General MK9 Frame Data Info

[UsedForGlue]

The Stage sizes, Walk speeds, and Dashes are fantastic, Thank you.

 

[Eh SnOwY]

Very nice!

 

[Flagg]

CSZ has the slowest walk and the fastest dash, this is something i've suspected for awhile, but Mileena and Sheeva have really fast walks AND dashes! That I did not know.

 

[NkdSingularity]

How quickly can a dash be cancelled? Say I input as fast as I can, Rains is 10 frames how many frames total?
This would be great to know for punish options, whether a faster move that you need to dash forward for or a slower move with enough range w/out dashing gives the better chance of a punish.

 

[Somberness]

CSZ has the slowest walk and the fastest dash, this is something i've suspected for awhile, but Mileena and Sheeva have really fast walks AND dashes! That I did not know.

So far, nothing I have posted says a lot about the fastest dashes. Just how long it takes to complete.

How quickly can a dash be cancelled? Say I input as fast as I can, Rains is 10 frames how many frames total?
This would be great to know for punish options, whether a faster move that you need to dash forward for or a slower move with enough range w/out dashing gives the better chance of a punish.

At any time. I think I am going to have to assign values to to points in the stage and then see how far each character moves and how fast they get there. Here is an image of Kitana's and Reptile's dash length. http://i.imgur.com/C3zu7.jpg They look similar, Reptile's is about 1/8 shorter. The difference is Kitana gets to that point after 11 frames while Reptile takes 19. I haven't figured out the exact formula to calculate rank, but I think this is how I am going to measure it.

 

[THTB]

Nice to see the walk speed and dash rankings up. Can't wait to see the acceleration rankings as well. Reptile gets to full screen fastest on backwards walk, but it starts so slow.

 

[Z-911-Z]

Man, I didn't know that Shang's backwards walk was very fast. Maybe I should try doing that instead of backdashing all the time when I'm trying to zone the aggressor characters.

 

[eskuAdradit0]

Man, I didn't know that Shang's backwards walk was very fast. Maybe I should try doing that instead of backdashing all the time when I'm trying to zone the aggressor characters.

It was explained months ago in Belial's guide.
http://testyourmight.com/threads/shang-tsung-guide-ver-2.8139/

Go for "movement"

 

[Z-911-Z]

It was explained months ago in Belial's guide.
http://testyourmight.com/threads/shang-tsung-guide-ver-2.8139/

Go for "movement"

Yeah, I feel like a moron for never realizing that in my testing. ._.

Too used to blockdashing all the time I guess, lul.

 

[Death]

Whats the adv on block when you do a jump in punch and the opponent blocks.

 

[1man3letters]

Whats the adv on block when you do a jump in punch and the opponent blocks.

16 to 18 frames i think

 

[Death]

NVM its +16. I just remmebered. It used to be +20 pre patch.

 

[Dizzy]

NVM its +16. I just remmebered. It used to be +20 pre patch.

I think the patch changed it so it still gives the same cancel advantage when you cancel it into a string (+16 or whatever) but if you do not cancel it into a string it is neutral.

There is no reason not to cancel into a string unless you're going for a throw obviously, so all it does is eliminate the free throw mix up if you choose to mash or jump, guessing that they will throw.

Edit: Actually it says it in the first post, cancel advantage is 14-18 depending on height and it is neutral on block.

 

[Playpal]

Whats the adv on block when you do a jump in punch and the opponent blocks.

Original post has it as 0

 

[Somberness]

I added two different forward dash ranks. This is because the first one doesn't say much as every character is pretty close together and it would not show how fast they are actually moving. I also did not use what I was going to as some characters don't really stick their feet out when dashing so it wasn't really fair. The 2nd rank had some rounding because just determining where the character was centered had some of my opinion. Here's an example: Skarlet and Sonya are at pretty much the same position after 10 frames.

Spoiler

Prinzmetal, yeah, all of them do.

 

[Prinz]

Somberness, how do the 11 frames of invincibility work on wake-up? Do all wake-up moves have 11 invi-frames, like if Jade's shadow kick is 15 execution, on wake-up it'll have 11 invi-frames and 3 vulnerable?

 

[Prinz]

Hey Somberness, I noticed that aerial special attacks seem to cancel out of whiffed aerial normals. Can you confirm, just to be sure?

 

[THTB]

Hey Somberness, I noticed that aerial special attacks seem to cancel out of whiffed aerial normals. Can you confirm, just to be sure?

Yes they do.

 

[Aidan]

Somberness Can you do splat (or whatever it's called) knockdown data? Thanks

 

[Somberness]

Somberness Can you do splat (or whatever it's called) knockdown data? Thanks

If you are talking about the advantage, it depends on the move that was used. An approximation of a neutral jump punch splat is listed.

 

[CURBOLICOUS]

Somberness I have noticed that wakeups get invincibility but also notice it too when I try to continue pressure when an opponent is knocked down and they jump over. Moves such as d4 and d1 doesnt hit them. I want to know if there is any invincibility if I just sit there and let my character stand up on his own and I want to know how much. I've stood up bymyself and didn't get hit by d4/d3 so I was woundering if they whiffed or if I actually get invincibility off of that.

 

[Somberness]

Somberness I have noticed that wakeups get invincibility but also notice it too when I try to continue pressure when an opponent is knocked down and they jump over. Moves such as d4 and d1 doesnt hit them. I want to know if there is any invincibility if I just sit there and let my character stand up on his own and I want to know how much. I've stood up bymyself and didn't get hit by d4/d3 so I was woundering if they whiffed or if I actually get invincibility off of that.

There is regular knockdown invincibility when just getting up normally, just in the beginning. I'm not sure if there is a set amount as each knockdown takes a different amount of frames to get up and it isn't tied to to the wake up attack advantage.. But that would be something essential to add.

 

[Aidan]

With unblocking taking 1 frame, does that mean it takes a minimum of a 2 frame window for raiden to teleport out of a strIng?

 

[Somberness]

With unblocking taking 1 frame, does that mean it takes a minimum of a 2 frame window for raiden to teleport out of a strIng?

It is only if you are holding block and then immediately try and do something. You can release block before recovery ends. This is all just going from the visual block animation. You do need 2 frames to get out of something with teleport though, as the first frame is vulnerable.

 

[Bildslash]

Somberness

So unblocking takes 1 frame apparently. Is this accounted for in your block advantage numbers for every character or do we need to add 1 frame to all those numbers?