What is Wrong With These People!? - The U.S. Politics Discussion Thread

[rev0lver]

I'm not telling anyone what to put in their bodies, it's about a questionable drug being legal or not...if people want to jump off a cliff, by all means let them but you have to consider, other people's actions can effect YOU in life too...

Let me tell you a short story about myself. I use marijuana recreationally. At the start of high school, I was a terrible student. I had little to no interest in anything academic, and spent almost all of my time out with friends or glued to the TV. Halfway through sophomore year, I started smoking weed because I found out that it isn't actually dangerous. My GPA went from a 2.5 to a 3.8 in only a short time, and went up to a 4.0 by the end of senior year. You know what the difference was between the teenaged alcoholics I knew and the teenaged stoners? The stoners were the ones in all the honors classes. I'm not saying it necessarily makes you more intelligent, but marijuana use doesn't have a demonstrable negative effect and doesn't even come close to the legal drugs out there today.

Hell, more people die from non-prescription medicine than weed. Because zero people have died from weed.

 

[MKF30]

Revolver, like I said dude, just believe what you want. Whatever you say ok dude...

Ok, now let me tell you a story, I went to school with quite a few stoners and few kids who smoked once in a while. The guys who smoked once in a while were fine, the guys who smoked weed every day had bloodshot eyes, thought they were cool for being high and couldn't remember my name to save their life. One kid would always call me Paul, yet I must have told him "Pete is my name" a million times...

BTW, I think there was actually a few but rare cases out there where people did die from weed
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080116084146AA5kgqB

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_people_die_each_year_from_marijuana

So yes people have died believe it or not from weed, it's just very rare...

Dude why even bother with MKF30... He is an IDIOT!
He just compared everyone being able to use drugs of their choice with everyone having a nuclear bomb...
Thats the type of retarded shit he thinks, because you know drugs can kill 100 thousand innocent people in one shot right?
This guy is by far the dumbest, most ignorant and ill informed person on this website...Fuck MKF30 he is garbage... His views make me lose all hope for this world...
Don't even quote me MKF30 I am just warning people about you, this is not a debate...
He is very good at mortal though...

You're such a tool dude, that gives people 0's in MK mind you, anyway... you missed my point completely...I didn't compare "drugs" I compared weed, which technically isn't even a drug, it's a plant..."drugs" while weed falls into the category, there's worse out there that CAN kill you and others...but you're too slow to comprehend my point. My point is merely that the principle is the same, NOT WOM and weed being equal, when did I say they're the same? But of course you'd think that because clearly you read what you want to read. Liberals...seriously, get off my dick if you can't comprehend a word I say seriously. I was merely telling AJ that if by his logic with individual rights, why stop at weed? Don't you see the problem there and where it would lie?

You clearly just flaming me proves you have no counter point because you don't like what I said, too bad, and you're very good at looking like an ignorant tool of the mainstream media 24/7.

 

[rev0lver]

Revolver, like I said dude, just believe what you want. Whatever you say ok dude...

It's not "believe what I want", it's believing what actual research says. I believe facts. So please admit you were wrong and marijuana doesn't kill brain cells because that is demonstrably factual.

 

[MKF30]

It's not "believe what I want", it's believing what actual research says. I believe facts. So please admit you were wrong and marijuana doesn't kill brain cells because that is demonstrably factual.

Like I said dude, believe what you wish. I've already posted what I've wanted to post and said how I've felt about it being legal. Feel free to agree or disagree. I'm not admitting to something to that I'm not wrong to begin with. I even posted you a link showing you that people died from too much weed (believe it or not it's just rare) and that it increases your risk for heart attacks...not to mention kills brain cells and/or harms them, as the basic tests I've provided shows. You're for making pot legal so of course you'll disagree...


LesMore...

*yawn* very amusing. How about this, I don't give a shit what you say and keep assuming "i've always been a right winger and listen to Rush" because I don't agree with Obama's policies you wacky liberal nutjob. So typical. tsk tsk tsk, are you mad bro? lol curious are you angry because you don't agree with me politically or because of the royal ass kicking I gave you in MK?

Secondly, you don't speak for the entire site and if everyone "hated me that much" I wouldn't be here, you have no clue that I have a ton of friends on this site so shut your mouth please, just go away and keep taking lame photos of yourself looking like some sort of terrorist thinking you're cool when you're really not.

