Khaos Reigns Official Announcement Trailer

 

Tomb Raider was always a woman, wasn't she?

I assume he means Indiana Jones.

 

What's amusing to me is that the, "go woke, go broke" crowd almost always ignore every game or project that completely destroys their narrative.

Amazon's Fallout was super well-recieved despite being "woke."

X-Men 97 - an extremely "woke" show was a massive success

Then you have Baldur's Gate 3 - a game full of queer people, people of color, pretty much everything these people hate - Game of the Year and swept pretty much every award worth having the year it came out.

And of course, MK1. Best selling fighting game out of all it's competitors.

See, they've made consuming media their entire personalities and so, if ever this media changes or is criticized in some way, they view it as a personal attack on themselves.

Rather than expressing any kind of basic human empathy or intellectual curiosity and talk to people outside their circle or actually educate themselves, they retreat into the echo chamber, call everything they don't like "woke" or "DEI" without ever actually being able to CONSISTENTLY define those phrases in the context they use them in, and are clearly very miserable people.

I, for one, can't imagine having such a deficit of real world problems as to get so angry that women and brown people exist in a video game. What a luxury.

I'm not sure where this idea that MK1 is getting "abandoned" is coming from. They said that during the game's first six months and it didn't happen. Likewise, Ed Boon has said KP2 isn't the end of support for MK1. The game is in the best spot it's been in some time and it's only going to continue to improve.

 

Also, those pushing the idea that the gender swap was, "lazy," don't understand how writing works.

First, they would have to come up with a backstory, characterization, personalities, etc that fit with the world they created. Then you have to write the script. That script goes through many edits and drafts to accommodate what can and can't be animated, motion captured, rendered, etc within engine.

It's a lot of work. Making video games is hard work. Even the most polished of Triple A titles are a couple lines of code from completely falling apart.

 

Amazon's Fallout was super well-recieved despite being "woke."

Curious, how was Fallout being called "woke?"

 

I'm not sure where this idea that MK1 is getting "abandoned" is coming from. They said that during the game's first six months and it didn't happen. Likewise, Ed Boon has said KP2 isn't the end of support for MK1. The game is in the best spot it's been in some time and it's only going to continue to improve.

There's this little website which shows you how many people play a game on Steam at the same time, giving you an idea of the relative player base of a game.

There were times 2-3 months ago that MK1 had 1-2K players, while SF6 had 6-8K as well as Tekken 8. You could also see that MK11 had more players playing at the same time back in say, May than MK1 had.



You can see 1.2K players were online playing MK1 back in May, on Steam, with its peak being 38K players. The numbers got a bump in the past few days, due to the patch and the KP2 trailer, no doubt. But the fact remains that MK1 at best, maintains 1/10th of its playerbase, and at worst, 1/20th.

Now, let's check out Tekken.



It had a few more buyers, but managed to maintain 1/5th of its playerbase's interest, which means more of the people who bought it decided to drop down the controller after the honeymoon period of the first couple of weeks.

So, the claim that MK1 is in 'the best spot it has ever been' is a flat out lie.

Rather than expressing any kind of basic human empathy or intellectual curiosity and talk to people outside their circle or actually educate themselves, they retreat into the echo chamber, call everything they don't like "woke" or "DEI" without ever actually being able to CONSISTENTLY define those phrases in the context they use them in, and are clearly very miserable people.

Amazon's Fallout was super well-recieved despite being "woke."

X-Men 97 - an extremely "woke" show was a massive success

Then you have Baldur's Gate 3 - a game full of queer people, people of color, pretty much everything these people hate - Game of the Year and swept pretty much every award worth having the year it came out.

So, you claim there is no definition of 'woke', and in the same breath call the shows/games above as woke? I'm confused. How can you classify something as 'woke' when you claim there is no definition?

At any rate, a product can be woke and good at the same time. But due to the nature of how DEI works, the odds are against it. It's not impossible, but it IS more difficult.

And X-Men 97 wasn't a success. It was reviewed well, but its numbers were disappointing, according to the ratings.

 

There's this little website which shows you how many people play a game on Steam at the same time, giving you an idea of the relative player base of a game.

I'd be curious to see the numbers from PlayStation, as the primary version of the game and the tournament standard version.

For fighting games, PC versions (Steam or otherwise) are never the best metric to determine success/player base.

