What is Wrong With These People!? - The U.S. Politics Discussion Thread

[M2Dave]

Damn it, guys! As it turns out, president Obama was not a friend of the terrorists.

That spoiled my suspicion of him being a secret socialist muslim destined to destroy America from within.

 

[CYracks]

Obama is eliminating the competition.

 

[aj1701]

Damn it, guys! As it turns out, president Obama was not a friend of the terrorists.

That spoiled my suspicion of him being a secret socialist muslim destined to destroy America from within.

Yup, just your vanilla socialist.

 

[MKF30]

Yeah, Obama isn't a friend of terrorists at all..he just releases them lol

 

[rev0lver]

@Les, lol that's debatable. See, out of everyone I've met so far in life, conservatives are way more caring then liberals.

........really? I mean you can say either way but it's hard to argue when the ideals of the right are based on individualism while those of the left are based on collectivism. They care so much that they want to deny civil rights, promote corporate greed, and get rid of/scale down social programs.

 

[MKF30]

I guess it's all relative *shrugs* I think that's the general idea of both parties, but I think it goes deeper then individualism and collectivism. Uhh, actually it was the left/democrats who were so against civil right act if you do your homework, not the right. The right has always been for upholding the constitution and for the people to better themselves in life and choose what they want, not have things handed to them by the government like the left wants. Corporate greed has nothing to do with right or left, that's just a fact of life regardless of politics. I worked for a company that was greedy corporately and they were known to be liberal...

 

[rev0lver]

I guess it's all relative *shrugs* I think that's the general idea of both parties, but I think it goes deeper then individualism and collectivism. Uhh, actually it was the left/democrats who were so against civil right act if you do your homework, not the right. The right has always been for upholding the constitution and for the people to better themselves in life and choose what they want, not have things handed to them by the government like the left wants. Corporate greed has nothing to do with right or left, that's just a fact of life regardless of politics. I worked for a company that was greedy corporately and they were known to be liberal...

Ok, first of all, do your homework, because that's a myth. The politicians against the civil rights act were the southern politicians. At the time, those just happened to be mostly democratic. The southern democrats did not have a socially liberal ideology. Support was otherwise bilateral, and obviously, it was signed into law by a democratic president.

As for choosing to do what you want, that's exactly the point. The right wants to let you be a greedy son of a bitch if you want to by loosening taxes and regulations, while telling the homeless sleeping on the streets to fuck off and try harder. That's conservative compassion.

Let's look at this conservative compassion:
-denying rights to same-sex couples
-denying abortion rights and access to contraceptives
-continuing support for the war on drugs
-removing/restricting welfare programs (that new drug law in Florida is just the worst...)
-opposing the DREAM Act
-opposing discrimination and hate crime laws
-opposing universal healthcare

Yeah, damn us greedy, uncaring liberals wanting to take more money out of our pockets.... to give to... other people....

 

[MKF30]

Uhh, it's not a myth, it's FACT. But feel free to live in denial all you want, want proof? I'll gladly provide it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

http://www.congresslink.org/print_basics_histmats_civilrights64text.htm

It doesn't matter if northern, southern etc they were AGAINST the CR act, period...and they were democrat, there's no denying that.

Oh and concerning the whole, "it's always the right that are racists, bigots etc"

Really?

http://gopcapitalist.tripod.com/democratrecord.html

Also, did you know that it was Reagan(a white righty) who signed and approved Martin Luther King day be a holiday for the first time ever for a black person?

Yeah...so sure "all righties are racists" SMH






Few things, concerning your little post 1. the right hasn't denied same-sex couples, they're merely said they're against Gay marriage in some parts of the USA and not even "every" politician that's right is anti-gay, a lot of them are for gay marriage...I love the assumption there that everyone from the right or (not left) is anti-gay marriage...I can name you a ton of righties who are for gay marriage...so that whole "all right is against same sex marriage" not true at all. Besides, Gay marriages have been approved in a ton of states and places now, so why are you liberals still complaining over that? Me personally, couldn't care less either way about it since it doesn't effect me but some politicians regardless of party have very serious moral issues with it which I can understand as well.

Denying abortion rights regardless of party I have no issues with, it's stupid to begin with and half the time done due to sheer inconvenience because people don't want to take responsibility after they screw around...that's more so a religious thing anyway so I'm not even counting that, and people abuse contraceptives like the Fluke case as a prime example...

