What is Wrong With These People!? - The U.S. Politics Discussion Thread

[eks]

Yes, do you realize that the brain is made of of a ton of various working parts for different functions within the human body? Doing a certain drug may have NO effect on one part of the brain, yet effect the other. This is what I'm saying, you're acting as if I'm claiming "weed kills you" or something, never said that. Just said when smoked in heavy, consistent amounts it effects your head. Hardly embarrassing, if anything you have by insulting me instead of actually trying to hear my point. I get it you're pro-weed, I'm not. So let's just agree to disagree. K there sparky?

There's nothing conclusive that shows it causes any significant, long-term harm to your brain, so I don't get what you've been trying to prove or why you're against it.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

I don't think it's fair that Israel gets to be a global power and the Palestinians don't even have a definitive place to call home.
Nor do I think it's fair that people are looked down on for leaning in Palestine's favor.

But I understand why people (Rev and Dan) would think either way. Some people side with Israel for the mess they've had to endure since their state was created, others side with the Palestinians/Muslims because their argument is just as valid. They both should have the right to exist, the Jewish AND Palestinian state, and as long as the world as a whole remains so biased towards Israel, the collective mood of the Middle East in our direction will never change.
I'm not defending Iran or any of the other horrid hierarchies out there that are perpetuating the oppression/senseless violence and culturally-backwards detrimental behavior towards women; you can call it tradition and culture all you want, but in this day and age of global equality and common sense, I cannot for the life of me understand what good can come of continuing down that path in the long term. Just like I can't understand why all of this war and bloodshed has to take place over 2,000+ year old relics and plots of land or verses out of books.
THEY'RE FUCKING BOOKS.
AND OUR ENTIRE WORLD'S PEACE OF MIND AND SAFETY IS HINGED UPON THEM.
I have no objection towards people following their religion; what people do with their faith is their business, and I implore anyone who takes their faith seriously to keep doing what they're doing if it makes them happy or gives them solace. No problem with that at all. But my fucking god, is it REALLY worth it? REALLY?
Let's say, hypothetically speaking, Jesus and Mohammed were to descend from the sky tomorrow and see all the fucking mess that's been created and perpetuated on their behalf; how pleased do you really think they would be?

 

[Espio]

Boxy comes in with that Harvard professor swag.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

Boxy comes in with that Harvard professor swag.

. I try, man. TYM: the only place I get to put my gift for rambling gab to use.

Please, god, someone get me a job as a writer...too many words, must do something with them .

 

[Enenra]

. I try, man. TYM: the only place I get to put my gift for rambling gab to use.

Please, god, someone get me a job as a writer...too many words, must do something with them .

Bro, bro, apply for something. I guarantee you'd get the job.

 

[Abra Kapocus]

I don't have much against the actual country of Israel (ie: the citizens living there), after all I submit that there's no such thing as a good country, only good people.

I do, however, have a laundry list of grievances for their warmongering, uber-right politicians who have basically become nothing short of international bullies who abuse their alliance with us in order to get away with what basically amounts to genocide.

 

[rev0lver]

I don't have much against the actual country of Israel (ie: the citizens living there), after all I submit that there's no such thing as a good country, only good people.

I do, however, have a laundry list of grievances for their warmongering, uber-right politicians who have basically become nothing short of international bullies who abuse their alliance with us in order to get away with what basically amounts to genocide.

I agree. When I first came to NYC one of my best friends was an Israeli who just got out of his mandatory military service. He loves his friends and the people of Israel but he hates his government just as much as I do. Too many people confuse being anti-Israel with being anti-semitic.

 

[MKF30]

Hey dave, I noticed you as usual just ignored the video I posted of an intelligent man explaining the difference between both and just posting something I've never actually said, but yeah. Good job, gotta love your eluding skills!!

There's nothing conclusive that shows it causes any significant, long-term harm to your brain, so I don't get what you've been trying to prove or why you're against it.

Ok, I'll be specific yet blunt.