 

I'd be curious to see the numbers from PlayStation, as the primary version of the game and the tournament standard version.

For fighting games, PC versions (Steam or otherwise) are never the best metric to determine success/player base.

Sure it's not - I'm not claiming that 2K people only play MK1 from all systems. My point was that MK1's PC playerbase literally fled after 2-3 months, but a very solid portion of the Tekken fanbase on PC decided to stick around. Same with Street Fighter 6.

The point is that it's not a PC issue, it's an MK1 issue.



Back in June, the MK11 playerbase on Steam was two to THREE TIMES the playebase on MK1.

 

One more thing and I swear I'm done with this topic:

The people that argue, "we think it's lazy to change x character to (insert marginalized group) rather than making something new," are missing a few key factors:

1) The premise of MK1. The entire concept of the New Era was to deliberately change canon and do different things with existing characters than what came before. Ed Boon has said this multiple times in interviews. Now you may not like the changes and that's fine to a point - but Cyrax and Sektor were always going to be different. Just like every other character is.

2) Your argument is that changing a straight, white character to something else rather than, "make something new" implies that the default isn't for anyone else other than straight white people.

We'll take The Doctor, for example. I don't like Doctor Who but my roommate is a Whovian so I know a little. When you get mad that they make the Doctor a woman or something - because they're now a woman - you're saying that women aren't welcome in your space. This is because all people like seeing characters that look like them or represent them in their favorite media.

As white people, we've been the "default" in the vast majority of media for a very long time, so long that many people don't even think about it. But that's not been the case for people of color and queer people, who might like to see a black or lady Doctor. By bucking against this, you're displaying:

1) That you are afraid of change.

2) That marginalized people are not welcome in your "scene."

If you have the ability to empathize, how do you think that feels being on the other end?

Nothing fundamentally changes if the Doctor is a lady instead of a guy. In fact, I'm pretty sure The Master became a lady at one point. The world kept spinning and it didn't ultimately matter.

The people that argue "pandering" and "woke" don't ultimately care about any of this, though. They are fundamentally uncurious people with no ability to empathize with people that are unlike themselves, so I don't expect to change anyone's mind.

I just wanted to engage in as good faith as possible with these arguments.

At the end of the day, KP2 is gonna sell like gang busters.

 

There's this little website which shows you how many people play a game on Steam at the same time, giving you an idea of the relative player base of a game.

There were times 2-3 months ago that MK1 had 1-2K players, while SF6 had 6-8K as well as Tekken 8. You could also see that MK11 had more players playing at the same time back in say, May than MK1 had.

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You can see 1.2K players were online playing MK1 back in May, on Steam, with its peak being 38K players. The numbers got a bump in the past few days, due to the patch and the KP2 trailer, no doubt. But the fact remains that MK1 at best, maintains 1/10th of its playerbase, and at worst, 1/20th.

Now, let's check out Tekken.

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It had a few more buyers, but managed to maintain 1/5th of its playerbase's interest, which means more of the people who bought it decided to drop down the controller after the honeymoon period of the first couple of weeks.

So, the claim that MK1 is in 'the best spot it has ever been' is a flat out lie.





So, you claim there is no definition of 'woke', and in the same breath call the shows/games above as woke? I'm confused. How can you classify something as 'woke' when you claim there is no definition?

At any rate, a product can be woke and good at the same time. But due to the nature of how DEI works, the odds are against it. It's not impossible, but it IS more difficult.

And X-Men 97 wasn't a success. It was reviewed well, but its numbers were disappointing, according to the ratings.

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Couple things:

The vast majority of people that bought MK1 didn't do so on Steam. So I don't really give a shit about that.

Secondly, you've shown me a screenshot with no source or author. Useless. Not only was X-Men '97 critically acclaimed, but they've already wrapped up VA work on Season 2.

Doesn't sound like it's going anywhere anytime soon.

My claim was that you have no CONSISTENT definition of woke, which you don't.

Even capitalizing entire words doesn't aid in some people's reading comprehension.

 

Curious, how was Fallout being called "woke?"

Lots of complaining by the usual red pill grifters about the main protag being a woman, about The Ghoul being in an interracial marriage, about The Brotherhood character we follow being black, etc.

 

Also, those pushing the idea that the gender swap was, "lazy," don't understand how writing works.