How exactly is a war on drugs a bad thing? Drugs have done more harm then good overall. Yeah, let's legalize weed, coc, crack, meth etc and watch what happens...you think things are bad now? hahahahaha

Welfare is only offered to the point of that much support in general in the USA compared to anywhere else, another thing bums, lazy people who don't want to work and those who want everything from the government to pay for half the time....I'm for government assistance but I'm also not for the government "giving people who want everything, everything while they collect off other hard working people" that's just stupid to me. And Dream Act? lol really? So you clearly support education to illegal immigrants? wow..........

You know something, that you don't know about me so I can speak from experience. I wasn't born here, I was an immigrant for a day at one time but my folks signed for me as a baby and I became a US citizen....did it all legally, by the book so question, why should anyone else who comes here get it easier then me or those who have done it the right way?

Conservatives never opposed discrimination and hate laws, that's more bullshit from the left trying to influence everyone of anyone opposing them believing that.
No, the right and everyone else for that matter libertarian and independents alike aren't for Obamacare or Universal Healthcare done as a socialist program, they're totally for re-done healthcare, just not that way..



Also, another video that is fact and has evidence behind it that supports the fact that Dems voted against the Civil Rights Act among other things...which are far worse then the list you posted(which some of which is questionable anyway)

Yeah, the cons want people to earn what they deserve for the HARD earned work over time...the dems want to take it AWAY from them and give it to bums, people who don't want to better themselves half the time or want everything else from the government or people...

That's flawed logic, has nothing to do with greed, it's what's right morally. It's not like they're taking shit away from the less fortunate, if the dems care so much why don't they take it out of their own pockets or REDUCE taxes maybe so that the people can have more pocket change? I mean I'm pretty sure it's the right who always wants to lower taxes and the left always greedy and wanting to take MORE out of your pocket...

All the liberals want to do is take away from the wealthy and give to the poor, because that will solve everything...

 

[rev0lver]

Time to respond to this *rofl* "owning"

Uhh, it's not a myth, it's FACT. But feel free to live in denial all you want, want proof? I'll gladly provide it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

http://www.congresslink.org/print_basics_histmats_civilrights64text.htm

Dude, did you actually read those or just assume what you thought was true?

The original House version:

• Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)
• Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)

• Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)
• Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)

The Senate version:

• Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)
• Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)
• Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)
• Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)

I rest my case. The problem (with this and with other cases) wasn't liberal ideology, it was southern ideology. Southern democrats were not socially liberal and do not resemble the democratic party of today.

Few things, concerning your little post 1. the right hasn't denied same-sex couples, they're merely said they're against Gay marriage in some parts of the USA and not even "every" politician that's right is anti-gay, a lot of them are for gay marriage...I love the assumption there that everyone from the right or (not left) is anti-gay marriage...I can name you a ton of righties who are for gay marriage...so that whole "all right is against same sex marriage" not true at all. Besides, Gay marriages have been approved in a ton of states and places now, so why are you liberals still complaining over that? Me personally, couldn't care less either way about it since it doesn't effect me but some politicians regardless of party have very serious moral issues with it which I can understand as well.

Who's saying everyone from the right thinks a certain way? It's about the general conservative ideology. Of course there are some conservative individuals with different beliefs. Just like my hometown's representative (Jason Altmire, a Democrat) voting against the healthcare bill. Gay marriage has been approved in a few states, yes..... why are we still complaining about it? Are you being serious? Because the vast majority of the country still does not have this law. And it's not just about same-sex couples. A lot of repubs still want to redo Don't Ask Don't Tell.

Denying abortion rights regardless of party I have no issues with, it's stupid to begin with and half the time done due to sheer inconvenience because people don't want to take responsibility after they screw around...that's more so a religious thing anyway so I'm not even counting that, and people abuse contraceptives like the Fluke case as a prime example...

So because a woman doesn't want to take responsibility, we should have more children brought up in bad environments? Do you not realize who this is really affecting here? It's not just about the women's right to choose.

