He lacks nothing. You are downplaying him, because you are praying to god every night he doesnt get nerfed. But im 100% sure they will nerf him to the ground once the patch comes out.Whos downplaying kang? I don't think anyone here was downplaying. Seems to me you consider it downplaying to say anything less than Liu is broke and needs nerfed to the ground. I remember you called me and kindred down players for stating liu is top 5 but he lacks range, good at everything mostly but not broke?
If so your definition of downplaying isn't the same as everyone else's.
Don't know if you know this but there is only 1 liu kang main in top 16 the other two used other characters and pocketed liu and looking under top 16 more than 30 liu Kangs got eliminated.
Aren't you a sweatheart?I've said it before and I'll say it again: fuck Liu Kang. I'd hate the guy even if he was the worst character in the game. The motherfucker doesn't shut up. I hope he gets so nerfed that i do not have to see him ever again
I'm downplaying saying he is S tier? You are delusional and quite possibly challenged. I pointed all it out in my last post. There was 3 liu Kangs, 3 geras's and 3 Sonyas in top 16. But 2 if those Kangs where pockets. They didn't use kang to ride to the top. It was pure skill that got them there placements. This was the hypest top 16 in the pro Kompetition so far and there is wide character diversity having 13 different characters in top 16. It doesn't get any more diverse than that.He lacks nothing. You are downplaying him, because you are praying to god every night he doesnt get nerfed. But im 100% sure they will nerf him to the ground once the patch comes out.
And nqh he is not top 5. He stand alone as the only Broken character in the game.
And this is the 2932372737 post from you trying to downplay him.
And there was 3 Liu Kang player in top 16.
Also the last 2 major was won by 2 different Liu Kang players. Add the Na West Cup, and here it goes 3 straight tournament wins for Liu Kang players.
Which speaks for itself.
And Ninjakilla didnt participate in 2 of this tournaments. And Rewind was send to losers from other Liu Kang player - Ninjakilla.
Try harder next time.
A good MKX Liu Kang that goes unga unga on the opponent was one of my worst nightmares.Am I the only one that thinks MKX Liu was a bigger threat than MK11 Liu? B12 stuffed almost every armored move in the game and it was fast as fuck. Dragon fire cancels into amazing chip pressure. EX flame hands that set up weird gaps and mind games for more safe pressure.
What does he have in MK11? A low fireball and a good stagger string? I generally hate to say it, but I think you guys are just gonna have to get good on this one, or maybe learn to code.
In what universe is Liu "best in zoning" when Cetrion, Zoneya, Cassie, Kabal, Shang, and Skarlet exist? I'd even argue ED Jade is a better zoner. You're gunna have to explain that one to me cause I just do not see it. Fireball is great due to its speed, but it's a typical high projectile with typical follow-up projectiles on enhancement. It also does typical damage. Low fireball is a pretty slow ass startup + recovery, and is honestly more important as a pressure tool than an actual zoning tool because it leaves Liu so vulnerable on whiff. Air fireball is a nice option but not anything egregious as it's a straight projectile with a relatively small hitbox so air->ground zoning with it isn't very efficient.F4 needs to be 13+ frames. Take away his amplify on both low and high Fireball.
Pressure character doesnt need to have all the tools in the game and to be best in pressure and best in zoning. Take something away from his Flying Dragon Kick.
He also not need KBs on throws.
His FB needs to be balanced as well.
And give him something, so he is proper balanced.
I say just make his F4 -10 on block keep F43 -7 and turn F4 from 9f to 10/11 frame startup.Make F4 11f startup (or even just 10f).
Fix hitbox issues that really should not still be present this far into the game's life.
Make is + on block punch string 0 on block.
Done. A gentle touch on 3 egregious things that will shave off a notable amount of power without doing anything drastic. He isn't some elder god tier MK9 Cyrax/Kabal levels of bullshit that everyone is crying like he is. If NRS decides to hit him with nerfs that are anything more than gentle, it'll likely result in his kneecaps being blown out with a shotgun and then we'll just repeat the cycle with a new character.
I pray NRS doesn't cave into all the pressure / whining that's being thrown around about The Champ. I'm gunna feel so bad for Liu players if NRS decides to drop him to release D'Vorah/Frost/Kotal tier. They've done a good job not neutering top characters so far so here's to hoping.
Not at all. At least in MKX everybody had options except maybe Ferra TorAm I the only one that thinks MKX Liu was a bigger threat than MK11 Liu? B12 stuffed almost every armored move in the game and it was fast as fuck. Dragon fire cancels into amazing chip pressure. EX flame hands that set up weird gaps and mind games for more safe pressure.
What does he have in MK11? A low fireball and a good stagger string? I generally hate to say it, but I think you guys are just gonna have to get good on this one, or maybe learn to code.
Completely agree, MKX Liu was broke AF, MK11 liu not so much just very strong in this meta and has safe options for everything but footsie.Am I the only one that thinks MKX Liu was a bigger threat than MK11 Liu? B12 stuffed almost every armored move in the game and it was fast as fuck. Dragon fire cancels into amazing chip pressure. EX flame hands that set up weird gaps and mind games for more safe pressure.
What does he have in MK11? A low fireball and a good stagger string? I generally hate to say it, but I think you guys are just gonna have to get good on this one, or maybe learn to code.
I always said for a mixed character. Because Cetrion, Shang and Skarlet are pure zoners.In what universe is Liu "best in zoning" when Cetrion, Zoneya, Cassie, Kabal, Shang, and Skarlet exist? I'd even argue ED Jade is a better zoner. You're gunna have to explain that one to me cause I just do not see it. Fireball is great due to its speed, but it's a typical high projectile with typical follow-up projectiles on enhancement. It also does typical damage. Low fireball is a pretty slow ass startup + recovery, and is honestly more important as a pressure tool than an actual zoning tool because it leaves Liu so vulnerable on whiff. Air fireball is a nice option but not anything egregious as it's a straight projectile with a relatively small hitbox so air->ground zoning with it isn't very efficient.
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*Shao KahnYou do that enough and eventually Kotal Kahn becomes top tier
so this is a good thing to do
Remember I destroyed you with A list in MKX?*Shao Kahn
On block +13?F4 needs to be 13+ frames