First, they would have to come up with a backstory, characterization, personalities, etc that fit with the world they created. Then you have to write the script. That script goes through many edits and drafts to accommodate what can and can't be animated, motion captured, rendered, etc within engine.

It's a lot of work. Making video games is hard work. Even the most polished of Triple A titles are a couple lines of code from completely falling apart.

I think you're intentionally misrepresenting the argument here. No one is saying that genderswapping magically makes the characters appear in the game without any effort. However, it's impossible to ignore the fact that it is FAR easier to genderswap a character than it is to create a unique and original character what will be as iconic, interesting, and well-received as the legacy characters that already exist.

Creating a new character is a difficult process, and people know that. That's why the temptation to take an established character, change a few things about them, then resell them can be so overwhelming. So when customers see a AAA developer/producer take the tempting easy route, they are lambasted as being lazy, and rightfully so.

 

Sure it's not - I'm not claiming that 2K people only play MK1 from all systems. My point was that MK1's PC playerbase literally fled after 2-3 months, but a very solid portion of the Tekken fanbase on PC decided to stick around. Same with Street Fighter 6.

The point is that it's not a PC issue, it's an MK1 issue.

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Back in June, the MK11 playerbase on Steam was two to THREE TIMES the playebase on MK1.

This man thinks the entire world exists through Steam. Lmao.

Good luck with your "half a million" steam user protest group. I'm sure that'll stop game devs dead in their tracks!

 

I think you're intentionally misrepresenting the argument here. No one is saying that genderswapping magically makes the characters appear in the game without any effort. However, it's impossible to ignore the fact that it is FAR easier to genderswap a character than it is to create a unique and original character what will be as iconic, interesting, and well-received as the legacy characters that already exist.

Creating a new character is a difficult process, and people know that. That's why the temptation to take an established character, change a few things about them, then resell them can be so overwhelming. So when customers see a AAA developer/producer take the tempting easy route, they are lambasted as being lazy, and rightfully so.

Except I've already demonstrated why it isn't "easy" or "lazy."

Additionally, MK1's concept wasn't, "introduce a slew of new characters" it was, "re-imagine existing characters."

So yeah, they did the thing they said from Day One that they're going to do.

 

One more thing and I swear I'm done with this topic:

The people that argue, "we think it's lazy to change x character to (insert marginalized group) rather than making something new," are missing a few key factors:

1) The premise of MK1. The entire concept of the New Era was to deliberately change canon and do different things with existing characters than what came before. Ed Boon has said this multiple times in interviews. Now you may not like the changes and that's fine to a point - but Cyrax and Sektor were always going to be different. Just like every other character is.

2) Your argument is that changing a straight, white character to something else rather than, "make something new" implies that the default isn't for anyone else other than straight white people.

We'll take The Doctor, for example. I don't like Doctor Who but my roommate is a Whovian so I know a little. When you get mad that they make the Doctor a woman or something - because they're now a woman - you're saying that women aren't welcome in your space. This is because all people like seeing characters that look like them or represent them in their favorite media.

As white people, we've been the "default" in the vast majority of media for a very long time, so long that many people don't even think about it. But that's not been the case for people of color and queer people, who might like to see a black or lady Doctor. By bucking against this, you're displaying:

1) That you are afraid of change.

2) That marginalized people are not welcome in your "scene."

If you have the ability to empathize, how do you think that feels being on the other end?

Nothing fundamentally changes if the Doctor is a lady instead of a guy. In fact, I'm pretty sure The Master became a lady at one point. The world kept spinning and it didn't ultimately matter.

The people that argue "pandering" and "woke" don't ultimately care about any of this, though. They are fundamentally uncurious people with no ability to empathize with people that are unlike themselves, so I don't expect to change anyone's mind.

I just wanted to engage in as good faith as possible with these arguments.

At the end of the day, KP2 is gonna sell like gang busters.

No one sane has any problem with women or minorities having roles in media and stories. My favorite character in FF7 is Tifa. My main lead in the superhero webcomic I am making is a lesbian. Most of the most beloved characters in Doctor Who are women.

The problem is when established characters are killed off / replaced / shamed / emasculated in order to leave the viewer/reader/player with no choice but to accept the change in the status quo.