How exactly is a war on drugs a bad thing? Drugs have done more harm then good overall. Yeah, let's legalize weed, coc, crack, meth etc and watch what happens...you think things are bad now? hahahahaha

Ok, this is what I have the biggest problem with. Even Pat Robertson of all people said we should legalize weed. The War on Drugs is UNDOUBTEDLY the biggest continued failure of the US Government. Not only is it extremely counter-productive, but it costs us billions and totally fucked up our prison system. Please, please go on about this one, because I can seriously go on for days about how stupid the drug laws are.

Welfare is only offered to the point of that much support in general in the USA compared to anywhere else, another thing bums, lazy people who don't want to work and those who want everything from the government to pay for half the time....I'm for government assistance but I'm also not for the government "giving people who want everything, everything while they collect off other hard working people" that's just stupid to me. And Dream Act? lol really? So you clearly support education to illegal immigrants? wow..........

No we are not giving the poor everything they want, nor are we even giving them enough. You really need some sociological educating if you classify all welfare recipients as lazy bums. And yes, I 100% support the DREAM Act. That kind of opportunity is one of the greatest things this country can offer. Do you realize what that act does? It's providing permanent residency to illegal immigrants who graduated high school and decide to pursue a degree or serve in our military. That's improving our country.

You know something, that you don't know about me so I can speak from experience. I wasn't born here, I was an immigrant for a day at one time but my folks signed for me as a baby and I became a US citizen....did it all legally, by the book so question, why should anyone else who comes here get it easier then me or those who have done it the right way?

Because some people are in such terrible situations that they can't spend the money and the huge amount of time (and luck) that goes into that process. I'm in an Immigration class this semester, and it wasn't until now that I really realized how difficult it is to legally immigrate to the US. Even if everyone from Mexico who wanted to come to the US had enough money and decided to go through the legal process, most of them would be denied.

Conservatives never opposed discrimination and hate laws, that's more bullshit from the left trying to influence everyone of anyone opposing them believing that.

Oh my god, that is so far from the truth. Here's just one example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard_and_James_Byrd,_Jr._Hate_Crimes_Prevention_Act . Seriously, this is pretty common knowledge, where are you getting your information from? I'm actually interested, because either you're stupid or seriously deprived of actual information.

or REDUCE taxes maybe so that the people can have more pocket change? I mean I'm pretty sure it's the right who always wants to lower taxes and the left always greedy and wanting to take MORE out of your pocket...

That is such a flawed argument... The people on the lower rungs already aren't paying much in taxes. The issue is that the upper rungs are also not paying much in taxes. It's such a weird system. It should logically go the lower class pays the least, the middle class pays more, and the upper class pays the most. That's how it has historically worked and works in every developed country, yet we say cut the already-low taxes for the rich and somehow think that's going to do something good.

 

[MKF30]

Revolver, 1. clearly ignored the first part lol...I can't force you to read the links.

2. Seems totally pointless, I wasn't the one who brought up the Gay Marriage bit...you did, nobody is bitching about it. It's simple, some states passed it, others didn't. If you're gay and want same sex marriage, go to a state that has it. Simple, if not go to a state that bans it. Again, simple.

3. Obviously you never heard of something called "adoption" as I was, look it up you may be intrigued to learn there's always alternatives to "abortion" which again is merely used as a cop out and birth control just because people didn't act responsible or were too horny to care until you actually get pregnant. Who says if a random chick gets knocked up, the kid will automatically grow up in a "bad environment"? You must think every random girl who gets pregnant is around a bad environment? That makes no sense or is quite an assumption...my cousin had a baby last year, 19 tried to keep it a secret. Guess what? Even though she's liberal, she knew abortion was wrong because she lacked taking responsibility and wanted to keep it a big secret from everyone. Instead she considered adoption but ultimately decided to keep the baby and raise it, with some help.



4. lol, you act as if I'm the ONLY person on this entire site who has issues with weed being legalized...like I said, for medical purposes I'm ALL FOR IT. Recreational? NO! We already have alcohol, why do you need weed? Do you not know you fuck up your brain cells? It's not like it's beneficial to smoke daily, like I said before. I knew this pothead who was a friend of my friend, couldn't remember my name. Kept calling me Paul, when I've met the guy numerous times telling him it's "Pete" yeah...let's legalize weed, now picture drunk and HIGH people behind the wheel...and I don't really care what Pat Robertson says, if Jesus or God said it then I may agree. Guess what, there will ALWAYS be a black market on something...nothing you can do about it. Legalizing every illegal drug will ultimately do more harm then good. And then guess what? Whatever IS illegal will still be out there on the black market...




