What is Wrong With These People!? - The U.S. Politics Discussion Thread

[Enenra]

What's that? Maybe I'll try it since this thread gives me a headache lol.

It's where you rub high fluoride content toothpaste on your nipples and tape it there.

I shit you not, welcome back to high school.

 

[MKF30]

It's where you rub high fluoride content toothpaste on your nipples and tape it there.

I shit you not, welcome back to high school.

WTF lol, dude never heard of that...sounds interesting lol.

I've heard of people getting high from piss and shit mixed up into this pinkish matter, and getting high from the fumes. It was on the news called Jenkem? lmao, I forget what they called it lol but geez...it's just amazing people will do to get high. You'd think an aerosol can would be easier lol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkem#2007_to_present

 

[Enenra]

WTF lol, dude never heard of that...sounds interesting lol.

I've heard of people getting high from piss and shit mixed up into this pinkish matter, and getting high from the fumes. It was on the nooze, I forget what they called it lol but geez...it's just amazing people will do to get high. You'd think an aerosol can would be easier lol.

You can paste at school and get away with it is the turn on.

 

[MKF30]

You can paste at school and get away with it is the turn on.

Oh wait, wait I think I remember something vague about "kids doing something to nipples at school" but wasn't aware of the "name" lol.

Anywho, more on that "piss/shit" high called Jenkem lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkem#2007_to_present

 

[aj1701]

Dude, it's just my opinion ok...and trust me, if people want it BAD enough they'll get weed, it's not like it's that hard to get...ever hear of the black market? lol as long as whatever is illegal, there's always demand for it on the black market, if you know people who know people it's easy as pie to get. Well, there you go, and yes I've said that before. I don't know why you have an issue with my views. I said when the topic of weed first came up. "I fully support weed for medical purposes only...just not recreational"

So I'm not sure what I said there that offended you and so many like this eks kid. Did I ever say I think people should be sentenced to jail or something for it? Hell no, I think people if anything should get a fine for it something small but jailtime for smoking weed? I think that should be for killers and serious offenders, terrorists etc not some punk stoner getting high.

Its annoying because its inconsistent with someone who says they value personal freedom. You take that opinion to the poll and vote for people that keep it illegal, so no, its not "just your opinion" anymore. You act on your opinion in such a way as to interfer with other people's lives.

Why do you think people should even pay a fine? It seems to be just because you don't approve of it.

And then you give some nonsense about the black market? Are you REALLY ok with black markets filling this demand? How does that even make sense, given that black markets DO kill people to get their stuff onto the street?

Nothing about your position is logical. Then throw in that you seem to have no problem with alcohol, its really just mind boggling.

 

[Espio]

Wanting to have the black market fulfill the demand is more a promotion of social decay and crime than legalizing any drug ever would be to this society. The same goes for prostituiton.

The government nor the public has any right to tell people what they can consume, provided they are not hurting anybody (i.e. stealing, injuring people, etc). The desire for people to insert themselves into other people's lives is why government has expanded over the years. Victimless crimes are a burden to the taxpayer and increase our prison population with non-dangerous criminals.

Drug users should not be in jail with murderers and rapists nor should prostitutes, I can go out right now and have sex with 40 people, but it only becomes illegal if I make money off of it...how does that make any sense?

 

[rev0lver]

@Revol,

I did learn these things 10 years ago when you were in diapers, thanks...and already know heavy weed smokers=impair you judgement. Don't believe me, fine dude lol. Like I said earlier believe what you want. You are apparently color blind to this topic when it comes to "weed messing with brain chemistry" on any level...uh, I don't care about what "everyone else" who btw isn't everyone on this site, but a few of your little groupies that I really don't care about, means nothing. I know tons of people outside of this site who agree with me, so your point? I'm hardly out of anyone's league, you're the one that's wrong and living in denial but I find it amusing at this point. BTW, to prove my theory. Play me in MK sober, see how you do, then play high as hell and see how you do...if the results "are the same" then we'll talk. Later

You sir, are ridiculous. Why do you claim to "know" these things? Who told you them? I was told the same things you spew, yet I actually looked at what science has to say about it and found out much of what I was told about marijuana was wrong. However, this is because I am open to change and being wrong. I used to be a devout christian, anti-any kind of drug, into 9/11 conspiracies, and opposed to the idea of being gay. This only came from what the people around me told me, but I later found out there's reason to question that.

Whoever agrees with you doesn't matter. What you think you know doesn't matter. What science actually says does matter, which I have had to point out repeatedly throughout this thread. This isn't a matter of personal opinion. When science tells you that something you think is wrong, it doesn't make it right when you blindly stick to your own belief. I have science on my side, you have personal opinions with no apparent basis on your side. You are just too afraid to admit you are wrong.