Why am I against it?

A:It's just how I feel personally and morally, I feel we already have enough things on Earth that the human race abuses (such as alcohol, smoking and over the top drugs) not even counting black market drugs or illegal ones...the main reason why I'm against weed being legalized isn't so much because "of weed itself" but rather the ball it would get rolling...meaning, how long before people say hey we have "alcohol, weed, cigs etc, now it's time for coc to be legalized or meth" etc just a simple, yet predictable pattern due to the human races greed...not saying it would happen right away, but it would happen. Look at weed discussion now in the world, nuff said. 100 years ago this wasn't discussed yet now it is.

Your other question, it's simple..

You're right most links show inconclusive evidence overall, however it's still a fact that with their basic tests the stoners vs. sober people didn't do as well with basic skills such as learning, math, focusing etc. As the one link I posted proved by scientists who did research on how does weed effect someone vs. sober. That is all I'm saying...

@Revolv, again I never said "death" I said brain cells and how weed in heavy amounts effects your mind...​

So, you think it doesn't kill brain cells but obviously you're ignoring the fact that weed does indeed effect your mind compared to someone sober? Right...thus why I'm not wrong because I never said what you're saying I said. Despite brain cell death or not, it's a fact regardless that weed when smoked in large doses and often effect your brain in a negative way compared to someone who doesn't smoke it...period. ​

 

[eks]

Sorry, but what I ingest shouldn't be up to the government or other people. To say otherwise is to shit on the whole idea of freedom.

Slippery slopes suck because we can actively recognize them and stop them before they start. When you have a drug like alcohol which is far more dangerous that's already legal, how can you assume that weed is gonna lead to the legalization of other drugs?

I don't think anyone would disagree that weed makes you listless for a while if you smoke a lot of it, but it's also temporary. THC stays in your blood stream for a long time, and if you're smoking it every day, then it's pretty obvious that you're gonna have some longer lasting side effects.

 

[rev0lver]

@Revolv, again I never said "death" I said brain cells and how weed in heavy amounts effects your mind...

So, you think it doesn't kill brain cells but obviously you're ignoring the fact that weed does indeed effect your mind compared to someone sober? Right...thus why I'm not wrong because I never said what you're saying I said. Despite brain cell death or not, it's a fact regardless that weed when smoked in large doses and often effect your brain in a negative way compared to someone who doesn't smoke it...period. ​

When was I ever talking about death? I said brain cell death. That's what killing brain cells means. I don't "think" it doesn't kill brain cells, I know by verifiable evidence that both you and I posted. So, since you're apparently trying to dodge this argument now, please admit that you were wrong about marijuana killing brain cells and I won't go any further.

And no, it's not a fact that it affects your brain in a negative way. That was a correlational study, no cause and effect can be found. You need to learn a thing or two about scientific research. Research is what I do.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

I agree. When I first came to NYC one of my best friends was an Israeli who just got out of his mandatory military service. He loves his friends and the people of Israel but he hates his government just as much as I do. Too many people confuse being anti-Israel with being anti-semitic.

This on the dot. I have no issue with a country existing, or its people thriving.
But these fucking overzealous government agendas of the world abroad are getting worse and worse by the day.

 

[Enenra]

This on the dot. I have no issue with a country existing, or its people thriving.
But these fucking overzealous government agendas of the world abroad are getting worse and worse by the day.

They do kinda have to deal with that whole "our entire region wants to kill us" thing though :|

 

[rev0lver]

They do kinda have to deal with that whole "our entire region wants to kill us" thing though :|

Yeah and they've totally made them like them more

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

They do kinda have to deal with that whole "our entire region wants to kill us" thing though :|

Rev's got a point. The sympathy for Israel can only go so far given how they've acted in turn towards their neighbors.

 

[Enenra]

Rev's got a point. The sympathy for Israel can only go so far given how they've acted in turn towards their neighbors.