5. Yes, we are. Obama and the other radically left libs who think like him are pretty much saying "ok, we'll tax the rich higher and give that money to the poor, people less fortunate, people who want everything for free and have other hard working people work for stuff they want or feel obligated to have for nothing...that's hardly a logical concept to solve that issue. I think you need a lesson in reality, I did my research and unlike others don't believe everything "you hear" out there...I never said welfare people are lazy bums...when did I say this again? I said a lot of people on welfare want everything for free or choose to not better themselves. Why do I feel this way? Well, unless you're literally thrown into the street by a retarded, evil family how do you explain hard workers out there who actually got wealthy by working their asses off? Example, Donald Trump...so it's not really improving our country, perhaps to you but not to me.



6. That's no excuse, I wasn't exactly in a "good situation" my biological folks gave me up, because they were struggling financially and wanted a better life for me. Luck? lol we all have bad, good and rest of the time make our own luck. Uh, you don't have to be rich to become a US citizen, and time? While I will say adults should be approved in less time, within a year or something not multiple years you'll still do it if you want to become an American legally. Like I said, I'm a prime example of why and how you do it by the book. And most of them would be denied? I doubt that, that's a false assumption on your part. If they're denied, chances are it's for a good reason. And that would never happen because Mexico is another country entirely, people would want to stay there. So your pretty much saying you support "illegal immigration"....

7. Hardly, if anything you're the one horribly ignorant to information and facts...all the libs do is pull out the "racist and bigot" cards for merely having a different perspective. Much like this video shows.

This is the mentality you choose to have...


Did you NOT know that it was a Republican Conservative President named Ronald Reagan who made Martin Luther King day a national holiday?! Not to mention Lincoln who fought for Blacks? You really are beyond ignorant. So don't give me that "all righties are racists" bullshit because I assure you, whenever you find a racist who happens to be rightwing, there's another one who's leftwing. And I must say Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have to be the WORST hypocritical, racist libs out there...oh and let's not forget all the bashing the libs were doing to Palin and her family, attacking her grandchild for being slow, her daughter for having a baby...nahh, that's not hatred and bigotry right there..not at all. Oh and some lib site named slate.com who set up a "Santorum Sex Daughter mockery contest" hmm? Why aren't you bitching about that? Oh yeah because you're a lib...

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2012/03/26/slatecom-sets-santorum-daughter-sex-mockery-contest

http://gopcapitalist.tripod.com/democratrecord.html

http://www.mrc.org/media-reality-check/hypocritical-cable-networks-eagerly-bash-rush-embrace-crude-bill-maher

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/2010/09/29/violence-hatred-and-thuggery-by-liberal-extremists-against-conservatives-so-wheres-the-media-video/

But hey I suppose if you're strugging to actually post a relevant, credible countercase I'd resort to "you're stupid and deprived too" if I was desperate maybe.


8. How is it a flawed argument when it's true though? NYC had it's best economic time or one of it's best during Rudy's administration as Mayor, he cut taxes, cut crime, got the city more jobs and was hard on security. Now compare that to when Dinkins or Bloomberg(who doesn't even know what he is now changing parties like he does clothes) and it's a nobrainer the former works better...and where have you been dude? We've always taxed the rich higher then the average joe or poor...they just pay less taxes but everyone still pays taxes regardless. Do you not know that people like Jeter, Trump, Oprah etc, etc pay ridiculous amounts in taxes far more then you and I do?

 

[Purple Haze]

7. Hardly, if anything you're the one horribly ignorant to information and facts...all the libs do is pull out the "racist and bigot" cards for merely having a different perspective. Much like this video shows.

This is the mentality you choose to have...

 

[MKF30]

lol more like Obama said he wouldn't make excuses yet that's all he does.

Oh, blame it all on Bush..it's easier that way.

That comic was written by let me guess, Michael Moore?

And a protester that doesn't have a clue what he or she is protesting...and that sign doesn't even make sense. I'm pretty sure it's the right who supports stay at home moms, while liberals who work under Obama bash woman who would rather raise a family then work.

