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Female designs and lack of variety

Cicada 5

Mortal
I agree with this in literal terms, but I doubt Kung Lao has a power rack in his peasent village, nor the nutrition to get so big. Same goes for the Lin Kuei living in the frozen China mountains. Ironically, Cage is the only one who probably has a weight room in his home, but is smaller than the other men. The reality is NRS knows nobody wants to see these characters not looking big and strong, and good on them, rightfully so.
I wouldn't call Kung Lao or the Lin Kuei guys big. At least not in this game.
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
I wouldn't call Kung Lao or the Lin Kuei guys big. At least not in this game.
No way their arms are huge and that’s all you can really see in their outfit. At least the lin kuei. They look like they have 18 inch arms. That just shows how skewed male body standards actually are. Not a you problem, but in general people have no idea what an impressive non roided body is. These guys are jacked. Idk who is big if they aren’t.
 
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Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
Guys guys the workaround is simple get crazy whore costumes for women , but also add them for men , flesh pits bo rai cho would be fierce
That would make me a Bo Rai Cho fan.

Ya know I was gonna mention Bo in my post about how the men have more diversity in body types, but the only fatty being a sloppy drunk who vomits, farts, and burps all over the place didn’t make the point I wanted it to lol
 

Marlow

Champion

NRS should take some notes tbh. Character design, gameplay and especially animations. It's 10x better than anything in MK11 and MK1.
I think it's a bit of apples to oranges comparison though. Street Fighter graphic design is much more comic style and cartoonish, which gives a lot more leeway for abstract and unrealistic design choices. I certainly like the art direction of Street Fighter, but MK goes for a different art style, and I think trying the same kind of character design and animations in NRS as in Street Fighter would look too weird.


I do think though that NRS should look to add new female characters, and when adding new female characters it would be an opportunity for more diversity and creativity.
 

STB Sgt Reed

Online Warrior
How is this an Empress exactly? Empress with this plain bodysuit!? She needed something regal, something fitting for the Empress! What is this exactly? Also what is going on with her tiny arms? Where are her guns? She had them in MK11. Why are all the females having same, tiny body type but big heads that don't fit the rest of the proportions??
Nooooooooo why did you point this out?? Now I can't unsee that they removed her arm muscles. I hate it here
 

STB Sgt Reed

Online Warrior
ITT: individuals who want horny designs but keep dodging around it. Just admit it already lmao like @ghostwriteous
Nothing wrong with "horny" aka sexy designs. You can literally have both. Again, See SF6. Default Cammy, not "horny" design. Classic Cammy, "horny" design.

It's not that complicated. But apparently for NRS it is. Even in their classic MK2 outfits, they couldn't allow the actual classic look. They had to give them diaper butts so no cheek shows lmfao
 

Mikemetroid

Who hired this guy, WTF?
Lead Moderator
Nothing wrong with "horny" aka sexy designs. You can literally have both. Again, See SF6. Default Cammy, not "horny" design. Classic Cammy, "horny" design.

It's not that complicated. But apparently for NRS it is. Even in their classic MK2 outfits, they couldn't allow the actual classic look. They had to give them diaper butts so no cheek shows lmfao
No, there isn't anything wrong about horny designs. My point is that the angle y'all take with this is what's wrong with this thread and the culture around this discussion in the MK fandom. Y'all want horny, you dont want "variety". Stop beating around the bush and admit for you, a woman character is only different to you when she's naked/sexy and not wearing different armor.
 

STB Sgt Reed

Online Warrior
No, there isn't anything wrong about horny designs. My point is that the angle y'all take with this is what's wrong with this thread and the culture around this discussion in the MK fandom. Y'all want horny, you dont want "variety". Stop beating around the bush and admit for you, a woman character is only different to you when she's naked/sexy and not wearing different armor.
Except your point is wrong. We can want sexy designs AND variety in body types. Again, why not both and a variety in both? Something for everyone. But I forget that the other side of the argument only thinks that anyone who wants a less conservative outfit style or more muscles/curves on a body must be wanting porn or to jerk off while playing. It's the literal dumbest shit I've ever read.

I, for one, would love a marisa style female character in MK. Someone that can rival Shao Kahn. But that's not allowed cause all the girls have to have the same body frame cause "reasons". And yes, I would also like a character like Mileena to show more skin in her outfits rather than the same type covered up body suit that every female character has to have on also for "reasons".

And for the love of all that is good, only use heels for skins that make sense!!! Why does, Li Mei, a cop, have heels on instead of some form of combat boots?? Or the tanya brazil skin, why in the hell does that need some weird sneaker/heel hybrid??
 

BumbleBee

Power of Toasty
I think it's a bit of apples to oranges comparison though. Street Fighter graphic design is much more comic style and cartoonish, which gives a lot more leeway for abstract and unrealistic design choices. I certainly like the art direction of Street Fighter, but MK goes for a different art style, and I think trying the same kind of character design and animations in NRS as in Street Fighter would look too weird.
That won't fly in SF6's case, though, because it's another Capcom game, that got RE Engine injected into its core. Sure, they're not mocaping things still (and that's why people see their animations as more appealing and less "stiff"), but it's a first for a SF game to look as realistic as it does. Also, the most "cartoon" Street Fighter ever was was SFA (all three).
 

SixPathsOfHate

Make triple skulls input BDF or DF Hold F
Welp, time for unsolicited opinions!

  • Tanya looks fine. Maybe shave back her cheek bones a tinge bit. She is in the same boat as Li Mei being an army girl n all. If they must, increase her bust size to appease the masses.
  • I like Sindel's headpiece and it goes well with her "Crazy Hair". Speaking of it, I wish it was her default hair. I love how wild it looks.
  • Mileena looks a lot better than Kitana facewise. Kitana's cheekbones are way too pronounced
  • Mileena could show a bit more cleavage if they wanted to keep her sex appeal as part of her character. Maybe add a slit in the suit right above the butt that flares out around, wrapping around her waist and ending off right under her ribs.
  • Kitana can just go back to MK11 look with the loincloth from MK9. Her MK11 look was her best look.
  • Why are most of the female characters in this game in jump suits? There are only 2 cases where it could make sense. I get that most of them are from the same area but I would have liked a bit more variety outside color swaps and different belt placements. Maybe they were going with a OG Ninja vibe with same outfits, different colors but I highly doubt it.
  • Sindel doesnt look royal enough. Granted she has NEVER looked royal to me with the closest being MK9 and some MK11 skins. When I think Royal I think meaningless excess. Where are my dresses/long skirts? Think Battle Queen Katarina from LOL. Something with armor but our current social view on what Feminine is.
  • Li Mei's design is fine. She's an army girl and looks the part. She is Outward Sonya. I saw some of the concepts and would have loved a different hair style but army's gonna army.
  • Ashrah is the best designed female character in this game so far and it isnt even a contest. Her outfit screams personality and eats every other character design to date.
 

Gooberking

FGC Cannon Fodder
Such is the way of the concept art, always looking MILES better than what we get. lmfao I hate it here. IDK who chooses the final product but they need to be fired. Everything in Cassie's MK11 concept art is better than every shitty outfit they gave her in MK11.

What we got doesn't seem too off from 1, though the feel is very different. I think there is something magical in concept illustrations that just doesn't always translate to a refined product and especially in the 3D, in game engine leap.

That said, It's always a little confusing what gets tossed out, I don't know what was up with the high collar variations, and for some reason every out fit they gave Cassie in 11 sat on her weird. She looked bad in everything. She was a personal top 2 favorite characters of all time for me in X, but 11 was so different and awkward I never even looked twice at her in 11
 

Gooberking

FGC Cannon Fodder
A hot take but maybe it's also all y'all fault? A mess of cats were out there jumping around like animals with Jacqui, but all rocking the dumbest, must basic robo costume of all time that made here look like Dr. Robotnik's bodyguard when they could have been using her alt
 

colby4898

Special Forces Sonya Up-player
The female characters always seem meh to me unfortunately the really cool designs are left for the men.

Even in MKX Kombat Kids the daughters were both bland special forces where Kung Jin got a cool bow/staff/disc, Takeda got the whips, lightsabers, teleport, kunai... Jacqui and Cassie got ... guns.