Yes, weed has an effect when you smoke it. That's not what's being questioned here. Though, may I point out that the worst thing you'll probably do when you're high is eat a whole box of Oreos. What's being questioned is the long-term effects of weed when you're not under the influence. As far as science can tell us, there is no link between long-term effects of marijuana and mental impairment.

 

[rev0lver]

How the hell would weed reduce crime? lol The only thing it'll do is stop weed on the black market, big whoop. As far as reducing crime? My ass...personal freedoms, yes I'm all for that.

Do you know how much that would do if marijuana was taken away from the black market? It's one of the largest cash crops in America. This is bigger than I think you imagine. It would be devastating to the drug gangs, not just the ones here but those sick cartels in Mexico too.

 

[Espio]

It's not even just the drug cartels that use drug profits to fund themselves there are militias in Colombia and Afghanistan (which we're fighting in the war on drugs), who are profiting off of all these drugs. You cannot destroy the demand for these drugs, which is quite high in America, no number bombs, global meddling, bullets or diplomatic grandstanding is going to change the reality that the people of America are a huge drug market.


The United States' government has effectively made it so these countries remain in a perpetual state of instability without reason.

It doesn't take this many decades to win a war.

The United States v.s. Drugs is 0-10 in favor of drugs.

Drugs have been used for over a millenia by shamans, priests and religious leaders, and countless others.

How pretentious of anyone to think they can defeat something that not only isn't inherently harmful, but that has been a staple in some religious ceremonies for countless years throughout the world.

Recreational drug use is a victimless crime, we spend so much money meddling, money we could use to actually make a difference at home and abroad.

 

[Verstande]

It's not even just the drug cartels that use drug profits to fund themselves there are militias in Colombia and Afghanistan (which we're fighting in the war on drugs), who are profiting off of all these drugs. You cannot destroy the demand for these drugs, which is quite high in America, no number bombs, global meddling, bullets or diplomatic grandstanding is going to change the reality that the people of America are a huge drug market.


The United States' government has effectively made it so these countries remain in a perpetual state of instability without reason.

It doesn't take this many decades to win a war.

The United States v.s. Drugs is 0-10 in favor of drugs.

Drugs have been used for over a millenia by shamans, priests and religious leaders, and countless others.

How pretentious of anyone to think they can defeat something that not only isn't inherently harmful, but that has been a staple in some religious ceremonies for countless years throughout the world.

Recreational drug use is a victimless crime, we spend so much money meddling, money we could use to actually make a difference at home and abroad.

The thing is, it is harmful. So many people have ruined their own future because of drugs, so many have dropped out of school, separated from their families because of the addiction of these mereful drugs, and it goes on.

This is why drugs SHOULD be made legal, therefore, many children/adolescents will save their futures by not getting arrested for this, the government can benefit from implementing taxes, druglords will be virtually nonexistant, and the government probably could put an age restriction on drugs as well.

 

[Espio]

The thing is, it is harmful. So many people have ruined their own future because of drugs, so many have dropped out of school, separated from their families because of the addiction of these mereful drugs, and it goes on.

This is why drugs SHOULD be made legal, therefore, many children/adolescents will save their futures by not getting arrested for this, the government can benefit from implementing taxes, druglords will be virtually nonexistant, and the government probably could put an age restriction on drugs as well.

It's drug ABUSE not recreational use that's the problem. I could ruin my life with video games or gambling or anything if I abuse it and don't handle myself in a responsible way. I could lose friends, family, a job etc from not handling myself appropriately, it's just like alcohol, it's not inherently bad unless abused, like I said.

People drop out of school for pregnancy, military service, running away from home, etc.

I already mentioned pages ago the reasons you mentioned for why it should be legalized and kind of touched on it in more recent posts, you're not tellling me what I haven't already said myself. I agree completely with the second portion of your post.

 

[eks]

MKF30:

LINK

This is all I can respond to that last post. lol...

The thing is, it is harmful. So many people have ruined their own future because of drugs, so many have dropped out of school, separated from their families because of the addiction of these mereful drugs, and it goes on.

You don't limit the freedoms of the majority because of the missteps of the minority.

 

[Hellbringer]

I haven't read the whole thread, but all i can say is Ron Paul is the man! Im not from the US but to me its clear that this guy is the way to go. I would LOVE to have him lead my country instead of those moneyloving corrupt politicians in my country that don't realise that for 1) war on drugs dont work it makes it worse and 2)his view of retreating all army troups back home instead of waisting pointless money because the US wants to play daddy for everyone and hold their hands while daddy is almost broke.
Most important to me is his vieuw on drugs.


