter rapes him for free.
Can and has.

KID PLZ LISTEN DO I HAVE TO PLAY WITH U AGAIN TO PROVE TO YOU THAT SHEEVA IS ON TOP OF CYRAX AND 10 MORE CHARACTERS.
The only thing those matches proved is that the Cyrax vs. Sheeva matchup is greatly in favor of Sheeva, which I already knew. One matchup doesn't move someone up in tier lists.
 
Can and has.



The only thing those matches proved is that the Cyrax vs. Sheeva matchup is greatly in favor of Sheeva, which I already knew. One matchup doesn't move someone up in tier lists.
AGAIN 20 TO 1 18 BABY'S COME ON MAN.

YOU HAVE TO LEARN THAT IN THIS LIFE THAT WHEN U DONT KNOW SOMETHING U STAY SHUT CAUSE PEOPLE MIGHT MAKE U LOOK STUPID LIKE NOW.

SORRY IF I SOUND RUDE, BUT I DONT LIKE THAT.
 

Derek

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Realmente deseo que usted dejara de decir el español, cargando a este traductor alegre cada vez realmente de mierda chupa. = (
 
Sheeva es una bestia cuando el CD la utiliza. Pink, pienso que correctos sobre que es mejor. Pero todavía no está por mucho.

SheevaはCDが彼女を使用するとき獣である。ピンク、私はそれで正しいよりよいと考える。 しかしそれは多くを支持してまだない。
 
Sheeva es una bestia cuando el CD la utiliza. Pink, pienso que correctos sobre que es mejor. Pero todavía no está por mucho.

SheevaはCDが彼女を使用するとき獣である。ピンク、私はそれで正しいよりよいと考える。 しかしそれは多くを支持してまだない。


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Sheeva es una bestia cuando el CD la utiliza. Pink, pienso que correctos sobre que es mejor. Pero todavía no está por mucho.

SheevaはCDが彼女を使用するとき獣である。ピンク、私はそれで正しいよりよいと考える。 しかしそれは多くを支持してまだない。

LOL asi mismo PHOENIX dile a ese noob que no hable lo que no sabe LOL.
 
LOL asi mismo PHOENIX dile a ese noob que no hable lo que no sabe LOL.
¡Todo lo que sé es que usted es una bestia con Sheeva, y usted hace su grada superior!! LOL, de que es todo lo que sé

私が知っているすべてはSheevaの獣である、彼女の上層を!作ることであり! LOLは、それ私が知っているすべてである
 

Shock

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The last one was Russian.

As for the defense, Sheeva's is rough mainly because of her sprite size, and her glitched ducking block which hurts her a lot vs rush down characters. She's a bigger character so she catches close range upward JKs constantly, as well as upward JPS to combo, which is a sudden surprising tactic that must be predicted and anticipated.

Things like Cyrax's bomb break infinite, and Shang's ground eruption infinite make it impossible for either of them to be last for starters, and anyone who can relaunch infinite Sheeva is above her as well. The only character Sheeva has a claim against is Mileena, logically, because they are back to back in the bottom tier, and there's no way Sheeva is above the bottom tier, in the instance it would put her beyond all of them for some reason that doesn't exist.

One of Sheeva's important tactics, grounded JK to teleport stomp, doesn't work vs Mileena because of the roll, and sets up a free juggle for Mileena. Mileena's sai shot lock down works better against Sheeva than most characters because Sheeva is taller. On top of that, female ninja run jabs as well. Sheeva's problem is, her strategy vs everyone is the sameand can be described as a way to beat any character "when applied perfectly" which doesn't make for a case on better tier placement, it in fact keeps her right where she is. She's a robotic character, and just because Crazy can use her well, doesn't mean she's better than any character. Crazy could beat most people using only normal moves so it really says nothing for Sheeva at all. Sheeva is, without a doubt, the most limited character in the game, fortunately she has some powerful combos.
 

Birkin

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Sheeva is not the most limited character. You can get 50% combo on many characters off the ground, and 40+ on those who can counter the 50% combo (be it with a spin or a roll). Her HK's have a very nice range and her rushdown is nothing to joke with. Two of her moves are unblockable and are pretty fast in comparison to Mileena's roll and tp kick. Her fireball has an almost instant start up time, travels fast, hits hard, has a big collision box, but can be scouted and punished (jump over the fireball). Even then, jumping over the fireball might land you a single kick/punch while you take the full damage from the fireball if it's timed correctly.

You shouldn't even compare Mileena to Sheeva. That purple bitch has nothing but bad moves at her disposal, two out of her three pitiful special moves are easily blocked (online, which means it would be even easier offline right?) by anyone with average reflexes, and both those blocked moves leave you open for BIG punishment. Then you have the Sai Shot, which you can try to spam, but is easily countered... say you're playing Sheeva vs Mileena and you're going to spam Sai's, I'll do my fireball, let's see who dies first...

Talking about relaunches is out of the question, nobody has the timing to pull off relaunch after relaunch without ever failing. Using the relaunch logic, Classic Sub-Zero is better than all the other characters he can relaunch because if a perfect being with perfect timing could always relaunch, 60-70% (catching someone full screen is rare) combos all the time. I know you were talking about Sheeva with that relaunch argument, but I'm just trying to show you that relaunching isn't as effective as raw base damage.
 

Shock

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There are some characters whose tactics outweigh the potential for scoring an infinite, and I've met scrubs who relaunch til the corner. Dependence upon what the other player is going to do is a very bad way to try and rank a character. Saying that Mileena's moves are all easily blockable is absurd. Why would anyone only ever do her moves when they are blockable, or even predictable, I mean, there are plenty of times when they aren't. Sai is easily countered? With Sheeva or anyone? If done right, Mileena can sai shot, land and block before Sheeva's fireball hits her. Sheeva has big combos, some tactics with her knee combo, a good HK, and some tactics with the teleport stomp. All of which require a lot of effort. I guess you're saying Mileena is more limited than Sheeva?
 

dreemernj

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It's a shame none of sheeva's specials are as good as Mileena's roll. If they were, Mileena might belong below her.
 
All of which require a lot of effort.
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I'm not going to say where Sheeva belongs on the tier list, but I will say IMO she takes too much effort to be good with. It may not seem that way when you play CD but that's because he's good with her. Actually, CD is the only player that comes to mind when Sheeva is mentioned.
 

Shock

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Sheeva has a sleeper factor about her, where as since so few people use her, you're not always prepared for what she's going to do, but she doesn't have enough good things about her that are abusable, or rewarding to outright say she belongs above anyone. Having that been said, I can beat lots of players with Hugo in SFA3, including players who use someone like Ken who would be ranked similary to Human Smoke or Kung Lao, but Hugo's ranked 2nd to last, and I know exactly why.