I don't even listen to Rush lmao or any commentators for that matter, again I do my own research....way to make false assumptions....oh btw, seriously ask me if I care. News flash, I have REAL friends and a REAL life outside of this site, I suggest you get one yourself. Tata. I come here for MK and saying GG's. What do you come here for exactly?

 

[Espio]

Can you guys please leave the thread? I want this thread to remain opened for intelligent discussion. It's bad enough people want to argue with false info, even when they're corrected. Now you guys wanna ruin this thread with your flaming nonsense...please kindly stop.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

I don't know what's more insane:
The fact that weed is still illegal, or the fact that this argument has been going on for literally weeks.

There's a gargantuan difference between people like Rev who use pot to the fullest of its potential, and the fucking idiots who sit around for hours on end burning unnecessary amounts of tree, getting high just to get high.It'd be nice if you saw more of the former in the public light than the latter.
But when all you hear about are the fuckups, and the promising cases aren't even allowed by most of society to be held in a high (lulz) regard for the good its done then, that's when misconceptions run amok and movements cant get off the ground.

The day people find something more important to worry about than stoners will be a glorious day indeed.
Hopefully with things in the shitty state that they're in, that day will come sooner than later.

I hope.

 

[MKF30]

Espio, tell it to Lesmore who's having a shitfit over my posts(as usual) I really don't care anymore, I hope it gets closed personally. Yeah, bad enough some folks refuse to see the negatives in certain drugs....

This site seems to go by "majority=always right" with politics I've noticed.

I suppose time will tell whether or not weed will be made legal or not

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Like I said dude, believe what you wish. I've already posted what I've wanted to post and said how I've felt about it being legal. Feel free to agree or disagree. I'm not admitting to something to that I'm not wrong to begin with. I even posted you a link showing you that people died from too much weed (believe it or not it's just rare) and that it increases your risk for heart attacks...not to mention kills brain cells and/or harms them, as the basic tests I've provided shows. You're for making pot legal so of course you'll disagree...

Once again...Alcohol and tobacco.
Ruins, ends, systematically destroys lives every day they're legal.
And we will never see alcoholic prohibition again in our lifetime, or the criminalization of tobacco. Ever.

In other news, Mitt Romney is fucking doomed.

There is literally no way Obama isn't getting a second term.

Just throwing that out there.

 

[LesMore]

Can you guys please leave the thread? I want this thread to remain opened for intelligent discussion. It's bad enough people want to argue with false info, even when they're corrected. Now you guys wanna ruin this thread with your flaming nonsense...please kindly stop.

i removed my post..

 

[LesMore]

Espio, tell it to Lesmore who's having a shitfit over my posts(as usual) I really don't care anymore, I hope it gets closed personally. Yeah, bad enough some folks refuse to see the negatives in certain drugs....

This site seems to go by "majority=always right" with politics I've noticed.

I suppose time will tell whether or not weed will be made legal or not

A terrorist picture? Or a ninja mask... Maybe you just see terrorist's everywhere because of your mindset...

Also I distinctly remember you being warned by the mods i will find the post and quote it for you so you remember...

And by the way where are all these people who back you up? Or were you being vague on purpose because I have gone through this whole thread and I don't see anyone backing you up...

 

[MKF30]

Once again...Alcohol and tobacco.
Ruins, ends, systematically destroys lives every day they're legal.
And we will never see alcoholic prohibition again in our lifetime, or the criminalization of tobacco. Ever.

In other news, Mitt Romney is fucking doomed.

There is literally no way Obama isn't getting a second term.

Just throwing that out there.

We'll see, personally I'm not really for either of them. As for the alcohol and tobacco, yes you're right they cause more harm then good which is exactly WHY I'm not for anymore drugs that will do more harm then good being legalized and sold at your local super mart. So instead of people smoking and drinking, we'll have people stoned, drunk instead lol. I'm sure I'm the only person in here right now that sees what's wrong with that but whatever...

But yeah I agree with you on we'll never see a ban on tabacco or drinking again. The industries would lose too much money and people would probably go crazy....lol

A terrorist picture? Or a ninja mask... Maybe you just see terrorist's everywhere because of your mindset...

Also I distinctly remember you being warned by the mods i will find the post and quote it for you so you remember...

And by the way where are all these people who back you up? Or were you being vague on purpose because I have gone through this whole thread and I don't see anyone backing you up...