This one is one of my favorite videos from him:

Something that also pissed me off is holland even going back and putting weed back

 

[Hellbringer]

Btw all u people that say that weed is the gateway drugs because its the first step to other drugs, u know whats funny?Why do u always mention weed as a gateway drugs and nobody ever speaks of nicotine?Cause im sure most ppl smoked cigarettes before they smoked weed, right?I mean nicotine is a much more addicting drugs and most ppl use either this or aclohol as there first drugs, (who are the mlost deadly drugs, yeah look up the numbers) so its crazy that everybody mentions weed as the gateway drugs.
Besides, forcing people to buy it on the streets will automatically put u in contact with other bad drugs.
What also pisses me off is that most of those antidrug people will say "yeah drugs are bad dont do it" while they stand their wasted from alcohol with a cigarette in their hand.Besides even if u drink alcohol but not much its still a drug and u shouldnt point fingers to other people.
Like previously said weed is not that harmfull as all those antidrugs people are saying, infact it has alot of medical benefits and in tests it even reduced tumors in animals.

Did u even know that big alcohol compagnies that sell beer and stuff are even funding those antidrug campaigns?Ironical isnt it.
And those large pharmaceutical compagnies they would rather not see these plants legalised cause they will lose alot of money becaause of weed can be replaced by alot of those chemical medicins.

 

[TarkatanDentist]

As far as I'm concerned, there's no justification for marijuana being illegal when the likes of alcohol and cigarettes are not.

N.B. I've never tried it myself (and I don't plan to)

 

[TakeAChance]

Let me some up the previous arguments with one simple statistical fact.

Correlation does not equal causation.

 

[eks]

I would think alcohol is more of a gateway drug than tobacco-based products since alcohol is effects your brain more than nicotine.

I think weed CAN be a gateway drug in the fact that it makes someone see illegal drugs in a different light. If they try weed and find out it's not as bad as their D.A.R.E. teacher told them it is, they'll suspect that other illegal drugs aren't as bad as they said, too. (Which in many cases is true.) Once they make this connection, they get curious about the other drugs when they probably wouldn't have if they hadn't tried weed. Alcohol doesn't have this effect since it's not illegal, but if we made weed legal, most of this wouldn't be true for it, either.

 

[MKF30]

Its annoying because its inconsistent with someone who says they value personal freedom. You take that opinion to the poll and vote for people that keep it illegal, so no, its not "just your opinion" anymore. You act on your opinion in such a way as to interfer with other people's lives.

Why do you think people should even pay a fine? It seems to be just because you don't approve of it.

And then you give some nonsense about the black market? Are you REALLY ok with black markets filling this demand? How does that even make sense, given that black markets DO kill people to get their stuff onto the street?

Nothing about your position is logical. Then throw in that you seem to have no problem with alcohol, its really just mind boggling.

Or annoying because some folks just can't handle mere differences in perspective? I really don't know what to tell ya. I think you're getting "my personal moral views" confused with "dictatorship with drugs and people" totally not what I mean, I'm just not for anymore illegal drugs to go mainstream that's all I'm saying. I understand it helps for sick patients but just pointing out that I don't agree with it for recreational use.

Look at Verstande's point, he's right. How many times have we've seen great legendary musicians, athletes, stars, celebs and normal people throw their life away for what? Getting high? Drugs? drinking? pfftt

My position is very logical, clearly you misunderstood my entire post concerning drinking...again, I'm NOT for it, but it's legal and obviously failed when they tried to ban it.

Look, I said "if you're caught with weed" they want to do something, a small fine I'm ok with...but nothing crazy as jail, you think it's fine if someone gets high while trespassing? Curious.

Also, there will always be a black market for something so...yeah, good luck with that.

When people take what I say and twist it into this "you're not for people's personal freedoms" I just laugh, if I wasn't I wouldn't be against Obamacare now would I? Yet you want to talk personal freedoms?

@ AJ and EKs,
"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink"

This is the famous phrase I think of with certain people in here at this point...all I'm going to say.

Also, ek I'd say it's more like you can't give into those who want something for their personal amusement when ultimately it'll cause more bad then good. People have been using the "well liquor and tobacco is legal" case for years...yet, one of the biggest reasons why they're legal and have been is one reason. PROFITS. You can't possibly tell me weed would make as much as tobacco or alcohol industries, people just want a reason, any reason to get high for nothing...

Well, like I said there's several ways such as "Jenkem" where you can easily make your own stuff and get high from it, either way it's the same end result right? Getting high?

1. @Rev, dude that's lovely that you used to be into all of those things or what not, while some of those are debatable the 9/11 conspiracy people are just wacked to put it lightly. I've spoken to some of whom said this and they've also felt aliens created us...so yeah, thank you mr. Cruise but stick to acting....​
   After all that's science too right? lol​
   Yeah, like I said nobody tells me anything I do my own research and judge from my own experiences with people on drugs, in this case (weed) so yeah. I'm not afraid of anything or admitting I'm wrong, when I'm wrong. lol But I'm not so yeah, like I said one is my opinion and the other I merely said weed effects your better judgment you seem to deny this but that's ok, like I said before.​
   "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink."​
   I don't understand what your problem is then because that's my case, that pot screws up your better judgement by effecting those basic brain functions. I never said it's "lethal, or kills you" but don't try to tell me "weed is harmless" because it's not...I've posted you links and scientific clinical connections to people having increased risk of heart attacks after smoking it, this is just completely ignored I've noticed...​

 

[eks]

WTF does Obamacare have to do with personal freedoms? lmfao...