He does. It's just one big fucked up situation, and everyone is too afraid the other party will kill them to even try to change it. Maybe they don't want to change it, I'm just glad my country is slightly less fucked than theirs.

 

[MKF30]

eks,

Well, I suppose we can just agree to disagree on that one. Me personally, I see the world as an imperfect world and humans as imperfect also. I ask myself, do we really need more things that will ultimately do more bad then good? Not really. Unfortunately historically speaking, the human race has a habit of not realizing something before it's too late...to be honest, I wonder sometimes why we haven't nuked ourselves out of existence already...so perhaps there is some glimmer of hope. Alcohol you see, while I'm also against drinking is actually good for you if you drink a beer or wine here and there. Sadly, the way people drink casually it's not though. It's perfectly normal to have a drink here and there, and I'm heavily against drinking but understand it's a mainstream idea that appeals to humans having fun. They tried with the prohibition in the 20s and failed badly...like really bad.

But yeah, that's what I'm saying while the weed may do harm or slow down your brain functions despite temp or permanent whichever should we find out different readings in the future, either way I don't want to fuck up my brain in general. I'd even be willing to bet that if you take MK players, just 4 good ones(doesn't matter who) just someone who can play the game well, have 2 of them stoned for hours, vs 2 sober players and I bet you the sober players will kick the shit out of the stoned players. Since it's a known fact video games test your brain and keep it active, some games more then others.


@Revolv, when you mentioned brain death/death, figured you were referring to brain death/comatose or such from weed. I was merely talking brain cell damage despite it being temporary or permanent. So again, no reason to admit anything I didn't state that was already stated in those articles and yes, weed has a negative effect on your brain when smoked too much. Like I said, if you read that one link that said "weed killing brain cells is inconclusive" perhaps, but they also confirmed the stoners did more poor then those who were sober. That's a fact you can't change.

 

[rev0lver]

@Revolv, when you mentioned brain death/death, figured you were referring to brain death/comatose or such from weed. I was merely talking brain cell damage despite it being temporary or permanent. So again, no reason to admit anything I didn't state that was already stated in those articles and yes, weed has a negative effect on your brain when smoked too much. Like I said, if you read that one link that said "weed killing brain cells is inconclusive" perhaps, but they also confirmed the stoners did more poor then those who were sober. That's a fact you can't change.

This was about marijuana killing brain cells from the start. What don't you get here?

A non-scientific blog post about weed killing brain cells to be "inconclusive" isn't evidence of anything. Research into test performance of stoners has nothing to do with marijuana causing brain cells to die. This is the misdirection of the word "inconclusive", it's a misunderstanding by the author. The neurological evidence is only what can be accepted as a fact, which shows that it doesn't kill brain cells. Is this cleared up for you yet?

And for that last bit, let me say again, in ALL scientific research pure correlation is never viewed as causation. Stoners doing worse on a test does not show that marijuana itself has anything to do with it.

 

[rev0lver]

the main reason why I'm against weed being legalized isn't so much because "of weed itself" but rather the ball it would get rolling...meaning, how long before people say hey we have "alcohol, weed, cigs etc, now it's time for coc to be legalized or meth" etc just a simple, yet predictable pattern due to the human races greed...not saying it would happen right away, but it would happen. Look at weed discussion now in the world, nuff said. 100 years ago this wasn't discussed yet now it is.

100 years ago this wasn't discussed because marijuana was completely legal. Prohibition of marijuana only happened because of wealthy business owners competing with the hemp industry and the political tie-in with anti-mexican immigration resulting from it. I believe marijuana was the only recreational drug ever criminalized without having health concerns. There is a major difference with marijuana and the hard drugs, which is that the reason people want it legalized is its safety (in comparison with every other recreational drug) and it being natural. The slippery slope argument just doesn't make any sense. And a far, far smaller amount of people use hard drugs than use marijuana.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

100 years ago this wasn't discussed because marijuana was completely legal. Prohibition of marijuana only happened because of wealthy business owners competing with the hemp industry and the political tie-in with anti-mexican immigration resulting from it. I believe marijuana was the only recreational drug ever criminalized without having health concerns. There is a major difference with marijuana and the hard drugs, which is that the reason people want it legalized is its safety (in comparison with every other recreational drug) and it being natural. The slippery slope argument just doesn't make any sense. And a far, far smaller amount of people use hard drugs than use marijuana.