Because that's such a bad thing...
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/04/12/3551394/democrats-remark-about-stay-at.html

Again, look up adoption please. I know liberals just see "abortion" and they're both share similiar letters A and T I O N, but they are different believe it or not...

 

[Purple Haze]

My turn to copy and paste from Google / YouTube.

American scientists are putting human brains into mice and evolution is a myth

 

[SNiPeR_MiKe]

How about we all agree on Liberals being complete fucking morons, and conservatives being complete fucking morons?

If you are on one extreme side of the spectrum, you are a fucking fool. I am a "person." In that I will listen to a view, and then for my OWN opinion without any stupid side telling me how to think. Liberals want to be free, but want more government control (makes no sense), and conservatives only want teh CASH. Both sides have major flaws, and politics is going to be a never ending battle, just as religion.

It's all about money and power guys, do you really think any of these politicians give a shit about your or what you think?? NO, it's all about securing the vote, and securing their jobs for the next few years.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

There is no sane reason for marijuana to be illegal.

Not a single one.

Cigarette addiction/Alcohol and alcoholism ends, destroys and affects countless lives, every single day.
Billion/trillion dollar industies. Global. Nearly everywhere. Inescapable. Undeniable. Legal. Every single day.

Marijuana...does not. Not on the same scale. Not in the same ballpark. Not in the same universe.
Not even fucking close.

Were it not for the myriad of issues that stem from it being illegal in the first place, what possible argument could be made for the "harmful" nature of pot that can't be made back three/four/five/ten-fold against booze or bogeys?

*insert hemp smear campaign damndable hippies ronald reagan dave chapelle ramble here*

Do you have any fucking idea how much money this country could make if it stopped trying so fucking hard to appear to be religiously or morally upstanding (in spite of claiming to be a nation that seperates church and state) or sacrificing the lives and livelihood of innumerable do-gooder regular joe stoners and simply said "Fuck it, the world is going broke, we need a trump card cash crop, it's time to let down the Green Curtain" and put the country to work making pot the next big investment?
How many jobs would be made? How many people would be put to work? FUCK, how many less-than-well-doing gents and ladies with a green thumb (lulz) could make a living LEGALLY doing what they already knew how to do without fear of legal persecution? Smoke shops? Mass manufacturing and plants? Infrastructures and legitimate business practices?
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GROW IT OUT OF THE FUCKING GROUND. THAT'S IT.
Think of how many people would put down the bottle and say the hell with hangovers and surrosis if they could simply go out and pick up some grass to chill the weekend out or liven up a party. In this generation, where health and facts and all that good shit seem to stick out a lot more in previous years, how many college kids, potential alcoholics, stupid people prone to stupid things, temper-flaring hotheads, tight-fisted tightwads in need of a less self-harming way to get through the day or night...not even joking, how much harm, short and long term, could be avoided if people were provided ganja as a legal, safe alternative to all their good time needs as opposed to just the usual copious amounts of alcohol ?

Or maybe I'm insane...

If you are on one extreme side of the spectrum, you are a fucking fool. I am a "person." In that I will listen to a view, and then for my OWN opinion without any stupid side telling me how to think. Liberals want to be free, but want more government control (makes no sense), and conservatives only want teh CASH. Both sides have major flaws, and politics is going to be a never ending battle, just as religion.

It's all about money and power guys, do you really think any of these politicians give a shit about your or what you think?? NO, it's all about securing the vote, and securing their jobs for the next few years.

^^^ Fucking exactly.

 

[Purple Haze]

How about we all agree on Liberals being complete fucking morons, and conservatives being complete fucking morons?

If you are on one extreme side of the spectrum, you are a fucking fool.

Is the right answer.

 

[MKF30]

How about we all agree on Liberals being complete fucking morons, and conservatives being complete fucking morons?

If you are on one extreme side of the spectrum, you are a fucking fool. I am a "person." In that I will listen to a view, and then for my OWN opinion without any stupid side telling me how to think. Liberals want to be free, but want more government control (makes no sense), and conservatives only want teh CASH. Both sides have major flaws, and politics is going to be a never ending battle, just as religion.

It's all about money and power guys, do you really think any of these politicians give a shit about your or what you think?? NO, it's all about securing the vote, and securing their jobs for the next few years.

True, there's the right and the left. Among other parties, I think at this point it's just choosing the lesser or two evils really...

