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Has NRS silenced the Mortal Kombat 1 critics?

Has NRS silenced the Mortal Kombat 1 critics?


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Jynks

some heroes are born, some made, some wondrous
That is totally fair. I was never big on MKx... that run button... omg.. that was a total deal breaker for me lol, same as kemoes for other people now...

I just resent the constant hate. The negativity really bums me out and it drives away people that actually like the game. It is the assumption that some opinions are "correct" and everyone how disagrees is some kind of shill or stan who's opinion can be ignored as they are obiouly morons.
 
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Subby Z

Apprentice
That is totally fair. I was never big on MKx... that run button... omg.. that was a total deal breaker for me lol, same as kemoes for other people now...

I just resent the constant hate. The negativity really bums me out and it drives away people that actually like the game. It is the assumption that some opinions are "correct" and everyone how disagrees is some kind of shill or stan who's opinion can be ignored as they are obiouly morons.
So I will go with someone who mentioned this earlier.

Plenty of series have spinoff series. Like Tekken Tag or MvC correct?

So like if I KNEW that MK1 was that I could actually be more receptive and less negative. I think a lot of longtime fans could take that as well and then they could have maybe a side series to build on (even though at it’s core I wouldn’t play it. I don’t like MK1). However, I don’t have to play to be receptive.

Knowing this shit erased all my favorite characters histories and introduced a mechanic I wasn’t fond of from the get go and this is how it’s going to be for the forseeable future? No. No I don’t want that. Plus I felt like some things were changed almost to promote their shitty movie franchise as well.

Karl Urban is also just a horrible choice for Johnny Cage. That’s off topic though. I hope MK2 (the movie) flops so they just stop with those. The first one wasn’t even good.
 

PrinceGoro

Apprentice
Actually this isn't true.

There was a pretty sizeable wave of people wanting to go back to MK11 when MK1 was in one if it's lower periods. Xombat even called it, "peak."
Not nearly enough to say the cycle continues. When the cycle is talked about it generally means that the majority of the community says the previous game was much better.

That didnt happen from mk11 to mk1, not even close.

As for xombat, he was displeased from a top level competative play and balance, not liking the stale meta of kameos being something into kano knives/styker grandes/cyrax chopper. Him saying stuff like it was peak breh, bruh is just how kids talk these days.
 

Vulgar

Kombatant
Not nearly enough to say the cycle continues. When the cycle is talked about it generally means that the majority of the community says the previous game was much better.

That didnt happen from mk11 to mk1, not even close.

As for xombat, he was displeased from a top level competative play and balance, not liking the stale meta of kameos being something into kano knives/styker grandes/cyrax chopper. Him saying stuff like it was peak breh, bruh is just how kids talk these days.
This just reads like cope. The cycle wasn't broken, you're just not engaging with reality.

It passed like all of these waves passed, but it happened. The Discourse was alive with the sounds of Tweeting.
 

PrinceGoro

Apprentice
actually,. lots of people are. You might not be, nor your friends, but lots of people are.

I think it was Foxy who recently made a video about how MK11 was the best MK ever made, and his chan is almost completely devoted to it now, and he claims his stream and tube is earning him 6 figures, so he has plenty of people that watch it.....

Just start reading this forum you see pro-MK11 posts ALL the time.... now.

Destroyer recently tweated that the MK11 stream had the highest viewership of all his recent streams, including the MK1 and MKx events he ran...

I'm not saying MK11 is the best, all I ma saying is that the "swing" is in full effect.
I dont really care how much a streamer makes or not, nor is it indicative of a cycle continuing.

People tend to whatch a stream typically for the streamer, especially if they have been streaming for decent period of time, no matter how large or not the audiance is.

Those people also tend to act like fan girls being heavily inglunced by the streamer.

