Poll: Should Cyrax be Changed Before Final Kombat?

[rifraf]

Well, it's official. Cyrax stays for Final Kombat but changes are coming afterwards.

https://x.com/MortalKombat/status/1799164212138414374

 

[rifraf]

Meme Kombat

Meh, I'm not even going to watch that crap anymore.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

this is a lose lose scenario for NRS. I dont care anymore. They dont.

100% agreed. The Kombat Kast and everyone else responsible for these shenanigans have got their money. They haven't been worried about majors for a while.

Let the whole circus burn down.
Build something better in its' place.

 

[LEGEND]

Screw comms, honestly. My thought is focused on why EVERY patch since release has had a slew of undocumented changes. What is NRS' internal logging process and why does it seem to always fail?

This is super concerning to me, honestly

short list of problems from various employer reviews that I've read over the years:

- OGs at the company are stagnant and don't give a single shit.

- Alot of the work is done by contractors and people that aren't invested in the company or the quality of the game.

- Lots of turnover and lack of leadership/accountability.

- Low pay.

Not exactly surprising.

 

[CanoCano]

https://x.com/MortalKombat/status/1799164212138414374?s=19

Cyrax will be legal for Final Kombat and will stay like this

 

[LEGEND]

They basically had to take that vote. The Cyrax changes are minor compared to rebalancing the entire cast just before the second biggest major of the year.

tbf i think everyone was done with year 1 at that point. Also, if this was capcom cup or something there's no shot the competitive base would've voted to rock the new patch

 

[CanoCano]

short list of problems from various employer reviews that I've read over the years:

- OGs at the company are stagnant and don't give a single shit.

- Alot of the work is done by contractors and people that aren't invested in the company or the quality of the game.

- Lots of turnover and lack of leadership/accountability.

- Low pay.

Not exactly surprising.

Also the insane crunch some devs are put through, on top of other stuff like workplace harassment without consequence

 

[wsj515]

Amateur hour - can’t believe that can’t just hotfix it out.

 

[wsj515]

This is the highest prize pool tourney NRS scene has had in 5 years I think? And this happens lmao.

 

[BarakaTile]

Well, it's official. Cyrax stays for Final Kombat but changes are coming afterwards.

https://x.com/MortalKombat/status/1799164212138414374

Until those changes I'm entering my villain arc. I'm gonna pick Baraka/Cyrax up.

I had no desire to play it last year or until the recent patch but I'm still very annoyed that Baraka got his base damage nerfed purely because of this stupid flying robot's crimes.

Now I want to make the game less fun for people who cried about it and indirectly got Baraka nerfed.

 

[Lex Luthor II]

I think I saw an NRS tweet saying that to address the current Cyrax situation they are going to... nerf Reptile's damage again.

 

[Juggs]

Well, it's official. Cyrax stays for Final Kombat but changes are coming afterwards.

https://x.com/MortalKombat/status/1799164212138414374

Imo this is good for viewership, bad for the players. At the same time, most of the participants at least have prior experience with Cyrax at his full potential, now they just need to grind out the MU to see what new things there are as well as refresh their memories. That said, Cyrax even without this is actually a lot better than he gets credit for. Mainly because other Kameos just are more versatile. But now, he’s back to being a top tier Kameo.

I’m actually glad we won’t be seeing nothing but Khameleon, Kano and Janet Kameos. This also gives me more hope for MKJavier. I don’t think he stood much of a chance with Khameleon. Even though she’s a good Kameo in general and for him, I think Cyrax is overall a better fit for Scorpion.

Anyway, super excited for Final Kombat. I just really hope they’re smart enough to stream every match.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Imo this is good for viewership, bad for the players. At the same time, most of the participants at least have prior experience with Cyrax at his full potential, now they just need to grind out the MU to see what new things there are as well as refresh their memories. That said, Cyrax even without this is actually a lot better than he gets credit for. Mainly because other Kameos just are more versatile. But now, he’s back to being a top tier Kameo.

I’m actually glad we won’t be seeing nothing but Khameleon, Kano and Janet Kameos. This also gives me more hope for MKJavier. I don’t think he stood much of a chance with Khameleon. Even though she’s a good Kameo in general and for him, I think Cyrax is overall a better fit for Scorpion.

Combo Breaker Top 8 was Lao, Mavado, Goro, Motaro, Khameleon, Janet, Sub-Zero, Kano (8 different Kameos). There's never been a situation where there were only 3 Kameos used, and Cyrax might lead to less diversity rather than more. Combined with the lack of counterplay, it may be a tough sell that it's better for viewers.

But it's probably better than rushing a fix that breaks something else.

 

[rifraf]

But it's probably better than rushing a fix that breaks something else.

Absolutely. But, they could've just ban the Kameo for this tournament only.

 

[Pan1cMode]

Absolutely. But, they could've just ban the Kameo for this tournament only.

They could, but someone like Souls Clue, who uses and has been using Sindel/Cyrax would be quite unfairly disadvantaged.

