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PerfectLegend exposes Sonicfox!

When Sonic won Evo for DBFZ top players from EVERY SCENE were playing it. Fenritti, GO1, Kazunoko, Leffen, Apologyman, Chris G, etc.

We can stop this "Sonic can't beat players who lab" bullshit right now. The tournament was either the most entered or second most that year, it had around 2500 entrants if memory serves correct. But I'll definitely admit Sonic is NOT the GOAT of fighting games. He IS the undisputed GOAT of NRS titles and there is not a single person who is even remotely comparable. Not. One.


I'd love to see that change though!
 

FrozenG3oX

Kombatant
PL was the goat in mk 9, but sonic is the goat since then if you ask me.

BUT also Sonic is also the goat of using broken characters and PL the goat of excuses.

I have to agree with PL on one point. Sonic's answer to neutral in mk 9 was to skip it with ex chartwheel.
 

Trickywizard

Apprentice
PL was the goat in mk 9, but sonic is the goat since then if you ask me.

BUT also Sonic is also the goat of using broken characters and PL the goat of excuses.

I have to agree with PL on one point. Sonic's answer to neutral in mk 9 was to skip it with ex chartwheel.
MK games have never been about neutral lol
Sonic quit MK11 when he couldn’t beat the Chilean brothers.
 

Lt. Boxy Angelman

I WILL EAT THIS GAME
I agree.

But Perfect Legend is the least perfect.

No pun intended.



What are you talking about?

Perfect Legend is calling out Sonic Fox in the video.

Your entire post is devoid of logic.

Back in the day, the man literally refused to compete in local Cleveland tournaments because "too many Cage and Cyrax players around."

Stop defending this clown.
I'm not defending him. That man has been crazy since long before 24 Low Hat was a thing.

What I'm saying, and what neither you nor the other guy will acknowledge, is that he has a bunch of valid points that are not dismissable just off the strength of him being the kind of nutter butter that he is.

I don't care that he's as obnoxious as a jackhammer outside my window if his case makes sense to me, and it does.

THAT'S the only logic I'm trying to apply.

When Sonic won Evo for DBFZ top players from EVERY SCENE were playing it. Fenritti, GO1, Kazunoko, Leffen, Apologyman, Chris G, etc.

We can stop this "Sonic can't beat players who lab" bullshit right now. The tournament was either the most entered or second most that year, it had around 2500 entrants if memory serves correct. But I'll definitely admit Sonic is NOT the GOAT of fighting games. He IS the undisputed GOAT of NRS titles and there is not a single person who is even remotely comparable. Not. One.


I'd love to see that change though!
These are undisputable facts.
Let it not be gotten twisted that Sonic is still a god on Mount Olympus...just not a head on Mount Rushmore.

Funny how we talk about PL not letting shit go when twitter is filled with you trolls bringing up 13-0 all the time for no reason.
This is also an undisputable fact.

This weird thing where we pretend like SonicFox is afraid of competition is hilarious. He has competed and become one of the best in so many different fighting games. And yes, it’s difficult to stay at the top, especially in multiple games. The fact that anyone is able to do it at all is insane. And the fact that SF has been able to do it in many different FG’s just proves how gifted he is at FG’s.

Like, we’re wondering if a SEVEN TIME EVO Champ is actually good or not, lol. Won EVO in Injustice, twice in MKX, DBFZ, MK11, Skullgirls, AND the current MK game, MK1. Not to mention their other championships in the Injustice 2 pro series, won Final Kombat in MK11 AND in… again, the current MK game, MK1. Then there’s the other games they became a top player or dominated in like SkullGirls, SC6, MvCi, Strive, DoA, SF5, SF6, and probably more I’m forgetting.

Like what are we talking about here? This super strange attempt to discredit one of not only the NRS GOATS, but one of the FGC GOATS, is super bizarre and something I wasn’t expecting especially not in 2025

Touch grass please
You can give someone credit for being incredible and still call them out for all the sketchy and cringy things they've done, and how it's affected the ecosystem, along with the level to which the communities around it absolutely eat it up.

Again, both things can be true.
 
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Jackie skipped neutral all together too.
Sonic literally played in and lost the last Evo for MK11. What are you talking about? He played the Chileans more than once in that game. He moved on because support ended. This isn’t complicated.

Edit: I’m dumb and quoted the wrong post lmao
 
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Lt. Boxy Angelman

I WILL EAT THIS GAME
A very good point. I think the NRS scene, and MK1 in particular, is the most competitive it's ever been.
I agree. This game has come a LONG way.

I don't see any names in this thread in a bracket either
And the people rose up and said "AMEN."

