A Quick Reminder About 3rd Variations by Ed Boon

[cavemold]

I mean I don't see how well this can turn out. Current tournament variations already have the most important moves, and I assume that the 3rd variation will consist of different moves entirely so I don't see how good that can be.

Depends on the charcter and varation if lui kang has dragon spirt and lower fire ball and dragon parry he would god like

 

[MadPropz101]

Depends on the charcter and varation if lui kang has dragon spirt and lower fire ball and dragon parry he would god like

But he already has low fireball in ine variation, they won't let him have the same move in the 3rd one.

 

[grandabx]

The bulk of the buyers of the game are casuals, so there's a good chance they're playing exactly what they were told.

But their esports scene will shrivel up because casual ARE playing with customs.

Why would a casual want to watch boring @ss tournament play, where player expression is handcuffed?

They've effectively separated their customers into two groups.

 

[Sanjo]

But their esports scene will shrivel up because casual ARE playing with customs.

Why would a casual want to watch boring @ss tournament play, where player expression is handcuffed?

They've effectively separated their customers into two groups.

To witness true skill ?

 

[grandabx]

To witness true skill ?

1. MK11 had the worst viewer numbers out of all the main Evo games. Casuals (the biggest mk percentage group) doesn't want to watch handcuffed kombat with flash card combo system. Samurai Shodown had more evo reps, more crossover and more viewers with a top 8 filled with Genjuro.

2. Player crossover started off great, but has regressed since everything they advertised ended up being a lie. Where are the rest of the ninjas? Joker was more important i guess.

3. Most Characters currently after the patch still have useless variations, broken hitboxes, useless krushing blows, etc.

4. No matter how many variations are added, it still won't allow every player to play how they want. Something WILL be missing in a variation chosen.

5. A game that was said to be redesigned to be about the neutral game, but has these dumb mechanics like Fatal Blow, krushing blows on grabs and chip-kill with teched grabs, normal attacks and DOT is the total opposite of skill/real neutral.

Mk11 is masquerading as a legit fighting game currently.

 

[SwiftEagle]

I always find it funny when people say “I’m not interested” or “no thanks” as if NRS is making the game SPECIFICALLY for them lol. You’re still gonna play it so be quiet.

Plus 3rd variations have been talked about since the beginning. I’m glad it’s finally coming. It’s gonna change the game for sure. Imagine Kitana with upwards fan or low fan and Edenian Twist.

you're still gonna live in America regardless of its appointed leaders, so you shouldn't express your opinion

Great outlook. Imagine Kitana with actual normals that work. Less fix the game at its core first.

 

[Slymind]

I think people are just voicing their concern that Nrs hasn't manage to balance 2 working variations for 90% of the cast in like 4 months.

90%? Because since the last patch, the majority of characters can work with both variations, the patch was exactly for that and brought a lot of variations into light.

Anyway, some people will just complain regardless of what they do.

 

[spidey300]

I can't believe ppl are complaining about this, this is fucking good news, cheer the fuck up. Why wouldn't you wanna have a fightinggame with more specials available?

damn did you really just do that? where nrs have been cut and pasting specials, fighting games have been doing just fine loading their characters with specials. don't spoonfeed anymore bullshit like that

 

[spidey300]

The variation system is the biggest hurdle this game set upon itself, and the lack of communication about it until release didn't do it any favors

between their employees setting nrs on fire and trying to make a game; they probably just didn't know what to do. watching them fiddle around with custom characters on kombat kasts was just the worst.

Most characters have a useless variation and they wanna add a third? Lmao god this game is so mismanaged it’s like they literally don’t care what any of the people want because NRS can’t be this stupid

they already claimed the title of best selling fighting game again. they don't even need to do anything else

 

[grandabx]

If they really want people to stop talking about customs, then what they can easily do is centralize characters by giving each character 8 specials moves with no more of this variation BS and call it a fucking day.

On top of that, announce it soon. Don't fiddle around.

 

[NaughtySenpai]

A lot of these "special" moves don't feel really that special. Scorpion's neutral jump launcher and all those projectiles, air throws and attack parries come to mind, that could just be baseline instead of taking up an ability slot.

 

[NeonGroovyGator]

1. MK11 had the worst viewer numbers out of all the main Evo games. Casuals (the biggest mk percentage group) doesn't want to watch handcuffed kombat with flash card combo system. Samurai Shodown had more evo reps, more crossover and more viewers with a top 8 filled with Genjuro.

2. Player crossover started off great, but has regressed since everything they advertised ended up being a lie. Where are the rest of the ninjas? Joker was more important i guess.

3. Most Characters currently after the patch still have useless variations, broken hitboxes, useless krushing blows, etc.

4. No matter how many variations are added, it still won't allow every player to play how they want. Something WILL be missing in a variation chosen.

5. A game that was said to be redesigned to be about the neutral game, but has these dumb mechanics like Fatal Blow, krushing blows on grabs and chip-kill with teched grabs, normal attacks and DOT is the total opposite of skill/real neutral.

Mk11 is masquerading as a legit fighting game currently.

IMO you can only talk about viewership if you compare it to previous NRS titles not the other main games. It's a pointless comparison without knowing how many people watched all the previous titles.
Also pointless to talk about tournament participants without comparing it to previous NRS titles, especially considering no title from them has ever had as many entrants as MK11 had on EVO.

