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Our Dysfunctional Family (The NRS Community)

Samsara

Resident Cynic
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Nice novel OP but I'm not gonna bite. Tired of meta threads. I'm sure you made some great points.
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
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Nice novel OP but I'm not gonna bite. Tired of meta threads. I'm sure you made some great points.
So why are you here and why did you comment? Was this point really that important that you needed everyone to know you dont care?
 

Samsara

Resident Cynic
So why are you here and why did you comment? Was this point really that important that you needed everyone to know you dont care?
No. My point and your post... same difference to me. People always complain about the NRS scene a couple of times a year. Conversation's played out imo. Everyone taking themselves too seriously.
 

villainous monk

Terrible times breed terrible things, my lord.
Greed.
Lust.
Envy.
Jealousy.
Gluttony.

It's what really ruins this community. I saw this crap over my timeline between pl and Tweedy now wonderchef and honeybee. Do on and so on.

I'm all for smack talk and beefs and big money matches that go above n beyond but when you bring family into it. No question you need your shit pushed in. This is why all the international community's pay no attention to us. This why they say we're whiny little bitches. That we're entitled & a joke.

Drama is good but not when you go too far.

I can't wait for tons of people to get exposed. Beefing on Twitter and arguing about money that could be your when you need to get out there and make it. Old heads ducking matches because they afraid to get Milly Rocked. All this unnecessary clucking.

Good post @CrazyFingers but this is nothing new. Soft even. Just a couple of divas talking loud making noise creating entertainment over things that aren't yet official
 

portent

Noob
We are the literal only community that gets mad about people doing this. People do this for any new game release and then go back to their new game. This isnt new behavior and also the reaction I want is for people to have their own damn brain and take things as they are. I want people to stop having their lizard brain control their actions and just answer new player with "BANDWAGONER." Any attention on our game is good attention. Why would you get mad about people actively putting eyeballs on your game? The logic looks sound but its inevitably flawed because at the end of the day people arent thinking they're just doing. Lastly they crap on the community, because of shit like this. You dont answer negativity with more of it, that just perpetuates the same thing happening. They're only calling it like they see it because all of the shitters are loud as hell and always in your face about stuff and I'd argue all those criticisms are apt ones. People should support the games more, people should travel more, more participation is needed. Also who are you to say how much time in a game is enough to not just be bandwagoning? People are gonna play stuff they have fun with. No one is claiming to go super hard into the community, they are simply excited for the game. Stop acting like everyone needs to be hardcore on NRS games to enjoy them and be welcomed by the community.

OK, I appreciate your response, however I wholeheartedly disagree with you on most of your points.

First, I take issue with the implication that I am not thinking for myself. Just because I AGREE with people that you DISAGREE with doesn't mean I'm not thinking for myself, nor does it make ME (or you) wrong. It means you and I disagree, and it DOES NOT mean that any people who disagree with you aren't thinking for themselves or are incapable of it. If that were the case, then I could say the same of you and anyone who agrees with you, but I didn't and I won't. I suggest you consider the same.

-Yes, people regularly play new games upon release and then go back to their preferred game of choice. This has nothing to do with money.

-I never called any new player a bandwagoner. I specifically referenced players who regularly and consistently chase money in a new game, then drop the game after they realize they cannot compete, or worse yet, only play the game because there's money in it, and then hypocritically tell the community they should "do what I say, not what I do". These people criticize our community for doing PRECISELY what they did; not support the game. You know what you call someone who only follows a team for a brief period until they ride out the high time? That's called a bandwagoner. New players are not bandwagoners. They should be encouraged and cultivated. The bandwagoners should be called out for telling us what to do when they aren't willing to do it themselves.

-No, ANY attention is not good attention. When you have players like Justin Wong, LI Joe, etc, who are all well known non-NRS players who are seen at the beginning of the game's lifespan supporting and playing, and then VERY QUICKLY drop it and disappear, then the message that sends to the FGC at large is "Once again NRS has created a game that isn't worth the time of the most recognizable players in our industry." How is THAT good attention? Good attention would be "Some of the most recognizable players in our industry, such as Justin Wong, LI Joe, Chris G, etc all agree with the top NRS players like Sonic Fox, Tweedy, etc. that NRS has created a game that is worth supporting long term in tournaments and is sustainable as an FGC game and not just a niche NRS player game".

