Raiden General Discussion

[Mandolore1123]

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From my testing seems the Raiden/Sektor damage output is largely unaffected. The only combo that was really hit was midscreen 12~EX DF2, F34, BF3.
Otherwise our routes still do at least 300 damage a pop

 

[Black Chapters]

From my testing seems the Raiden/Sektor damage output is largely unaffected. The only combo that was really hit was midscreen 12~EX DF2, F34, BF3.
Otherwise our routes still do at least 300 damage a pop

all of Raiden's damage nerf was in shocker

so it mostly just hurt him and Jax

the longer you hold off shocker, the more the nerf doesn't matter

his air kombo nerf however was pointless and dumb

 

[Mandolore1123]

all of Raiden's damage nerf was in shocker

so it mostly just hurt him and Jax

the longer you hold off shocker, the more the nerf doesn't matter

his air kombo nerf however was pointless and dumb

Tbh I don’t think I’ve seen many routes involving his air strings (except Cyrax combos) so while I agree that it’s pointless it probably doesn’t affect us all that much

 

[Black Chapters]

Tbh I don’t think I’ve seen many routes involving his air strings (except Cyrax combos) so while I agree that it’s pointless it probably doesn’t affect us all that much

it does

it was an option

and more kameos are koming

and you certainly kould get kombos off it

 

[Mandolore1123]

it does

it was an option

and more kameos are koming

and you certainly kould get kombos off it

What routes are there?

 

[Black Chapters]

What routes are there?

it caused a ground bounce before, you could follow up with a few kameos or shocker

either way its gone now

 

[Szkarad]

After the nerf I find Raiden much less appealing. Not that I need my khar to be top tier. I mained Raiden back when he sucked in MK11. Just I feel the highest damage in the game was justified since Raidens buttons aren't that crazy good. You have a decent jabstring, a mid that's too slow for its range and a great low starter with the potential to whiff both the second hit and the shocker if you hit it from far enough range. So I focused on playing defensively, getting most my damage from my opponents getting too risky (the passive helped with that playstyle too so I assumed that is the "canon" way to play Raiden). IDK. Maybe that's just my first reaction and I'll get used to it.

 

[kabelfritz]

After the nerf I find Raiden much less appealing. Not that I need my khar to be top tier. I mained Raiden back when he sucked in MK11. Just I feel the highest damage in the game was justified since Raidens buttons aren't that crazy good. You have a decent jabstring, a mid that's too slow for its range and a great low starter with the potential to whiff both the second hit and the shocker if you hit it from far enough range. So I focused on playing defensively, getting most my damage from my opponents getting too risky (the passive helped with that playstyle too so I assumed that is the "canon" way to play Raiden). IDK. Maybe that's just my first reaction and I'll get used to it.

i find that if you play long enough against good people you will feel that raiden is still the same archetype as in mk11, zoning/counterzoning and then hard oki pressure.

 

[G82Boost]

 

[Black Chapters]

i find that if you play long enough against good people you will feel that raiden is still the same archetype as in mk11, zoning/counterzoning and then hard oki pressure.

I mean you can do that

but no way is he just that

not with Kameos and not with his kit

 

[GeoffBedlam]

Raiden is still a pain in the arse. pls nerf him harder lmao

 

[Radfield]

Tbh I don’t think I’ve seen many routes involving his air strings (except Cyrax combos) so while I agree that it’s pointless it probably doesn’t affect us all that much

it means no more grounded combos off of amp teleport. which fro two bars is insane they should have made it one bar.

 

[Radfield]

it caused a ground bounce before, you could follow up with a few kameos or shocker

either way its gone now

its plus 35 now which means you can get easy oki mid screen but in the corner kinda fucks up instant overhead low guess it gave when it was plus 19 and both players recovered super fast. basically you had to instantly guess out of the combo.

 

[Mandolore1123]

it means no more grounded combos off of amp teleport. which fro two bars is insane they should have made it one bar.

What grounded combos are you doing with an air string?
And tbh what routes favour using EX TP at all?

 

[Mandolore1123]

Mortal Kombat 1 Raiden/Sektor: Combo from Back Throw in the corner

You might be able to get something midscreen too but they might not get launched close enough.

 

[Mandolore1123]

At the same time I hope NRS comes up with ways to make stuff like DB2 and EX TP actually useful. Right now those moves might as well not exist

 

[Black Chapters]

Mortal Kombat 1 Raiden/Sektor: Combo from Back Throw in the corner

You might be able to get something midscreen too but they might not get launched close enough.

you can

 

[CipherJ]

At the same time I hope NRS comes up with ways to make stuff like DB2 and EX TP actually useful. Right now those moves might as well not exist

I actually think DB2 exists to prevent Raiden oki of crouch feint into b2, which would cause db2 which is an easy punish.

 

[Marinjuana]

At the same time I hope NRS comes up with ways to make stuff like DB2 and EX TP actually useful. Right now those moves might as well not exist

Besides being much faster as a normal teleport, EX teleport hits low up close, launches into an air combo and is safe at -5

 

[Mandolore1123]

Besides being much faster as a normal teleport, EX teleport hits low up close, launches into an air combo and is safe at -5

It‘s so expensive though… :/

 

[Black Chapters]

nah, ex tele is trash

costing 2 bars makes no sense

 

[Black Chapters]

 

[ShaolinGunFu]

Raiden needs less safety, he gets away with so much. Played a raiden sektor and he was able to blockstring me for days, armor works poorly against alot of it.

 

[TrasHxBoaT]

What can you actually get after stormcell into goro kameo? With kano ball I can jail into 212 but a lot of the time with Goro people will just poke out of it. Don't know if I'm just miss timing it or it's not that plus.
I would prefer to use Goro since I like comboing off storm cell hits but I really want to be able to also continue pressure after it gets blocked aswell

 

[Fractured_Shadow]

What can you actually get after stormcell into goro kameo? With kano ball I can jail into 212 but a lot of the time with Goro people will just poke out of it. Don't know if I'm just miss timing it or it's not that plus.
I would prefer to use Goro since I like comboing off storm cell hits but I really want to be able to also continue pressure after it gets blocked aswell

You're miss timing it. Goro is hella plus. The key is to call him in on the very last hit of storm cell. Most likely you are calling it in too early.