 

[grandabx]

IMO you can only talk about viewership if you compare it to previous NRS titles not the other main games. It's a pointless comparison without knowing how many people watched all the previous titles.
Also pointless to talk about tournament participants without comparing it to previous NRS titles, especially considering no title from them has ever had as many entrants as MK11 had on EVO.

The FGC is growing = more people.
MK11 is the best-selling game of the year currently.
Evo entrant numbers for MK11 were their all-time best.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

This game won't have a tournament scene in the near future.

They spent all of those months telling people they'll be able to play how THEY want, but didn't tell them it would be only be for casual play. Now all anyone can do is play "how" the COMPANY wants them to play. It's blatant false advertisement. No excuses.

They can't even get two company-choice variations working even AFTER that balance patch. Months after release.

MK11 = stagnation nation

Injustice 2 participation numbers coming right up! Brought to you by scared casuals and short attention spans!

Ed said at the start that custom variations may or may not be for tournament play. And that he was in favor of presets, but they hadn’t decided completely yet.

Doesn’t mean you have to like it (that’s ok) but they definitely said it.

But easy with the death talk. We just had a more than 1500-player tournament. This game will continue to live as long as we don’t try to kill it ourselves.

 

[NeonGroovyGator]

The FGC is growing = more people.
MK11 is the best-selling game of the year currently.
Evo entrant numbers for MK11 were their all-time best.

I'm too lazy to check but were NRS titles ever even comparable to other major fighters in previous EVOs?
Our community is almost totally western. On big international events I can't see MK competing with other games.
EDIT: I just looked and even when you take into account how much the EVO numbers increased in total, MK11 still kept up with MKX's first year. Literally the only way to know if this game is gonna last or not is by waiting and seeing, so stop doomsaying.

 

[theotherguy]

But their esports scene will shrivel up because casual ARE playing with customs.

They've effectively separated their customers into two groups.

I don't know how much overlap there is between e-sports players and casuals that just want to see a fatality.

MK11 is the best selling fighting game of 2019* to date, and i'd say probably will end up the best selling MK title ever as well. Yet the EVO numbers can't reach SFV - a 3year old game now - which was panned since it's release, and even to this day there's players that don't like the style of the game much. Yet it still had the 2nd highest number of entrants.

Based on that and the fact that it's released on ALL systems and can't reach SFV, i don't think something like custom variations is going to be what magically makes this game top tier tournament worthy.

*EDIT: Apparently best selling game of the year so far!

 

[Error404]

That would be nice . But please , do fix the dead moves in the current variations.

 

[Error404]

And for gods sake , like half the selectable moves should just straight up be in the base moves of characters. Kotal not having any ex on pizza toss and sunlight being 2 different moves is just embarrassing.

 

[DarkSado]

This game won't have a tournament scene in the near future.

They spent all of those months telling people they'll be able to play how THEY want, but didn't tell them it would be only be for casual play. Now all anyone can do is play "how" the COMPANY wants them to play. It's blatant false advertisement. No excuses.

They can't even get two company-choice variations working even AFTER that balance patch. Months after release.

MK11 = stagnation nation

Injustice 2 participation numbers coming right up! Brought to you by scared casuals and short attention spans!

It’s not false advertising you can still play custom on casual. They never say custom was going to be on rank so stop.

 

[Matix218]

That is great news that they did not forget about it

 

[JSF]

Seconded.


I blame WB, not NRS. Look at all the triple-A games that have gone wrong in the last few years because the big money didn't give a shit about the people actually developing the game.
It's a shame they can't go the way of Destiny 2 and strike out on their own. I imagine things would be a lot less rushed and sloppy and mismanaged and incomplete if it were just Boon and Co. handling all of this.

This statement applies to any previous or future complaints or ravings I make.

WB isn’t deciding what moves go in what variation, and didn’t design the broken ass day 1 characters. I blame WB for the lack of communication, the DLC and that sort of thing but the gameplay things are due to NRS being careless or incompetent. I’ve played every NRS game and never been so disappointed and dropped a game this fast

 

[Bucketfeet]

How about just 1 variation but with all the moves?

 

[ABACABB]

Omg stop bitching and be happy they will do something to make this game feel fresh again . They could just release rest of dlcs + one or two balance patches with only changes to frame data and dmg and be done with it .

 

[grandabx]

I don't know how much overlap there is between e-sports players and casuals that just want to see a fatality.

MK11 is the best selling fighting game of 2019* to date, and i'd say probably will end up the best selling MK title ever as well. Yet the EVO numbers can't reach SFV - a 3year old game now - which was panned since it's release, and even to this day there's players that don't like the style of the game much. Yet it still had the 2nd highest number of entrants.

Based on that and the fact that it's released on ALL systems and can't reach SFV, i don't think something like custom variations is going to be what magically makes this game top tier tournament worthy.

*EDIT: Apparently best selling game of the year so far!

Samurai Shodown is only on the PS4 and Xbox and it outdid this game at Evo from every angle. It barely beat UNIst in sign-ups.

Not only that, the game is releasing a new character every single month this year (characters people wanted from a poll). They put out a patch that handled the vast majority of problems the game had and the game came out at the end of June.

MK11's player retention isn't looking good.

This game's success is front-heavy and doesn't seem equipped for a marathon.

 

[Deleted member 35141]

Meh alot of characters have some broken ass moves for customs
Whats johnnys 3rd varition gonna be high low forceballs and rising shoulder lol, just sounds like more fixes they have to make for the 3rd to even matter
Guess ill just play spawn oh fuck forgot