-You specifically say, "They're only calling it like they see it" Let me remind you, that these are YOUR words. However, when I called it like I saw it, you took issue with it and said I'm not thinking for myself. Why are players who are not members of our community for more than a month at a time upon release of a new game being afforded a luxury that I'm not? I support NRS. I still play MK9, Injustice 1, MKX and Injustice 2. Why is my word and opinion worth less than someone who won't stick around for longer than a month? I have just as much right to call it as I see it as the 1-monthers that you're defending. Consider affording your community members and their opinions with as much respect as you are affording the hypocrites who criticize us after they drop our games, lest you risk ruling a barren land.

-Who am I? I'm the same as you, minus a blue name. You're not in any more or less of a position to tell me, or anyone else, that someone's opinion is worth more, is valued more, or whose actions can be considered bandwagoning or not. That's a VERY off-putting comment. You're no better than I am, and please don't let your blue name confuse you into thinking you are. I recognize a veiled threat when I see one. Who are you?

-Lastly, you're right, people need to play and have fun. That's exactly what I wrote in my post on the "your expectations for MK11" thread, that I want to play it and have fun with it, and accept it for what it is.


I have no issues with you, but I have some problems with the way you spoke to me. Just because you disagree with me doesn't give you any right to treat me as disrespectfully as you did, to dismiss my opinions as brainless and thoughtless, or to insinuate that you know better through a veiled threat of being a moderator.
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
OK, I appreciate your response, however I wholeheartedly disagree with you on most of your points.

First, I take issue with the implication that I am not thinking for myself. Just because I AGREE with people that you DISAGREE with doesn't mean I'm not thinking for myself, nor does it make ME (or you) wrong. It means you and I disagree, and it DOES NOT mean that any people who disagree with you aren't thinking for themselves or are incapable of it. If that were the case, then I could say the same of you and anyone who agrees with you, but I didn't and I won't. I suggest you consider the same.

-Yes, people regularly play new games upon release and then go back to their preferred game of choice. This has nothing to do with money.

-I never called any new player a bandwagoner. I specifically referenced players who regularly and consistently chase money in a new game, then drop the game after they realize they cannot compete, or worse yet, only play the game because there's money in it, and then hypocritically tell the community they should "do what I say, not what I do". These people criticize our community for doing PRECISELY what they did; not support the game. You know what you call someone who only follows a team for a brief period until they ride out the high time? That's called a bandwagoner. New players are not bandwagoners. They should be encouraged and cultivated. The bandwagoners should be called out for telling us what to do when they aren't willing to do it themselves.

-No, ANY attention is not good attention. When you have players like Justin Wong, LI Joe, etc, who are all well known non-NRS players who are seen at the beginning of the game's lifespan supporting and playing, and then VERY QUICKLY drop it and disappear, then the message that sends to the FGC at large is "Once again NRS has created a game that isn't worth the time of the most recognizable players in our industry." How is THAT good attention? Good attention would be "Some of the most recognizable players in our industry, such as Justin Wong, LI Joe, Chris G, etc all agree with the top NRS players like Sonic Fox, Tweedy, etc. that NRS has created a game that is worth supporting long term in tournaments and is sustainable as an FGC game and not just a niche NRS player game".

-You specifically say, "They're only calling it like they see it" Let me remind you, that these are YOUR words. However, when I called it like I saw it, you took issue with it and said I'm not thinking for myself. Why are players who are not members of our community for more than a month at a time upon release of a new game being afforded a luxury that I'm not? I support NRS. I still play MK9, Injustice 1, MKX and Injustice 2. Why is my word and opinion worth less than someone who won't stick around for longer than a month? I have just as much right to call it as I see it as the 1-monthers that you're defending. Consider affording your community members and their opinions with as much respect as you are affording the hypocrites who criticize us after they drop our games, lest you risk ruling a barren land.

-Who am I? I'm the same as you, minus a blue name. You're not in any more or less of a position to tell me, or anyone else, that someone's opinion is worth more, is valued more, or whose actions can be considered bandwagoning or not. That's a VERY off-putting comment. You're no better than I am, and please don't let your blue name confuse you into thinking you are. I recognize a veiled threat when I see one. Who are you?