Your photo is haunting similar to a terrorist headpiece... not a ninja, but whatever. I actually happen to have a ninja mask(looks nothing like that) But yeah Yeah, you bet I see a guy with a baseball cap and immediately think "terrorist"...whatever you say.

Uhh, you're not a mod so please don't tell me what to do. You came in here flaming the HELL out of me for me merely posting something you disagree with which was not only immature but uncalled for. Uh, I don't need to rely on my friends backing me up. I can fight my own battles, thank you. As for those who agree with me lol, they just don't want to waste their time on this topic when I spoke to them outside of here. Now I must say, I see why lol. No wonder one of them told me "MKF why are you wasting your time on these guys" I see now who's open to other perspectives and who's not.

I have close friends for pot, yet they still understand and respect how I feel...unlike some in this topic.

 

[Purple Haze]

News flash, I have REAL friends and a REAL life outside of this site

No. No you don't.

 

[Espio]

Espio, tell it to Lesmore who's having a shitfit over my posts(as usual) I really don't care anymore, I hope it gets closed personally. Yeah, bad enough some folks refuse to see the negatives in certain drugs....

This site seems to go by "majority=always right" with politics I've noticed.

I suppose time will tell whether or not weed will be made legal or not

Here's an idea how about you stop posting then if you don't care..I'd like to actually like this thread to remain open...you're pretty much trolling at this point if you're doing things to promote the thread's closure on purpose.

i removed my post..

Thank you for taking the high road.

 

[MKF30]

Here's an idea how about you stop posting then if you don't care..I'd like to actually like this thread to remain open...you're pretty much trolling at this point if you're doing things to promote the thread's closure on purpose.







Thank you for taking the high road.

High road? Dude I could have flamed back BIGTIME but didn't...removing a post means nothing, when you have it quoted. lol just proves how biased you are against me, I have some news for you dude, I'm not leaving the thread just because you think it's fit. I'm not trolling either just posting my views, you're trying to get me to leave just so that you can see others who agree with you politically discuss it to remain open.

P.S. you guys have to stop acting like you're mods and trying to tell me what to do. If someone doesn't like or agree with my opinions. TOO BAD. Not everyone sees the world as you do, ever think of that?

 

[rev0lver]

Like I said dude, believe what you wish. I've already posted what I've wanted to post and said how I've felt about it being legal. Feel free to agree or disagree. I'm not admitting to something to that I'm not wrong to begin with. I even posted you a link showing you that people died from too much weed (believe it or not it's just rare) and that it increases your risk for heart attacks...not to mention kills brain cells and/or harms them, as the basic tests I've provided shows. You're for making pot legal so of course you'll disagree...

Can you not fucking read? How many times do I have to go over this?

No one has died from marijuana poisoning. It's physically impossible. The only thing that could potentially cause issues is SMOKE, which constricts your blood vessels more. SMOKE is not the only way to inject marijuana, the drug itself has nothing to do with that.

And the biggest problem, NO, nothing shows that marijuana kills brain cells... the neurological evidence shows the opposite. Do you seriously not understand the difference between correlation and causation? The test you are talking about shows heavy stoners having problems in certain cognitive tests. NO link can be made from this study between marijuana and impairment (much less killing brain cells) because it is a CORRELATIONAL study. When the neurological evidence shows that it doesn't kill brain cells, you don't call it "inconclusive", because it shows that there is another variable that isn't marijuana that made stoners perform worse in this study.

Don't you get it? There aren't two sides to this argument. This is an accepted fact in the scientific community. You're just the kind of person who would keep arguing if you said there are 41 states based on misinformation.

 

[MKF30]

Can you not fucking read? How many times do I have to go over this?

No one has died from marijuana poisoning. It's physically impossible. The only thing that could potentially cause issues is SMOKE, which constricts your blood vessels more. SMOKE is not the only way to inject marijuana, the drug itself has nothing to do with that.

And the biggest problem, NO, nothing shows that marijuana kills brain cells... the neurological evidence shows the opposite. Do you seriously not understand the difference between correlation and causation? The test you are talking about shows heavy stoners having problems in certain cognitive tests. NO link can be made from this study between marijuana and impairment (much less killing brain cells) because it is a CORRELATIONAL study. When the neurological evidence shows that it doesn't kill brain cells, you don't call it "inconclusive", because it shows that there is another variable that isn't marijuana that made stoners perform worse in this study.

Don't you get it? There aren't two sides to this argument. This is an accepted fact in the scientific community. You're just the kind of person who would keep arguing if you said there are 41 states based on misinformation.