To give you an example:

I like Miles Morales as a character. He's not THE Spider-Man, but he's one the best Spider-heroes I've read. He's kind-hearted, humble and has a good, righteous heart. I had no problem playing as him in SM MM. My problem comes in SM2 when he's basically replacing Peter by the end, who is written badly and out of character in order to pave the way for Miles to replace him. Replacing the original. THE Spider-Man. That's where my problem is. When you write Peter to gradually become a nervous wreck who by the end of SM2 basically retires due to 'mental health' issues and 'working on his marriage' at his THIRTIES, just so that you can replace him with Miles, I have a problem. You take away my hero, the original, in order to give me the side-kick, the replacement. You send Batman to fuck off with Selina in order for Robin to take on the Joker. It is fucking laughable and I oppose such writing with every fiber of my being. And then I get devs of Insomniac telling me that 'Miles replacing Peter was always the plan'? Fuck. OFF.

No one had any problem with the Doctor becoming a black man. The problem is that they are writing him like a pathetic wretch of a man who constantly panics, whines, bitches and moans, which is literally unlike what the Doctor is supposed to be. It is bad writing and uses 'muh racism' as defense against criticism.

It's lazy, it's tedious, and it's outplayed its welcome.

 

The reason characters get gender swapped is because ratio of women to men in video games is like 1:10, but ratio of women to men in real life is like 2.5:1.

Some call it Marketing.

Except it's lazy marketing and rarely works. If you want to attract women to video games, make good female characters. D'vorah is fucking great, and at least the kombat kiddies were new. It's not like MK1 has good writing, but gender swaps are often a red flag of low quality content.

Again my stance is I don't care about this swap, because sek/cyrax are barely fleshed out characters anyways. I doubt there's going to be a significant amount of new players because of this, and i'm 60/40 they'll make them both good because pandering like this often doesn't have the guts, or the writing, to make them evil.

 

Should've just renamed the female cyborgs. Why call them Sektor/Cypax? The Lin Kuei had this robotic program of killing machines, I can buy some chicks with similar powers to the OGs thrown in. Just rename the dames and youre good to go.

Nah, everything we held in positive rememberance must be destroyed.

 

My claim was that you have no CONSISTENT definition of woke, which you don't.

A bit on the dramatic, but pretty accurate, nonetheless.

 

Seems like there's a general argument here that you can change anything about a character's appearance, backstory, personality but as long as you keep the same name, no one should dislike it. Silly

 

Seems like there's a general argument here that you can change anything about a character's appearance, backstory, personality but as long as you keep the same name, no one should dislike it. Silly

Somewhat. Apparently it's ok to dislike Kuai Liang becoming Scorpion, but disliking Sektor and Cyrax becoming Ironheart rip-offs is a bridge too far.

 

Seems like there's a general argument here that you can change anything about a character's appearance, backstory, personality but as long as you keep the same name, no one should dislike it. Silly

Everyone is free to dislike or like whatever they want, and give their opinions on it. That's absolutely fine.

The argument here from my understanding however is not so much about MK and the characters, but more about woke culture. I understand this might be a huge topic in America, but not all of us are American here. Personally, it doesn't affect my life and I don't care for it, and I feel annoyed that it keeps popping up in a gaming forum.

@Mr Aquaman @CrimsonShadow @RoboCop @Juggs Maybe you guys should consider making a Politics category in the forum or something. Just a suggestion.

 

Everyone is free to dislike or like whatever they want, and give their opinions on it. That's absolutely fine.

The argument here from my understanding however is not so much about MK and the characters, but more about woke culture. I understand this might be a huge topic in America, but not all of us are American here. Personally, it doesn't affect my life and I don't care for it, and I feel annoyed that it keeps popping up in a gaming forum.

@Mr Aquaman @CrimsonShadow @RoboCop @Juggs Maybe you guys should consider making a Politics category in the forum or something. Just a suggestion.

Politics is currently a banned topic on TYM. Pretty much anywhere is a better place to discuss politics than on a forum for video games. Unfortunately, the "woke/anti-woke" nonsense is basically unavoidable when it comes to stuff like gender-swapped characters.

 

Sure it's not - I'm not claiming that 2K people only play MK1 from all systems. My point was that MK1's PC playerbase literally fled after 2-3 months, but a very solid portion of the Tekken fanbase on PC decided to stick around. Same with Street Fighter 6.