 

[Dark_Rob]

Well look at this. A 2nd thread, and a 2nd chance for you guys. I hope I made myself clear in the last thread what happens when threads turn into trash. Dont fuck it up fellas, or you know what Il do.

 

[Purple Haze]

@Dave, I can say the same thing about your liberal mentality...And you claim to be a "moderate" yet you posts scream liberal...Obama is friends with radical muslims, if you'd like I can list them for you? Bush never kissed the Saudi King, he didn't bow to every world leader who hated us no less like Obama does...

The Bush regime did more to appease Saudi terrorists (and Muslim extremists worldwide) than any government on earth. The links between the Bush family and the Saudis go way back.

m2dave's posts seem pretty moderate to me. You can't just accuse people of things when others can see they haven't said them, like in the other thread when you flip flopped and I proved you wrong when you claimed I said something and I didn't.

You called me a lib earlier too when I haven't even stated my political opinions. You call anyone a lib that doesn't subscribe to your stereotypical right wing extremist philosophies.

To be honest, I don't think I have seen a single left wing extremist in this thread.

A lot of people have posted good links to information about what's going on in the world. You should have a look at them. In the end, reality doesn't care about left or right wing, so you can't deny things that are true but which you don't want to believe.

There is no sane reason for marijuana to be illegal.

Not a single one.

Government doesn't have the balls to stand up to organised crime who would be very unhappy at losing all their profits if drugs were legalised.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Government doesn't have the balls to stand up to organised crime who would be very unhappy at losing all their profits if drugs were legalised.

Shit. All they'd have to do is sell it cheaper than the government does.
People would still buy it. No one would know the difference. Everyone wins.

 

[MKF30]

@Purple, majority of the country are typically left or right. But there are other philosophies. I've already said what I've said. And Bush and Saudis being buddies is as much a lie as 9/11 being an inside job is. Not into conspiracy theories.

Bush went after terrorists, he's not friends with them or fear them like other people.

 

[Purple Haze]

@Purple, majority of the country are typically left or right. But there are other philosophies. I've already said what I've said. And Bush and Saudis being buddies is as much a lie as 9/11 being an inside job is. Not into conspiracy theories.

Bush went after terrorists, he's not friends with them or fear them like other people.

The links between Bush and the Saudis go back years. This isn't an opinion or a secret. It's an open acknowledgement. Do some research on your own and see for yourself.

Now if you don't want to believe that then fine, but don't tell people who know reality that it doesn't exist.

As for most people being left and right, I think many intelligent people are finally waking up to the fact that extremism is bad whatever wing you are on. Several people in these threads have said that already.

 

[MKF30]

Yes, they know each other but I'm saying they're not "close friends" or anything. That's all I'm saying, much like Clinton and the Chinese which he was associated with...

Being extreme anything is bad obviously. Usually violence comes with it. Just look at the other side, people take religions for example way more extreme then we do over here.

 

[aj1701]

Shit. All they'd have to do is sell it cheaper than the government does.
People would still buy it. No one would know the difference. Everyone wins.

This, 100%. If they legalized and regulated recreation drugs (not just pot), organized crime would collapse. Instantly no more border wars with Mexico. Well, i suppose they'd have to do the same for gambling and prosititution too. Making it illegal just begs criminals to come in and offer it, it doesn't actually stop illegal activities from happening.

 

[Espio]

This, 100%. If they legalized and regulated recreation drugs (not just pot), organized crime would collapse. Instantly no more border wars with Mexico. Well, i suppose they'd have to do the same for gambling and prosititution too. Making it illegal just begs criminals to come in and offer it, it doesn't actually stop illegal activities from happening.

Prostituion should have always been legal imo. It should be taxed and regulated, people have sex all the time, but as soon as money gets put into the equation it's bad and should be illegal. Prosttituion in its current form is coercive and violent, rape often occurs, no condom usage, etc.

If the state actually allowed license organizations to run it, condoms would be the standard, better pay for male/female prostitutes, safe work environment with benefits, no coercion, only done by choice, checking clients for STD's etc. This would save us so much money on feeding people in jail, less bills for STD treatment, better mental health of the community, reduction in costs to the courts, law enforcement, and prosecution so they can focus on crimes like Murder, torture, rape, child trafficing etc.