I've only ever been to/competed in four majors, I'm pretty sure my record is a combined 3-8, and I haven't seen the inside of a show since Summer Jam 2015, yet I've STILL done more for myself and the nature of the beast that is fighting games than 99.9% of the people continuing to talk out of the side of their heads over this about PL or about Sonic.

And from the wrestling nerd fantasy booking perspective...has no one stopped to consider that the two of them have known each other and been part of the same business for so long that this could all be fake? Not saying that it is, because it sounds like it's not, but the level to which people are so quick to just take a side and stick their head in the sand without considering the variables of what they're looking at is bonkers.

My conspiracy theory about Fox losing with Cyreena on purpose? That one is a really big and ridiculous reach, and I acknowledge that.
But no one who knows the history of these two can't tell me it isn't possible that they would both decide to screw with the trollable masses of the world to generate more buzz and content around arguably the most positively received MK1 tournament in history, because they know their audience well enough to know exactly how to get them to jump as high as necessary.

Just another possibility to consider while everyone is busy deciding who's right and wrong instead of weighing the validity of the facts.

I cannot friggin' wait to come down to Atlanta and mix it up with actual human beings again.

Offline >>> Online.
#BringBackNEC
 
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Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Funny how we talk about PL not letting shit go when twitter is filled with you trolls bringing up 13-0 all the time for no reason.
It isn’t for no reason though. If PL didn’t talk as much shit as he does, and god forbid had a modicum of humility, virtually no one would still bring up the 13-0. But when you’re constantly attempting to discredit others accomplishments completely unprovoked, especially when you’re doing it to the person who DID 13-0 you, of course it’s going to be brought up and no one should be surprised about that. This weird, crybully attitude where people think it’s perfectly fine and acceptable for PL to constantly talk shit about players and try to diminish their success, but then act like he’s somehow the victim when people return that same energy is insane.

MK games have never been about neutral lol
Sonic quit MK11 when he couldn’t beat the Chilean brothers.
This has no basis in reality, just like a lot of what people have said ITT
 

wsj515

This is my billionth life cycle.
Our scene's drama used to be fun. Occasionally it still is, but literally anything related to PL ain't it.

Imagine telling people to watch the video before commenting - I couldn't get past the first 30 seconds of PL's terrible incoherent rambling.
 

Lt. Boxy Angelman

I WILL EAT THIS GAME
Our scene's drama used to be fun. Occasionally it still is, but literally anything related to PL ain't it.

Imagine telling people to watch the video before commenting - I couldn't get past the first 30 seconds of PL's terrible incoherent rambling.
But that, in his own bipolar logic way, is exactly the point he's trying to prove: no one is in a hurry to do the work and read between the frames like they used to.

He does an objectively terrible job trying to make his case, but the points are in there, and no one seems to want to acknowledge them because it's easier to just dismiss it as another crazy PLUFO sighting over the desert, but for the hundredth time...is he wrong?

Because whether anyone wants to admit it or not, if there's a real greatest of all time discussion to be had, there's no universe where Sonic doesn't have an asterisk by their name as far as the rest of the world at large is concerned, if only because of the games they got famous dominating and the reputation that NRS and its' games now have. And that's before you take into account all the times they tried and failed to branch out. All of totality taken into account, if this is the basketball starting five/MJ in the 90's VS Lebron and Steph Curry in the age of no defense debate, do they start from the bench? Do they even make the team? Because there are probably at least eleven people you'd have to mention first if you put the people in the room who remember all the names and faces.
Is it a really weird hill to die on? Absofuckinglutely.
But, I am simply saying that I can see how he got up there.
And I am also saying that if Fox ever DOES manage to break through to the other side someday and win a major in SF or Tekken, this whole debate is going to need a redo.

For now, though, it doesn't matter how long NRS keeps building games for them to dominate that are so mechanically simple and overwhelmingly offense-based that there might be three or four characters on the whole roster that do something other than the same starter + link + launch + air combo + ender + place Kameo accordingly formula...Fox could conquer them all, and every other game they touch, and be the Matt Cardona/Ultimo Dragon/Champion With Nine World Titles But None Of Them Are The WWE Title for a hundred years, and it still wouldn't register as loudly as finally putting that monster to bed. Terrible attempt to get his point across, but a valid point nonetheless.

And that's not a knock against Fox, because they have a brain like a Ben Affleck In The Accountant sponge that can play anything you put in front of them and pick up entire characters in hours...that's a knock against NRS, who have been scared shitless since Injustice 2 to do anything different or provocative without waiting a year to patch it into the game so they can look like they're doing us a favor.

Also, I would just like to say that, while I am in no way acting as legal representation for Carl "Perfect Legend" White, the fact that no one ever wants to talk about the weird real life clouds that have been hanging above Sonic and NRS since way before Final Kombat frustrates me enough that I could not resist picking this apart for the sake of the logical pearl inside the clam that was once truly the Great Kung Lao. And even taking that into account, it's not on Sonic that almost no one else/no other scene emerged on this side of the world that could come close to going even with them. It literally took over a decade and all of South America to make them look mortal. THAT is on all of us.
 
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Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
…but for the hundredth time...is he wrong?
Yes

Also, why does he need to win a major in SF or Tekken? Has any top SF or Tekken player won a major in MK? Do you know how many Street Fighter players who are some of the best SF6 players in the world still haven’t won a major? It’s a nonsense argument designed solely to discredit SonicFox. Because if he DID win a major, there would just be another excuse like has been made for him winning EVO in DBFZ. Just excuse after excuse after excuse
 

Lt. Boxy Angelman

I WILL EAT THIS GAME
Yes

Also, why does he need to win a major in SF or Tekken? Has any top SF or Tekken player won a major in MK? Do you know how many Street Fighter players who are some of the best SF6 players in the world still haven’t won a major? It’s a nonsense argument designed solely to discredit SonicFox. Because if he DID win a major, there would just be another excuse like has been made for him winning EVO in DBFZ. Just excuse after excuse after excuse
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I don't care if he's trying to discredit Fox.
That's not the part I'm focusing on.
I'm saying three things that I believe that go along with what he was saying:

1. People are dumb as hell and are way too fast to just take a side in an argument and block out everything else, no matter how much sense it may or may not make, when they could just take the moment to do the work and see the bigger picture. Our community is literally world famous for that, and it's part of why the rest of the global FGC has never taken us seriously.

2. Because of that, there are still enough players out there you can have the debate that there are/were better/more impressive than Sonic, no matter how many titles they win. That's not a controversial statement or something worth scoffing at, it's just a fact of life. It doesn't negate what they've done to acknowledge that. It's the only thing they've never done, and whether it's fair or not, it'll always be a knock against them that they shot themselves in the foot trying and failing to do it in the public eye.

3. The relationship between them and NRS has always been cringey at worst and outright fucking suspicious at best.

Are any of these statements false?

Because if they're not, then he's not wrong.
He's just an asshole.

Like...damn.
He crashing out.
That, I cannot deny.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
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I don't care if he's trying to discredit Fox.
That's not the part I'm focusing on.
I'm saying three things that I believe that go along with what he was saying:

1. People are dumb as hell and are way too fast to just take a side in an argument and block out everything else, no matter how much sense it may or may not make, when they could just take the moment to do the work and see the bigger picture. Our community is literally world famous for that, and it's part of why the rest of the global FGC has never taken us seriously.
It’s not about “taking a side”. What people are saying about SonicFox is either hypocritical, not logical, not true, or just simply makes no sense. That’s what I’m addressing

2. Because of that, there are still enough players out there you can have the debate that there are/were better/more impressive than Sonic, no matter how many titles they win. That's not a controversial statement or something worth scoffing at, it's just a fact of life. It doesn't negate what they've done to acknowledge that. It's the only thing they've never done, and whether it's fair or not, it'll always be a knock against them that they shot themselves in the foot trying and failing to do it in the public eye.
No one is saying that SonicFox is THE greatest fighting game player of all time. But he’s ONE of the greatest. That is backed up by his results and consistency. No amount of attempts to discredit that will make a difference


3. The relationship between them and NRS has always been cringey at worst and outright fucking suspicious at best.
If you say so, but that’s not relevant to anything whatsoever

Are any of these statements false?

Because if they're not, then he's not wrong.
He's just an asshole.
A lot of the arguments people have made in an attempt to discredit SonicFox are either subjective value judgments, or they’re saying things that either aren’t true, or there’s no evidence to back up their claims. Like saying that SF couldn’t hang with the Chilean Twins AND that’s why he quit playing MK11. Or that he’s never been able to compete in games outside of NRS games. These are objectively untrue statements. Then there’s the subjective arguments that he needs to have won a major in SF or Tekken to be considered one of the FGC goats. Again, that’s fine if you believe that, but it’s a completely unrealistic standard and one that’s never applied equally. Would you argue that Daigo, Tokido, Arslan, JDCR, Knee, etc need to have won a major in MK games, or really any games outside of Street Fighter or Tekken, in order for them to be considered one of the goats of the FGC? It’s a ridiculous standard, and other ones like it are for some reason only applied to SonicFox. THAT’S what I’m arguing against

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