 

[Hellbringer]

MKF30 sorry but those arguments or really not valid.
First of all when u refer to those great musicians throwing there life away by doing drugs, i dont think they did it solely on smoking weed...and if u say "yeah but tsmoking weed started it", read my previous post. btw, just a personal tought off that but i believe if jimi hendrix or guys from the doors or whoever werent using drugs, they probably didnt make so many good songs, one of the guys from the doors even openly admitted it that it opened his creativity.Ofcourse some ppl cant combine the power of succes withs alot of money and drugs as much as they want. But thats their choice and u know drugs where illegal anyway and they still have chosen it...



And about nicotine and alcohol still being legal because of profit? Yeah thats true but another thing is, have u ever tought that the tabacco industry and alcohol have rather not want weed to be legal?Would be not a smart choise financially.
Weed got illegal around 1930, before that they used weed for alot of things like clothes/oil and so on, and its just because some guy with alot of connections decided weed was bad for his factory he spread false rumours about weed being bad for u and togehter with the upcoming drugwars weed got treated like class 1 drugs.


ps.im not pro for all drugs i dont like the bad ones like coke or meth or speed or any of those that cause damage, but weed or psychedics are the ones i think can be good for alot of ppl if used properly

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

OH MY GOD IT'S STILL GOING ON

This debate is like the fucking pre-patch block infinite of all debates.
Except someone turned on the Regenerate Health Kode, so it's LITERALLY become infinite.
I don't know whether to scream in frustration or laugh my ass off.

 

[rev0lver]

1. After all that's science too right? lol​
   Yeah, like I said nobody tells me anything I do my own research and judge from my own experiences with people on drugs, in this case (weed) so yeah. I'm not afraid of anything or admitting I'm wrong, when I'm wrong. lol But I'm not so yeah, like I said one is my opinion and the other I merely said weed effects your better judgment you seem to deny this but that's ok, like I said before.​
   "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink."​
   I don't understand what your problem is then because that's my case, that pot screws up your better judgement by effecting those basic brain functions. I never said it's "lethal, or kills you" but don't try to tell me "weed is harmless" because it's not...I've posted you links and scientific clinical connections to people having increased risk of heart attacks after smoking it, this is just completely ignored I've noticed...​

I didn't ignore that, I highlighted the "smoking" part. That doesn't tell you about the effects of the drug itself.

You have yet to establish that weed impairs brain functioning (over the long term). Your own anecdotal experiences of being around high people tells you absolutely nothing. You are afraid of admitting marijuana doesn't kill brain cells, you backed off that argument and simply went "i don't care". So, where exactly did you get the idea that marijuana kills brain cells and affects long-term brain functioning, considering the science doesn't show any of that?

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Just for the sake of keeping counts, it's been 3 weeks and 20 pages since this argument began.

This is amazing, in a fucked up sort of way. I wanna see how long this can go on.

I'm And sorry, no one's changing my mind that Bush and his Administration was the death knell of America as we knew it.
Obama's made mistakes, but we will never in our lifetime see a bigger mistake than Iraq.

In the infinite meme of my man, Haze:

 

[rev0lver]

Also, there will always be a black market for something so...yeah, good luck with that.

You keep saying this, what do you even mean by it? The market for marijuana is SO much bigger than anything else the drug lords are putting out. Again, it's one of the biggest cash crops in America (top 5 or higher, I believe). You take away their weed sales and it'd be like shrinking Walmart to a convenience store. Not too long ago the former president of Mexico even urged us to consider legalizing marijuana, because the drug cartels would be fucked.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

You keep saying this, what do you even mean by it? The market for marijuana is SO much bigger than anything else the drug lords are putting out. Again, it's one of the biggest cash crops in America (top 5 or higher, I believe). You take away their weed sales and it'd be like shrinking Walmart to a convenience store. Not too long ago the former president of Mexico even urged us to consider legalizing marijuana, because the drug cartels would be fucked.

Exactly. that's another thing to consider; think about how many people who resort to harder/more fucked up drugs would seriously reconsider their decision if the safest buzz there was made legal, plentiful, and available.
There will still be hard drug users, obviously, but I'd imagine a great deal of people would at the very least be swayed to go with the less dangerous alternative without worry of prosecution.

I 've probably said that at some point already. I've lost track. Lol.