-Lastly, you're right, people need to play and have fun. That's exactly what I wrote in my post on the "your expectations for MK11" thread, that I want to play it and have fun with it, and accept it for what it is.


I have no issues with you, but I have some problems with the way you spoke to me. Just because you disagree with me doesn't give you any right to treat me as disrespectfully as you did, to dismiss my opinions as brainless and thoughtless, or to insinuate that you know better through a veiled threat of being a moderator.
The intent wasnt disrespect. The word you was more meant in a general sense not directed towards you specifically in some of those instances. I wasnt trying to insinuate YOU had a lizard brain, I was saying that is a large chunk of people who have this mentality. If it doesn't apply to you then you're good. The implication of people abandoning a game after creating content for it being "NRS has failed at making a game" doesnt really make much sense to me since a lot of the people you listed say relatively positive things as of late. The atmosphere, while not as good as it could be, HAS improved. We're a farcry from what used to be with issues obviously still there. The "who are you to say" statement was simply me pointing out that just because people happen to hop on and also make money off a new release, doesnt mean they are just doing it to get paid and bail. No one is expecting J Wong or LI Joe to compete in NRS. That isnt their scene, as I mentioned before so why would the criticism of them not supporting the game matter? It's not theirs to hardcore support. This wasnt a threat in any capacity and I've never been known to threaten people using my mod status. Ever. I'm discussing here and I apologize for any insult I may have accidentally passed to you, that's on me but I can assure you none of it was intended to be malicious. Slightly heated maybe but never malicious.
 

portent

Noob
The intent wasnt disrespect. The word you was more meant in a general sense not directed towards you specifically in some of those instances. I wasnt trying to insinuate YOU had a lizard brain, I was saying that is a large chunk of people who have this mentality. If it doesn't apply to you then you're good. The implication of people abandoning a game after creating content for it being "NRS has failed at making a game" doesnt really make much sense to me since a lot of the people you listed say relatively positive things as of late. The atmosphere, while not as good as it could be, HAS improved. We're a farcry from what used to be with issues obviously still there. The "who are you to say" statement was simply me pointing out that just because people happen to hop on and also make money off a new release, doesnt mean they are just doing it to get paid and bail. No one is expecting J Wong or LI Joe to compete in NRS. That isnt their scene, as I mentioned before so why would the criticism of them not supporting the game matter? It's not theirs to hardcore support. This wasnt a threat in any capacity and I've never been known to threaten people using my mod status. Ever. I'm discussing here and I apologize for any insult I may have accidentally passed to you, that's on me but I can assure you none of it was intended to be malicious. Slightly heated maybe but never malicious.
I appreciate that, thanks for stepping up.

That said, the only thing I really need to reply to here is about criticism of non-NRS players not supporting. Again, I have no problem with non-NRS players not supporting, OR criticizing our community for not supporting. That's calling it as they see it.

However, when the most recognizable faces in our industry show up day 1 and act as if they're all hardcore NRS, then ghost as soon as they can't compete, AND criticize us for not supporting, that's where I have a problem. That's hypocritical. Essentially, "I'm gonna support just for some clicks and some pennies on youtube, but the moment the pennies and clicks disappear, I'm out. YOU, however, should be ashamed of yourself for dropping the game!" That, I don't like.

I sincerely hope it doesn't repeat itself for MK11 the way it has for all NRS games from MK9 on. MK11 gives me good vibes. Lets hope for the best!
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
I appreciate that, thanks for stepping up.

That said, the only thing I really need to reply to here is about criticism of non-NRS players not supporting. Again, I have no problem with non-NRS players not supporting, OR criticizing our community for not supporting. That's calling it as they see it.

However, when the most recognizable faces in our industry show up day 1 and act as if they're all hardcore NRS, then ghost as soon as they can't compete, AND criticize us for not supporting, that's where I have a problem. That's hypocritical. Essentially, "I'm gonna support just for some clicks and some pennies on youtube, but the moment the pennies and clicks disappear, I'm out. YOU, however, should be ashamed of yourself for dropping the game!" That, I don't like.