The point is that it's not a PC issue, it's an MK1 issue.

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Back in June, the MK11 playerbase on Steam was two to THREE TIMES the playebase on MK1.

Ah. Keep in mind, I recall there was a solid drop in player base for Mortal Kombat X and Mortal Kombat 11 as well a few weeks after launch. A lot of people seem to play the Story Mode and then move on to the next game. It was a constant "discussion point" for each game back in the day about why said latest Mortal Kombat was a "bad game." Or bad port.

Lots of complaining by the usual red pill grifters about the main protag being a woman, about The Ghoul being in an interracial marriage, about The Brotherhood character we follow being black, etc.

I find that odd. At least with the modern (i.e. Bethesda Game Studios) Fallout games, you've been able to choose the gender of your character in each game. And with the Black Widow perk and the majority of human enemies being male, it is generally agreed that a female player character ends up being the "stonger" of characters in the games. I'm pretty sure we see interracial couples in the games as well, as well as non-white Brotherhood of Steel members.

People are weird.

 

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A bit on the dramatic, but pretty accurate, nonetheless.

Remember when this was a video game forum

 

One more thing and I swear I'm done with this topic:

The people that argue, "we think it's lazy to change x character to (insert marginalized group) rather than making something new," are missing a few key factors:

1) The premise of MK1. The entire concept of the New Era was to deliberately change canon and do different things with existing characters than what came before. Ed Boon has said this multiple times in interviews. Now you may not like the changes and that's fine to a point - but Cyrax and Sektor were always going to be different. Just like every other character is.

2) Your argument is that changing a straight, white character to something else rather than, "make something new" implies that the default isn't for anyone else other than straight white people.

We'll take The Doctor, for example. I don't like Doctor Who but my roommate is a Whovian so I know a little. When you get mad that they make the Doctor a woman or something - because they're now a woman - you're saying that women aren't welcome in your space. This is because all people like seeing characters that look like them or represent them in their favorite media.

As white people, we've been the "default" in the vast majority of media for a very long time, so long that many people don't even think about it. But that's not been the case for people of color and queer people, who might like to see a black or lady Doctor. By bucking against this, you're displaying:

1) That you are afraid of change.

2) That marginalized people are not welcome in your "scene."

If you have the ability to empathize, how do you think that feels being on the other end?

Nothing fundamentally changes if the Doctor is a lady instead of a guy. In fact, I'm pretty sure The Master became a lady at one point. The world kept spinning and it didn't ultimately matter.

The people that argue "pandering" and "woke" don't ultimately care about any of this, though. They are fundamentally uncurious people with no ability to empathize with people that are unlike themselves, so I don't expect to change anyone's mind.

I just wanted to engage in as good faith as possible with these arguments.

At the end of the day, KP2 is gonna sell like gang busters.

Your logical continuity is one of the worst i have ever seen.

You state that if they gender swap a male character to a female and that if someond is against it,that means they hate women,LMAO.

Yeah thats why me, as someone who doesnt like it(explained why at lengths with clear facts and why its bad and connected to the utlra left agenda) suggested that they should have went with skarlet and jade... I hate women so much i suggested not one but two to be added and actively play some of the female characters...

You just cant help yourself but lie and make up stuff and lable people because you cant escape the truth so you resort to that.

Its fascinating to me that the ultra left claims that you cant relate to or be inspired by someone thats not your race lol.
Im a white dude and growing up i had a bunch of black athlets as role models that i was inspired by, as i was doing sports,im able to do that because i dont look at people through the color of their skin yet you seem obssesed by it.

Literally every single lable you attempt to attribute to people that push back against the leftist cult is wrong.

My guy, race swaping an established charcater thats white into a black dude to satisfy a DEI quota and because you want to force and agenda is the most retarded thing ever,same for gender swapping.

Its almost unbelivable how you are calling me and others racist,yet we are literally calling for cyrax to be cyrax,a black dude from botswana.
We are fans of cyrax knowing he is a black dude yet we are racist,thats the argument you are going with...

Its hilariouse to read your posts honestly,because it re-affirms one thing,and that is that leftists always find a way to shit in their own mouth and you continue to prove that every single time you post.

 

Personally, I couldn't care less about that DEI Reigns expansion, I just want those two costumes for Kenshi & Takeda: