You guys are always confusing death rate and total deaths. Total deaths are not what matters, as they will be completely different at different points during an epidemic. You’re literally comparing the start of one epidemic to the end/final total of another.
What matters in this case is the death rate per person infected, which means that far more people will die from less people being infected with the virus. That is why Coronavirus is such a huge issue and why it has to be dealt with using completely different measures.
Sounds like you misunderstood me....I'm Not confusing either lol I posted the link dude to post my point what I was referring to. I'm aware of there being MORE cases and less deaths, people will get sick no matter what especially from something that's WAY more contagious than Swine Flu, which CV is mind you. No I'm not, I'm just comparing how the MSM reacted to both where no matter how Obama handled it he was never questioned like they do Trump in this case, but fail to address the fact that while both are bad, CV is clearly worse in terms of how it spreads...and still higher death rates is higher death rates, the fact that H1N1 was thankfully contained and such is good but keep in mind that's also again very different than CV...so no matter who's in charge, this will take more time. So I agree with your last statement.
I hate Trump but even I agree he gets rip too much sometimes. Granted he did downplay Covid-19 at first and changed his tone quickly as things got worse. I didn't say it was his team shilling for china but members of the CDC and some science writers for major western outlets were shilling them. I know this because my mom found a video from a British outlet exposing China for what they are doing. I'm kind of shocked since my mother is an avid CNN watcher but found something they haven't brought up. I'll post it if I can find it. It was pretty scary.
Also the media was pushing Trump to get tested due who has interacted with in the past weeks. They were lowkey caring about him for once. I don't see anything wrong with that and him saying, "Oh the White Hosue doctor says I don't need to take the test." I think the media was right to pressure him since we have two confirmed world leaders who got Covid-19.(Canadian PM and Brazilian PM.). So their concern was fair. No one pressure Obama to get tested for Swine flu because that wasn't a thing and it is just a slightly buff version of the flu. This is very different from Covid-19 which can survive the surface for a long time on metal and plastic and can sit in your body for two weeks with you being fine. So little apples and oranges. While yes Obama msot of liberal media played soft with him, the right wing media would make big deals out of things you're bring up with the liberal media and Trump. So let's call it even on that regard.
Also let me make myself clear on what I brought up. It's this->
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-germany-covid-19-vaccine-not-for-sale-donald-trump-2020-3 While yeah development and trials have been going on here in America there are other palces making vaccines. But Trump did buy this despite not being fully tested and have exclusive rights over it. For someone with "good doctors and cdc members" this seems extremely idiotic to try and attempt. I'm just stating a fact of the situation. Glad we got one here but let's make sure we fucking test it first before we go, "Nope this is mine fam." I didn't say he was relying on other countries for a cure. I never said that. I'm sorry if I unclear here.
I think he needs to limit travel in the USA since they're already telling us to stay inside. It makes sense to me. China did it. Yeah that one of the few smart things China did. The international travel ban should have came earlier and not now since it is like, "Who is going to go there now after everything they have heard?" So Trump has been slow on the bans. To flatten the curve you need to do things like that. I know it sucks if something happens but it will help in the long run since our eggheads are saying we may not have a vaccine until mid 2021. You have a better chance to get it in America than heading out of the country.
You're fun to talk by the way. I don't mind Trump supporters if they can be sound and reasonable. I have dealt with my fair share who are nutty.
I know, I'm just saying the CDC like most doctors have even contradicted or disagreed with each other from the many interviews I've watched with CDC and former CDC members/doctors etc I'm sure you're right, it's why and I agree with you earlier I think we should distance ourselves from China tbh I'm sure other parts of the world will too after this.
Yeah I mean everyone politician gets ripped here and there but it's pretty obvious Trump seems to get it the worst, I mean I get the MSM don't like conservatives, republicans etc with Fox and maybe a few smaller outlets being an exception the rest hate him. I mean I felt that way about Obama tbh with alot of his policies. I think Trump at first didn't want to cause a panic, I mean he's taking it way more seriously now which is good. But I think no matter how he would have reacted, people are people and would have still ran to buy 10 packs of TP lol. Like, it's the freaking end of the world but that's another story...
I am not so sure about the caring about trump part lol, maybe some said it in a "may not be a bad idea" but others clearly suggested it in jest, snarky kind of way like "oh he's around all these people, why don't HE get tested?" kind of tone you know? But either way he did it already days ago and tested negative thankfully. I wouldn't want any President to get it.
I agree that sometimes the republicans(some) would give Obama trouble with anything much like all democrats or most of them at least give Trump shit for breathing, while others worked with him or were afraid of him(Romney, McCain etc) but I do think things like releasing terrorists, drug cartels and giving Iran(a country who has funded terrorists who kill us and others) a billion bucks was not too bright but I digress...
I don't know if I'd call it idiotic at this point since let's face it, those docs who created it and gave it to Trump regardless if bought or not wouldn't have done so if they didn't feel it wasn't safe enough to test plus we have no choice, if we don't test these vaccines we won't know if they work or not. I mean if it came from China that would be idiotic if you ask me since we clearly can't trust them anymore(who can tbh?) But still he's trying his best and imo has a hell of a CDC team that seems pretty respected. Oh I know I'm just saying that with other countries our allies like Israel, UK etc are working on vaccs as well so naturally if someone else we're on good terms with and can trust in dire situations come up with something better than us first, of course it's good to communicate and get it here for testing as well and vice versa.
Yeah well that's why he ordered the travel ban like a week ago, his team recommended it with the flatten the hill method and it should work hopefully. He immediately banned travel from China weeks ago and other parts of the world but this self quarantine he's asking Americans to do is only a 2 week thing, a test as well to see if it helps which it should, so even if he did that now only to be reopen in 2 weeks with domestic bans? But I think there has to be exceptions made for like I said in my prior example for family emergencies. If someone's loved one dies close they aren't going to want to wait months to bury them and shouldn't, I get no planes but allow them to travel via car or train. That and of course we have to move from state to state regarding the vaccs. Well that's an estimate, nobody really knows when we'll get a solid vacc that will work. Trials take time unfortunately with these things. First they said 6 months to a year, now 17 months...who knows I'd like to believe that within the next year we'll have something...though keep in mind most DO survive this by % in USA at least, and we are using great anti inflammatory drugs and antibiotics that do help compared to other countries less fortunate. Most younger people recover on their own. The elderly, people with bad health issues are of course most at risk as with anything really. My aunt has had cancer, beat it, bad heart issues, water in her lungs, weight lose issues etc and she's in her late 70's she has to be careful of even a cold so people like her would be at high risk. She's out in LI NY so they send medicines and people to the house instead of making her go out for obvious reasons.
Oh yeah thanks for sure lol, yeah I welcome various opinions and I think we all have different views. I hear ya I've had my share of crazy, hateful Trump haters or Bernie, Obama or AOC supporters as well and "friends" in the past a few not many, most are cool regardless of views. But had a few block me or remove me from being their friend just because I disagreed with their politics or religion
shrugs some people are just not worth it and intolerant of anything different from their own views. It should be interesting later this year with the debates and Bernie vs Joe and either one vs Trump, I'm sure it'll get dirty but entertaining as well.
But sure you're the kind of guy seems easy to talk to and able to agree to disagree. I agree I don't agree with those extreme people from either side that harm or threaten others for difference in view or because of what hat someone wears. Like what? What's wrong with people.
You heard of that movie The Hunt? It did bad at the box office lol but also during all this so they closed movies down, but I'm sure you've read about it. IMO movies like that don't help the case with people being able to respect each others views even if different from their own.
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