 

[Juggs]

Combo Breaker Top 8 was Lao, Mavado, Goro, Motaro, Khameleon, Janet, Sub-Zero, Kano (8 different Kameos). There's never been a situation where there were only 3 Kameos used, and Cyrax might lead to less diversity rather than more.

Combined with the lack of counterplay, it may be a tough sell that it's better for viewers.

All but 1 player in that top 8 used Khameleon, Janet or Kano. And that 1 player used Mavado instead, a new Kameo that is also pretty good.

Anyway, I obviously wasn’t saying these were the only Kameos that we were going to see if Cyrax didn’t get reverted and allowed to rock. But these Kameos are objectively used the most as they’re the best and most versatile. You might see the occasional counterpick Kameo of Sub, Motaro, etc. But there’s a difference between players trying these Kameos in specific MU’s or in desperation, as well as the Kameos actually being effective enough to outperform the top ones. Can’t just only look at what Kameos were “used”, gotta look at the context and results of these decisions as well

 

[nxn]

The rules are set now, so let's see what actually happens. I'm still of the opinion that Cyrax will not be some auto-win kameo that everyoone defaults to picking. That's a fear for KL, but in terms of Final Kombat -- Cyrax shouldn't be a threat because these are literally the best players in the world, and they will flawless block.

 

[fr stack]

Ive noticed some of the players will go cyrax but switch right quick when they lose i dont think he is as tippety top as he was before other kameos got introduced

 

[M2Dave]

All but 1 player in that top 8 used Khameleon...

Correct.

The community is distracted by Homelander and Cyrax, but Khameleon, especially, was used a lot. At least every second match in the top 8 included Khameleon. King and King Jr., who were present at Combo Breaker, also confirmed to me privately that there were a lot of Khameleon players off stream.

Kameos, Cyrax in this instance, being added to the meta is a positive, not a negative, thing. I could be mistaken, but I do not believe that Cyrax will take control of the meta as he has done before. If you analyze some of the game's current top tier characters like Liu Kang, Reiko, Peacemaker, and Tanya, they do not synergize very well with Cyrax. I am concerned about Homelander's bugs, glitches, and infinite combos, but as far as Cyrax goes, I think that the game will be OK next weekend.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Reminder: witchunting specific people who are not empowered to make any of the game design, balance, or leadership decisions is not ok. It's fair to have all kinds of opinions about the game, but keep it civil.

 

[Kiss the Missile]

I feel like at launch Cyrax was definitely too strong, but in this post dlc power creep I definitely think Cyrax is on par with the other Kameos.

If Cyrax was a brand new kameo and came out like this now, people would say "damn he's good" but nobody would be asking for him to be banned lol

 

[UghGetOuttaHere]

I feel like at launch Cyrax was definitely too strong, but in this post dlc power creep I definitely think Cyrax is on par with the other Kameos.

If Cyrax was a brand new kameo and came out like this now, people would say "damn he's good" but nobody would be asking for him to be banned lol

Fair. And Cyrax's egregious partners got toned down as well.

The thing is... everyone is viewing this whole thing a little to black and white. I feel like there is a solution that can allow it to be used for half a bar if certain criteria is met. If they criteria isn't met, Full Bar kameo ambush. NRS doesn't like to think past layer 2 because things get complicated to balance.

 

[Kiss the Missile]

Fair. And Cyrax's egregious partners got toned down as well.

The thing is... everyone is viewing this whole thing a little to black and white. I feel like there is a solution that can allow it to be used for half a bar if certain criteria is met. If they criteria isn't met, Full Bar kameo ambush. NRS doesn't like to think past layer 2 because things get complicated to balance.

I think a fair solution would be something like what they do with Mavado how he can detect different hit states.

If the opponent is in hitstun, hori copter costs half meter, of they're in blockstun it costs full meter

 

[Pan1cMode]

Fair. And Cyrax's egregious partners got toned down as well.

The thing is... everyone is viewing this whole thing a little to black and white. I feel like there is a solution that can allow it to be used for half a bar if certain criteria is met. If they criteria isn't met, Full Bar kameo ambush. NRS doesn't like to think past layer 2 because things get complicated to balance.

I mean, rain got buffed, not toned down, Sindel has received little change, and Tanya (who is actually stupid with cyrax - f2112 jails into chopper which then jails into f2112 for 10% chip that 90% of the cast has to flawless block or hold, + decent damage + safety) has not been toned down.

Johnny and Baraka have received nerfs though; that’s true.

 

[UghGetOuttaHere]

I mean, rain got buffed, not toned down, Sindel has received little change, and Tanya (who is actually stupid with cyrax - f2112 jails into chopper which then jails into f2112 for 10% chip that 90% of the cast has to flawless block or hold, + decent damage + safety) has not been toned down.

Johnny and Baraka have received nerfs though; that’s true.

Rain got pretty much nothing but buffs.. so he must have been under performing. Sindel and Tanya have more synergistic combos with Kung Lao & Goro respectively. The main 3 culprits I was referring to were Johnny, Raiden and Baraka.

Edit: oh and forgot to mention that Tanya can get a 10% chip scenario by herself with her teleport