I sincerely hope it doesn't repeat itself for MK11 the way it has for all NRS games from MK9 on. MK11 gives me good vibes. Lets hope for the best!
I for sure understand that frustration
 
This is such a terrible, horrible take and has almost nothing to do with what tweedy said or meant. The entire point of his post is that people who are committed to NRS games and support it regularly throughout its entire life cycle should be the ones who get opportunities. This is just such a sell out thread and reeks of desperation of affirmation from others even if it means throwing your community under the bus so you can be seen as “different”. Despite tweedy’s complaint being completely relevant and an acceptable take.

When you have Justin Wong farming his 25k view count like he does every NRS game and all those people watch him inevitably quit 2 weeks later as he complains on stream because it’s obviously not the type of game he wants to play and those 25k people get indoctrinated with the “LUL NRS TRASH” mentality because they watch Wong not like the game you can tell me how great that attention is.
 
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We're doing better than the poor Soul Calibur 6 community right now. Don't think I didn't notice Evo Japan stop recording SC6 pools just so they could cut to a countdown for the next game and return once they got to Top 8
 
Imo there's been good reason for the NRS scene to have a chip on its shoulder.

Imo a big part of this is that NRS games were terrible for competitive play until 2011, and to the extent competitive fighting game players ever even thought about the Mortal Kombat games of the late 90s and 2000s at all, it was only to rip on them. So when MK9 was coming out, we all assumed it would suck too. Lots of players didn't even consider trying it. Some of us picked it up and really liked it, but that was a pretty small percentage of the FGC. And then the wild over-patching of MK9, Inj1, and to a lesser degree even early MKX helped build the idea among non NRS players that NRS games get released broken & incomplete & get changed constantly, and they didn't want to deal with that. The perception was also that because the scene was small, the talent pool must have been weak, so players from other scenes could do well in NRS games if they cared to. I think that was basically true tbh, and wasn't totally false until like mid-MKX, but I get that saying it is not nice.

I don't think any of that is true anymore; the games are good, the balance patching was super reasonable for Inj2, and the players are strong. But those old perceptions persisted.

So the players have been dealing with this fallout since competitive NRS games began, and it's basically why players and organizers who didn't like NRS games have been mean about them in the past, and it's prob the biggest reason why the scene has ended up being smaller, more insular, and more defensive than other FGC scenes.

But on the other hand, NRS players have been getting a lot of great things that other scenes would love to have. The developer outreach & publisher support from NRS and WB are unmatched in fighting games. There's more money and TV time and opportunities per player, streamer, organizer, and commentator in the NRS scene than in any other fighting game scene.

Players in other scenes have grown less dickish about NRS games too. There are always challenges made across sub-genres when new games come out, and there are always players who try new games and then drop out; I don't think any of that stuff happens to the NRS scene more than other scenes nowadays. I still catch people talking about over-patching like it's still going on, but that happens much less nowadays too. Attacks from the rest of the FGC are down a lot.

So while I know historically there was good reason to have a chip on the shoulder, there's much less reason today. I hope that these old feelings die out. I know that kind of thing takes a while, but it's not doing anyone any favors while it persists.

Btw, if the leaked list for the Summit is right, it could have been better, but it's not that bad either. I agree with CrazyFingers that it showcases Mortal Kombat talent throughout the past few games. But in any case, it wouldn't be an example of the larger FGC disrespecting the NRS scene, it'd just be an endemic NRS dude making one or two controversial picks.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
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That's only some of the cases. I've seen other cases where people that dont shit on the game are immediately met with "well you're just gonna drop it a month in and not contribute anything" and that shit isnt okay

EDIT: Additionally, this mentality isnt treated as a case by case thing. The default reaction to people coming from other games, specifically SF players, is usually given a negative spin because of this stigma that only applies to a minority of players. Blanketing the whole outside world isnt good in any capacity.
Yeah, that’s definitely not okay. I just personally haven’t seen that.

And idk about the default reaction to other communities within the FGC wanting to try out a new NRS games being a negative one. Like, I would need to see some examples. Because I doubt anyone who isn’t just a random twitter egg is just openly shitting on someone who just wants to try out the game. That sounds way too absurd to be true.
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
This is such a terrible, horrible take and has almost nothing to do with what tweedy said or meant. The entire point of his post is that people who are committed to NRS games and support it regularly throughout its entire life cycle should be the ones who get opportunities. This is just such a sell out thread and reeks of desperation of affirmation from others even if it means throwing your community under the bus so you can be seen as “different”. Despite tweedy’s complaint being completely relevant and an acceptable take.