To be exact afoxygrampa has 250 avrage viewers acording to twich metrics(the number is not any higher when fiktered for mk11 streams specifically) destroyer has 150 avarage viwers, his content for the past few months is exclusively mkx and mk1 and some non fg games, i dont even see mk11 on his channels at all.

There is no swing at all.
 

PrinceGoro

Apprentice
This just reads like cope. The cycle wasn't broken, you're just not engaging with reality.

It passed like all of these waves passed, but it happened. The Discourse was alive with the sounds of Tweeting.
This kinda sounds like cope, there was not a gigiantic outpour of people saying mk11 gameplay was godlike.

There was major noise about mk11 shipping more finished and polished as a product and that is 100% the truth.

You can believe whatever you want, but the cycle was broken.
 

Jynks

some heroes are born, some made, some wondrous
I dont really care how much a streamer makes or not, nor is it indicative of a cycle continuing.
It is not about how much he makes, it is about how well the game is received.

Dismissing peoples preference you do not agree with is just a form of gaslighting. Saying there is some reason their opinion is not worth listening too, or is corrupted somehow, is just a way to dismiss it and not take it on board. Everyone hates X... but I like X.. yeah but you are a shill "fan girl"... so actually everyone hates X... this kind of thinking is obviously completable bollocks.

You can believe whatever you want, but the cycle was broken.
except for literally ALL the people that are saying MK11 was awesome now and are choosing to play it over other fighting games... which there are many.
 
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I don’t know about the NRS scene from game to game, but right now fighting games are struggling to grow relative to other genres, especially amongst younger gamers. The new generation branding that MK1 has and some of the redesigns seem like attempts at following trends. They weren’t trying to “beat Street Fighter” with MK1 - I think they were trying to surpass MK11’s sales and really get some visibility. I see peacemaker/Omniman as examples of the kinds of guest zoomers would want.

Presently, I think MK1 is in a good place. But that’s for a player like me. The loudest complaints about MK1 were about its single player content - an aspect I don’t really care about that much. But I’m happy.

the elephant in the room is the state of fighting games in general. I love em but I think the financials could catch up with them. MK1 already seems a bit shrinkflated from mk11
 
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Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
The thing is, there’s not many places you can go to vent your frustrations with a game franchise you love with other people who also share your same passions. Likewise, there’s also a lot of people on this site that love MK1 and can’t stand or understand why people would come here to criticize or even just shit on the game. The hardcore, dedicated or competitive MK community isn’t very large tbh. As corny as it sounds, people just want to share their feelings about things with others. On Twitter, unless you have a decent following, no one is probably going to even pay attention to what you say. And Discord is filled with way too many people, so again, your opinions just get lost in the sauce.

So people come here to either share their love of MK1, or to share their disappointment with it, two sides of the same coin imo. However, I believe most if not all who are disappointed are only disappointed because they’re huge fans of MK and also probably think MK1 has (or had) the potential to be much better.

But both sides very understandably get annoyed by the other. If you enjoy MK1, why would you want to see constant criticism or shit talk about the game on a website dedicated to said game? And if you don’t enjoy MK1 and think there’s obvious issues with it, it’s easy to think that those who like it and constantly express as much and more importantly argue with them when they’re critical of it, that they are just shills or just, idk, lying to themselves or something.

Just some observations I’ve had especially reading the back and forths in this thread. At the end of the day, I do believe we all want what’s best for MK and MK1. There’s just not many places to share your opinions where other people will actually see them or where there’s other people who also ultimately want what’s best for the game and community.

¯\(ツ)
 

Vulgar

Kombatant
This kinda sounds like cope, there was not a gigiantic outpour of people saying mk11 gameplay was godlike.

There was major noise about mk11 shipping more finished and polished as a product and that is 100% the truth.

You can believe whatever you want, but the cycle was broken.
You just basically said, "I'm rubber, you're glue."

Truly, a mind for the ages.
 

LEGEND

YES!
The Mexico tournament was pretty hype. Every match I tuned into was sick.
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Still, I can't be bothered to boot up the game because I know I'll just rage at the terrible built-in delay and the long breaks between matches stuck staring at a blank screen.
 

PrinceGoro

Apprentice
You just basically said, "I'm rubber, you're glue."

Truly, a mind for the ages.
Heyy man, its not my problem projection is your strongest suit lol.

You told me im not engaging in reality as you yourself proceed to not engage in reality.

The cycle is a universal opinion by the overwhleming majority of the community and competative scene that the previous games gameplay was better and is goated etc.

This did not happen for mk11 after mk1 my guy.
 

Vulgar

Kombatant
Heyy man, its not my problem projection is your strongest suit lol.

You told me im not engaging in reality as you yourself proceed to not engage in reality.

The cycle is a universal opinion by the overwhleming majority of the community and competative scene that the previous games gameplay was better and is goated etc.

This did not happen for mk11 after mk1 my guy.
Call me when you're ready to re-join the rest of us in the real world.
 

Subby Z

Apprentice
I never thought I would side with Vulgar, but he’s right about Mk11.

Again you guys can hate on it. I know it’s not competitively favored, but people liked that game and I remember watching Super when Mk1 was in the middle of it’s flop and he even admitted fans were requesting to him to please go back and play MK11, but he didn’t want to haha. So I think there was just a HUGE divide.

Casual fans loved that game (I loved that game.lol). The story was iffy but damn they really nailed personalities of a lot of the characters and that was a beautiful thing to see. Plus after all of the DLC was over the roster was just great. I know it had some out there choices, but the good was really good.

MK11 was not their failure of a game guys. It just wasn’t. I stand by saying MK11 is what gave MK1 that surge. Then people picked up Mk1 and were like wtf? Then it flopped haha.

That’s why I say MK1 isn’t giving the next game a surge. I think a lot of people left and idk who’s coming back. If they don’t get back to the actual characters in the next game MK11 may have been my last.

Also if anyone doubts MK1 went down the “woke” route just look up gail simone and how she supported the “new lore” from MK1. Then look up the history of Gail Simone. Just go down a little rabbit hole with it.
 

M2Dave

Zoning Master
Strictly speaking about the gameplay, Mortal Kombat 11 was most definitely a failure.

As evidenced by tournament results, the last couple of patches made the games less balanced and less interesting.

High level play aside, the game feels objectively counter-intuitive for beginners and intermediate players.

Mortal Kombat 9 and X well as Injustice 1 and 2 have trained players to practice their combos and okizeme setups, two gameplay aspects that are limited in Mortal Kombat 11 because of breakaway and the wake up system.

Mortal Kombat 11 essentially "punishes" (in the literal as well as figurative sense) players for practicing their long combos and elaborative okizeme setups.

Moreover, flawless blocking, advertised as the game's defensive mechanic, eventually turned into a pseudo option select that mimics an armored launcher, which lots of players despised in Mortal Kombat X.

Good news! Now every character has one in Mortal Kombat 11! LOL.

Speaking of armor, fatal blows were unbearable, particularly upon the game's release, even for a guy like me who gets a boner for armor.

Mortal Kombat 11 is largely "powered" by its universal gameplay mechanics (i.e., breakaway, wake up roll, flawless block, fatal blow, etc.)

Only a handful of characters (i.e., namely Cetrion, Fujin, Jacqui, Kotal Kahn, Sub Zero, among others) have any identity. I played the game for a year and I genuinely cannot recall what half the roster does or is supposed to be good at.

I do recall spamming razors with pre-patch Kitana. I am not going to lie, but she was fun in a braindead way.

A redesigned flawless block aside, none of these egregious gameplay elements transitioned into Mortal Kombat 1, and for very good reasons.

In my humble opinion, Mortal Kombat 11 is one of the worst fighting games that I have ever played.
 

Vulgar

Kombatant
I never thought I would side with Vulgar, but he’s right about Mk11.