A female Takeda, Noob, Smoke, Reptile etc would be so cool but we get guns and princesses with a pole, fan and sai etc and not a lot else interesting
 

Vslayer

Juiced Moose On The Loose
Lead Moderator
What we got doesn't seem too off from 1, though the feel is very different. I think there is something magical in concept illustrations that just doesn't always translate to a refined product and especially in the 3D, in game engine leap.

That said, It's always a little confusing what gets tossed out, I don't know what was up with the high collar variations, and for some reason every out fit they gave Cassie in 11 sat on her weird. She looked bad in everything. She was a personal top 2 favorite characters of all time for me in X, but 11 was so different and awkward I never even looked twice at her in 11
yeah I mean #1 is almost the default, but 2-5 slap.
 

Felipe_Gewehr

Twinktile
I also remember seeing how good the non-revenant Jade skins looked in concept art for MK11, while the actual skins are weird and with strange proportions, almost like a cheap cosplay of the concept art... Good thing the revenant skins were absolutely awesome, though.
 

STB Sgt Reed

Online Warrior
Such is the way of the concept art, always looking MILES better than what we get. lmfao I hate it here. IDK who chooses the final product but they need to be fired. Everything in Cassie's MK11 concept art is better than every shitty outfit they gave her in MK11.

Well number 1 is what we got in game.

But man I would have loved numbers 2-4
 

Zgf

Noob
SF6 and Tekken embrace women actually showing skin, being sexy, having a bit of fan service and having different body archetypes despite being Rated T games. But then you look at MK11 and MK1 and just scratch your head at the outfits and concept designs they give the women in this game and wonder, "Why?"

It's a Rated M game with over the top gore, fatalities and male fantasy designed characters but all the women in the game look like they shop at your local Target. No muscle mass, no diversity in body and outfit designs, just nothing lol. They're literally skinny, flat booty, iron back warriors. Can we get some diversity? Some with a bit more sexual appeal, some tall and muscular, some with something that just makes them stand out amongst the rest of the cast? Please? Literally covered head to toe in non-memorable designs and it just makes absolutely no sense to me.

Like, someone explain this to me because I genuinely don't understand. Why is NRS afraid of a bit of fan service when the other AAA fighting games embrace it, have actual fun with it and don't see similar complaints? Because, imo, these outfits remind me of MK11 and the base designs in MK11 were extremely drab, lacking and extremely forgettable. I really hope that isn't the case for this game.
 
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xenogorgeous

.... they mostly come at night. Mostly.
SF6 and Tekken embrace women actually showing skin, being sexy, having a bit of fan service and having different body archetypes despite being Rated T games. But then you look at MK11 and MK1 and just scratch your head at the outfits and concept designs they give the women in this game and wonder, "Why?"

It's a Rated M game with over the top gore, fatalities and male fantasy designed characters but all the women in the game look like they shop at your local target. No muscle mass, no diversity in body and outfit designs, just nothing lol. Literally covered head to toe in non-memorable designs and it just makes absolutely no sense to me.

Like, someone explain this to me because I genuinely don't understand. Why is NRS afraid of a bit of fan service when the other AAA fighting games embrace it, have actual fun with it and don't see similar complaints? Because, imo, these outfits remind me of MK11 and those base designs in MK11 were extremely drab and lacking.
Because SF6 and Tekken8 are both made , by Japanese companies, that, kinda do not give a fuck for this woke wave and this shithole of social hypocrisy and fake moralism preaching brainwash politics discuss that USA, Europe and all Ocident are manufacturing and selling as the new way of life , so .....

They know that sex appeal is part of human nature, and that , if well done, and put together with good gameplay, good aesthetics, and good moveset mechanics, will not be the main factor that cause polemic for "normal" people .....

but , for the american snowflakes or the woke mafia from Twitter, of course they will see that as a huge offense for their dictatory demands , so, NRS, being an American game developer company working for the super ultra greedy capitalist monster called Warner Bros, just bend over and suck major dicks in order to please for these people that they believe is their main target goal audience that will ensure high sales numbers for MK1, lol ! :rolleyes:

Life is unfair , deal with and live through that, so, let's goooooooo !!!!!! :p