I can read well, thank you

Actually, yes they have if you read the links...it's not impossible just highly doubtful and difficult to die from smoking weed, but technically possible if taken enough as one of the links scientists said, the amount would have to be a HUGE amount though and all at once.

*Sigh*, yes I'm well aware of "correlation and causation" but that still doesn't alter the fact that given those test results, are conclusive with sober people vs. stoners. I love it how you just disregard my experiences with potheads as if I'm bsing you...

We can do this all day and forever, it's not altering the links I've posted nor how I feel. And not really, saying 41 states if flat out wrong. Why compare an obvious fact to something that's entirely different in a drugs effects? lol no, I'm the type of person that happens to be on the other side of the fence, where as you feel everyone has to see things from your side exclusively...

 

[Espio]

LesMore took the high road by deleting his messages....your inability to grasp why I said what i said to him is interesting....

High road? Dude I could have flamed back BIGTIME but didn't...removing a post means nothing, when you have it quoted. lol just proves how biased you are against me, I have some news for you dude, I'm not leaving the thread just because you think it's fit. I'm not trolling either just posting my views, you're trying to get me to leave just so that you can see others who agree with you politically discuss it to remain open.

P.S. you guys have to stop acting like you're mods and trying to tell me what to do. If someone doesn't like or agree with my opinions. TOO BAD. Not everyone sees the world as you do, ever think of that?

You did flame him back(nice to see you edited your post to change it from being completey innocent), I read your comments...are you really in denial about the things you said? You both were wrong, but at least LesMore corrected his faulty mistake by removing his thread derailing flame post, while you won't even admit that or fault...this is a pattern.

Also, man to man I honestly want you to stop derailing the thread, like I wanted LesMore to stop derailing the thread...I see no bias in telling you both to leave instead of derailing the thread if you can't handle being mature.



LOL..@ the reason you gave for me wanting you to stop derailing the thread....I can discuss stuff with people I agree with whether you're here or not.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I don't have anything to get used to, I already know this. Opinions don't bother me, I prefer informed opinions though.

I'm not the one who accuses everyone of being a liberal.....or freaks out on people and denies objective evidence.

There's nothing for me to think about sir.

 

[rev0lver]

I can read well, thank you

Actually, yes they have if you read the links...it's not impossible just highly doubtful, but technically possible if taken enough.

Sigh, yes I'm well aware of "correlation and causation" but that still doesn't alter the fact that given those test results, are conclusive with sober people vs. stoners.

We can do this all day and forever, it's not altering the links I've posted. And not really, saying 41 states if flat out wrong. Why compare an obvious fact to something that's entirely different in a drugs effects? lol

It's not "technically impossible", it's physically impossible. You wouldn't be able to ingest even a tenth of the THC it takes to cause poisoning within the amount of time needed to do so.

That second part makes zero sense. Do you not realize this is a correlational study? It shows that heavy stoners perform worse on certain cognitive tasks than those who do not smoke weed. There are NUMEROUS variables that could cause this, an obvious one being the type of person who is more inclined to use marijuana heavily. This does not involve a random sample, you are separating people based on marijuana use, therefore you cannot confidently state that marijuana CAUSES this performance.

Again, when the neurological evidence (which shows cause and effect) tells you one thing, and the correlational evidence tells you another, you don't call it inconclusive. You accept the neurological evidence as fact and realize the correlational study isn't taking something into account. This isn't splitting hairs, this is how science and research works. Marijuana doesn't kill brain cells, as the neurological research has proven. Your opinion doesn't matter. Please admit that you're wrong.

 

[MKF30]

LesMore took the high road by deleting his messages....your inability to grasp why I said what i said to him is interesting....





You did flame him back(nice to see you edited your post to change it from being completey innocent), I read your comments...are you really in denial about the things you said? You both were wrong, but at least LesMore corrected his faulty mistake by removing his thread derailing flame post, while you won't even admit that or fault...this is a pattern.

Also, man to man I honestly want you to stop derailing the thread, like I wanted LesMore to stop derailing the thread...I see no bias in telling you both to leave instead of derailing the thread if you can't handle being mature.



LOL..@ the reason you gave for me wanting you to stop derailing the thread....I can discuss stuff with people I agree with whether you're here or not. And your inability to see that I wasn't the one going ape shit for someone else having a different opinion then mine intrigues me.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, I don't have anything to get used to, I already know this. Opinions don't bother me, I prefer informed opinions though.