Again you guys can hate on it. I know it’s not competitively favored, but people liked that game and I remember watching Super when Mk1 was in the middle of it’s flop and he even admitted fans were requesting to him to please go back and play MK11, but he didn’t want to haha. So I think there was just a HUGE divide.

Casual fans loved that game (I loved that game.lol). The story was iffy but damn they really nailed personalities of a lot of the characters and that was a beautiful thing to see. Plus after all of the DLC was over the roster was just great. I know it had some out there choices, but the good was really good.

MK11 was not their failure of a game guys. It just wasn’t. I stand by saying MK11 is what gave MK1 that surge. Then people picked up Mk1 and were like wtf? Then it flopped haha.

That’s why I say MK1 isn’t giving the next game a surge. I think a lot of people left and idk who’s coming back. If they don’t get back to the actual characters in the next game MK11 may have been my last.

Also if anyone doubts MK1 went down the “woke” route just look up gail simone and how she supported the “new lore” from MK1. Then look up the history of Gail Simone. Just go down a little rabbit hole with it.
Gail Simone is a critically acclaimed and respected author in comics.

Please take a shower, chud.
 

Subby Z

Apprentice
Gail Simone is a critically acclaimed and respected author in comics.

Please take a shower, chud.
She kinda sucks tbh

Also she supported The Marvels and urged fans to turn out for it. The marvels is like one of the worst performing marvel films ever. She must like things that fail.
 

YagamiFire

Apprentice
She kinda sucks tbh
She's overwhelmingly mid AF. She ranges from serviceable to 'bleh' and has gotten worse as she's gone on. Her Bird's of Prey stuff was alright and her Secret Six was quite good but almost everything else? Not so much.

Also she supported The Marvels and urged fans to turn out for it. The marvels is like one of the worst performing marvel films ever. She must like things that fail.
Also the Marvels didn't just utterly fail (which is not a metric of quality), it was also utter dogshit. Awful script. Objectively bad (which IS a metric of quality).
 

Vulgar

Kombatant
She kinda sucks tbh

Also she supported The Marvels and urged fans to turn out for it. The marvels is like one of the worst performing marvel films ever. She must like things that fail.
Did you actually watch it or are you just parroting whatever The Quartering told you? I'm not arguing box office numbers, but we can acknowledge that it is not unheard of for a movie to be good and yet not do well at the box office, right?

Nah, Gail Simone has done some great work in the comics industry.

She's done great work on Birds of Prey, Secret Six, Deadpool, Wonder Woman, Batgirl, etc.

But to be honest, I already know the direction this discussion is going to go, given the right-wing, grifter, anti-woke, Youtube'r arguments you've made thus far.
 

Vulgar

Kombatant
I never thought I would side with Vulgar, but he’s right about Mk11.

Again you guys can hate on it. I know it’s not competitively favored, but people liked that game and I remember watching Super when Mk1 was in the middle of it’s flop and he even admitted fans were requesting to him to please go back and play MK11, but he didn’t want to haha. So I think there was just a HUGE divide.

Casual fans loved that game (I loved that game.lol). The story was iffy but damn they really nailed personalities of a lot of the characters and that was a beautiful thing to see. Plus after all of the DLC was over the roster was just great. I know it had some out there choices, but the good was really good.

MK11 was not their failure of a game guys. It just wasn’t. I stand by saying MK11 is what gave MK1 that surge. Then people picked up Mk1 and were like wtf? Then it flopped haha.

That’s why I say MK1 isn’t giving the next game a surge. I think a lot of people left and idk who’s coming back. If they don’t get back to the actual characters in the next game MK11 may have been my last.

Also if anyone doubts MK1 went down the “woke” route just look up gail simone and how she supported the “new lore” from MK1. Then look up the history of Gail Simone. Just go down a little rabbit hole with it.
Just as a reminder: He's never played the game. It's all vibes.