When you have Justin Wong farming his 25k view
Yeah, that’s definitely not okay. I just personally haven’t seen that.

And idk about the default reaction to other communities within the FGC wanting to try out a new NRS games being a negative one. Like, I would need to see some examples. Because I doubt anyone who isn’t just a random twitter egg is just openly shitting on someone who just wants to try out the game. That sounds way too absurd to be true.
I think I should note, these are obviously be generalizing statements that I could probably handle better but enough people outside of NRS are on the outside looking in and this what they see. Clearly it doesnt apply to everyone. I dont fit under that category, you dont fit under it. The people who even disagree with my points, tend to not fall under that category. The point of this post overall was to make people more mindful of their position in the community.
 

Lt. Boxy Angelman

I WILL EAT THIS GAME
Always happy that you exist and proliferate like you do, Crazy. Bright light of hope in the deep, dark chili the community has become since MK9.
 
Imo there's been good reason for the NRS scene to have a chip on its shoulder.

Imo a big part of this is that NRS games were terrible for competitive play until 2011, and to the extent competitive fighting game players ever even thought about the Mortal Kombat games of the late 90s and 2000s at all, it was only to rip on them. So when MK9 was coming out, we all assumed it would suck too. Lots of players didn't even consider trying it. Some of us picked it up and really liked it, but that was a pretty small percentage of the FGC. And then the wild over-patching of MK9, Inj1, and to a lesser degree even early MKX helped build the idea among non NRS players that NRS games get released broken & incomplete & get changed constantly, and they didn't want to deal with that. The perception was also that because the scene was small, the talent pool must have been weak, so players from other scenes could do well in NRS games if they cared to. I think that was basically true tbh, and wasn't totally false until like mid-MKX, but I get that saying it is not nice.

I don't think any of that is true anymore; the games are good, the balance patching was super reasonable for Inj2, and the players are strong. But those old perceptions persisted.

So the players have been dealing with this fallout since competitive NRS games began, and it's basically why players and organizers who didn't like NRS games have been mean about them in the past, and it's prob the biggest reason why the scene has ended up being smaller, more insular, and more defensive than other FGC scenes.

But on the other hand, NRS players have been getting a lot of great things that other scenes would love to have. The developer outreach & publisher support from NRS and WB are unmatched in fighting games. There's more money and TV time and opportunities per player, streamer, organizer, and commentator in the NRS scene than in any other fighting game scene.

Players in other scenes have grown less dickish about NRS games too. There are always challenges made across sub-genres when new games come out, and there are always players who try new games and then drop out; I don't think any of that stuff happens to the NRS scene more than other scenes nowadays. I still catch people talking about over-patching like it's still going on, but that happens much less nowadays too. Attacks from the rest of the FGC are down a lot.

So while I know historically there was good reason to have a chip on the shoulder, there's much less reason today. I hope that these old feelings die out. I know that kind of thing takes a while, but it's not doing anyone any favors while it persists.

Btw, if the leaked list for the Summit is right, it could have been better, but it's not that bad either. I agree with CrazyFingers that it showcases Mortal Kombat talent throughout the past few games. But in any case, it wouldn't be an example of the larger FGC disrespecting the NRS scene, it'd just be an endemic NRS dude making one or two controversial picks.
I do not remember how many times in recent years I have tried to educate kids here with these facts lol.
 

Roy Arkon

I will leave my seal on you!
I listend to Chris G and while he was indeed the first victim here, he also started to do his own bullshit in that stream, by doing stuff like generalizing the whole NRS community, or saying that Sonic Fox' opinion doesn't matter. So now both Tweedy and Chris are in the wrong, each in his own way. And speaking of Sonic, he went on to set the record straight for both Tweedy and Chris in his own stream, and even Honey Bee, Pig of the Hut and Mr. Aquaman were there too. They all spoke the truth, and this is something everyone in the NRS community should notice.

Starts at 11:45

 

Eldagrin

Add me on PS4 if you want to play some games
I watched the ChrisG thing live and he had some real points, he also spread some misinformation and overgeneralized, it was a kind of a mixed bag.