I'm not the one who accuses everyone of being a liberal.....or freaks out on people and denies objective evidence.

There's nothing for me to think about sir.

Well, removing a post is the same thing but I quoted it so..yeah. And the editing option is there for that reason, I merely altered a few things but I didn't flame him or insult him NEARLY on the same scale as he did me. And it was uncalled for, so yeah I got annoyed. Only thing I did was was initially retaliate, as for reason? I'm hardly wrong or sorry.

I'm getting tired of certain people flaming me merely for having a difference in opinion. Dude, I'm not derailing anything. We're talking pot right? That's what I've been talking about.

With respect, you're not a mod so if you care that much I suggest informing one if you care that much about it. That's the thing though, an opinion has nothing to do with being informed or not. It's how one feels personally...and can't be wrong.

Example, In my opinion it's cooler out right now then before. To someone else it may be warmer, there is no right or wrong there with a mere opinion of something. Same for the weed discussion here..

 

[MKF30]

It's not "technically impossible", it's physically impossible. You wouldn't be able to ingest even a tenth of the THC it takes to cause poisoning within the amount of time needed to do so.

That second part makes zero sense. Do you not realize this is a correlational study? It shows that heavy stoners perform worse on certain cognitive tasks than those who do not smoke weed. There are NUMEROUS variables that could cause this, an obvious one being the type of person who is more inclined to use marijuana heavily. This does not involve a random sample, you are separating people based on marijuana use, therefore you cannot confidently state that marijuana CAUSES this performance.

Again, when the neurological evidence (which shows cause and effect) tells you one thing, and the correlational evidence tells you another, you don't call it inconclusive. You accept the neurological evidence as fact and realize the correlational study isn't taking something into account. This isn't splitting hairs, this is how science and research works. Marijuana doesn't kill brain cells, as the neurological research has proven. Your opinion doesn't matter. Please admit that you're wrong.

How does it make zero sense? This is why I swear you read what you want to read...

It's not physically impossible though, it is clinically "possible"...just highly improbable. That's why I said, it would have to be taken a whole hell of a lot all at once and btw, don't forget it could kill someone if they're allergic to it(which has happened) this has happened with every drug anyone is allergic too(deadly allergic) like some folks with peanuts for example. My cousins are highly allergic, if they even smell peanuts they get sick...it's that bad, if eaten they could die. You clearly don't want to read much less accept ANYTHING negative concerning weed, and I see that now.

Lastly, Actually, yes my opinion does matter and isn't any more or less important then yours. You saying "my opinion doesn't matter" IS your opinion. You just admitted right there you have an elitist, arrogant mentality which I couldn't care for but like I said, believe what you want. Usually people with that mentality can't or won't see opposing views no matter how many times that person tries to get thru to you. I'll admit I'm wrong when I'm actually wrong. An opinion can't be wrong, again...do you people even know what the word "opinion" means?

 

[Purple Haze]

I'm getting tired of certain people flaming me merely for having a difference in opinion.

No one is flaming you for having a different opinion. They are flaming you for denying facts and saying provably stupid things.

And the reason you can't stop posting is you are obsessed with trying to get the last word.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

SO THERE'S SOME MESSED UP SHIT GOING ON IN CHINA RIGHT NOW

RACHEL MADDOW HAS A WONDERFUL SENSE OF HUMOR

I'M TYPING IN GIANT LETTERS IN THE HOPES OF CHANGING THE TOPIC

I LOVE PORK CHOPS

 

[aj1701]

In other news, Mitt Romney is fucking doomed.

There is literally no way Obama isn't getting a second term.

Just throwing that out there.

Ya, Republicans got nothing, and they were hitting each other so hard they basically told people why not to vote for each of their candidates. My ideal is that Obama stays CIC, and Congress remains in Rep control. No more one party BS where they get to push through whatever nonsense they want.

 

[Espio]

aj1701 I finally started reading that article you posted on nuclear batteries, ish is tight.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Ya, Republicans got nothing, and they were hitting each other so hard they basically told people why not to vote for each of their candidates. My ideal is that Obama stays CIC, and Congress remains in Rep control. No more one party BS where they get to push through whatever nonsense they want.

Exactly. I may not like Obama, but if it's a choice between him and 4 years of a Republican White House under Romney's watch, the devil I know is better than the devil I don't.