Ding.

That's another thing that makes no sense as far as its illegality: all the uses hemp has, and the money it could save us from not having to manufacture and process more expensive materials.

 

[MKF30]

@Revolv, you said Weed has no effect on the brain, and I disagreed and already posted links proving it. But at this point, I'm going to let you believe what you want as far as that goes.

As far as it being legal or not, if the demand was THAT high for it, it would have been made legal already, clearly it isn't so...yeah, good luck with that. Like I said, for medical purposes I'm all for it, not for anything else though.

 

[Espio]

Just figured I'd post this vid GNG Iniquity reminded me of why I like George Carlin, shoutouts to him.

 

[aj1701]

As far as it being legal or not, if the demand was THAT high for it, it would have been made legal already, clearly it isn't so...yeah, good luck with that. Like I said, for medical purposes I'm all for it, not for anything else though.

Fuck dude, there's practically a civil war going on in Mexico due to drug trafficking, and a large part of that is weed. People don't risk their life like that unless there's a ton of money on the line.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laura-carlsen/how-legalizing-marijuana_b_777837.html

If you really are for individual rights, I dont really see how you can support keeping things like pot illegal. Seriously, who are you to tell people what they can put into their own body?

 

[MKF30]

lol I'm mexican american, you don't have to tell me one place I wouldn't go right now, but it's vastly due to other hardcore drugs too and gang wars. It's dangerous down there right now. I disagree with your notion of individual rights in that aspect, that's how you're seeing it, I don't however. In that case, why not just make nukes available for everyone as individual rights, and blow ourselves up...that's where I disagree with that.

I'm not telling anyone what to put in their bodies, it's about a questionable drug being legal or not...if people want to jump off a cliff, by all means let them but you have to consider, other people's actions can effect YOU in life too...

 

[rev0lver]

@Revolv, you said Weed has no effect on the brain, and I disagreed and already posted links proving it. But at this point, I'm going to let you believe what you want as far as that goes.

As far as it being legal or not, if the demand was THAT high for it, it would have been made legal already, clearly it isn't so...yeah, good luck with that. Like I said, for medical purposes I'm all for it, not for anything else though.

#1 - now you're completely making things up. I said that marijuana doesn't kill brain cells. Are you saying it doesn't now? Do I have to post multiple quotes from you about it? I will also say that marijuana doesn't have a proven negative effect on the brain, though I don't believe I explicitly stated that previously. You posted nothing showing a causal relationship between marijuana and long-term impairment of any kind.

#2 - Demand has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not something's legalized. I believe the number is over 50% of the US population now that thinks marijuana should be legalized for recreational use. There's a very similar number who wants gay marriage legalized, and that hasn't happened nationally yet. Congress doesn't represent popular opinion.

 

[LesMore]

Fuck dude, there's practically a civil war going on in Mexico due to drug trafficking, and a large part of that is weed. People don't risk their life like that unless there's a ton of money on the line.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laura-carlsen/how-legalizing-marijuana_b_777837.html

If you really are for individual rights, I dont really see how you can support keeping things like pot illegal. Seriously, who are you to tell people what they can put into their own body?

Dude why even bother with MKF30... He is an IDIOT!
He just compared everyone being able to use drugs of their choice with everyone having a nuclear bomb...
Thats the type of retarded shit he thinks, because you know drugs can kill 100 thousand innocent people in one shot right?
This guy is by far the dumbest, most ignorant and ill informed person on this website...Fuck MKF30 he is garbage... His views make me lose all hope for this world...
Don't even quote me MKF30 I am just warning people about you, this is not a debate...
He is very good at mortal though...