Is Injustice 2 Dead & Killing The Scene?

[MaceWind]

If you want to know why the scene sucks, look to the testers and all the divisive shit that got them where they are (not going to mention any names but theres a reason why catwoman is #1 and Raiden is bottom tier). Look to the loudmouths that convince you they are some leader of the community, look to the elitist apologists that write long, endless blogposts about the discrepancies in the fighting game community as their only claim to fame. It's cliques, it's people generally being pieces of shit, its people with a political slant in the community. The "old school" elitists did nothing different than the new school ones...you go against their little "flock" which is more or less an circle jerk, you get ostracized, because people like you are stupid enough to follow every word they say and idea they have. That's why this community sucks.

I've been around long enough to know that NRS games just lose public interest after about two years. Not sure it's so deep. Also, how the hell you been?! How many old 88's are still around? Where the hell is Thunder?

 

[kevkopdx]

I mean who do you play in Injustice 2, saying that the game has no depth sounds pretty false to me. Like in every fighting games some characters are deeper than other but there is a ton of depth to be found in RObin BB Flash Ivy SG etc.

Firestorm, Starfire and Donatello... all very straight forward ... but even from a defensive standpoint, it doesn’t feel deep. also don’t get me wrong, i like and still play this game a lot

 

[TyCarter35]

The thing with I2 that probably turns off the fanbase has to do with the style of play. I2 early had shit like deadshot mirrors and the same 5 characters being in the top 8. Also the zoning heavy style that it had definitely turned off the casual viewer because let's be real the average viewer doesn't like watching "spam". The main reason IGAU did alright was the fact that it was relatively new concept.

Given that I2 is a legacy game probably was something the average viewer didn't take well especially with shit like F23 man coming back and a new idea in the NRS community. MKX while it was a broken mess for the most part brought more hype because again the average viewer would rather watch a 50/50 slugfest than a zone fest which is the misconception ppl get with I2.

Also the post launch support for I2 was arguably worse than MKX given that MKX at least gave some decent post KP1 support while I2 didn't give us much dlc besides the initial 9 characters and I2 arguably waited too long to patch the game.

As a player. Even tho MKX was broken balance wise. It was fun to get in up close and dumb shit like advancing mids and disjointed hitboxes and easy 50/50's are more enjoyable than trying to play Flash vs WW or go into a projectile war and deal with retarded shit like Adam's plus mb divekicks. Though Aquaman being mishandled by NRS is probably the biggest thing that pissed me off and trying to deal with retarded pocket starfires along with an FTD that's absolute garbage and unusable for like 1/3 of his mus was the last straw for me.

 

[STORMS]

I still hope the Masters of the Universe rumor is real.

Also, if NRS wants to improve their history... they need to continue caring for their games. Their games are almost like a jug of milk... it's got an expiration date and it's sad.

 

[Crimea]

Does this game even has the real community? At least half of the people there is just waiting for a new MK.
I try to support this game by watching every tournament, but even then I wanna skip some matches just by seeing what characters they selected because the most popular ones are too predictable to watch. And the most hypest characters are the most underrepresented

 

[geogeolivero]

Does this game even has the real community? At least half of the people there is just waiting for a new MK.
I try to support this game by watching every tournament, but even then I wanna skip some matches just by seeing what characters they selected because the most popular ones are too predictable to watch. And the most hypest characters are the most underrepresented

If I may ask just for fun who are the hypest characters to watch.

Well I will agree on this b'cus everybody thats up there love the higher tiers, Its hype to watch a good Raiden an awesome Enchantress, Black Canary, Joker and Cheetah. Its the same too on SFV nobody wants to watch a RYU or KEN.

As for the players my favorite one to watch is Biohazard. And its going to hurt me to say this but when i see Tweedy's name i need to watch hahahaha (He is such an ass but that makes a match hype to watch 2).

The game is not bad i really love to play the game, despite the 80% of scrubs with bad connection i still find it verry satisfying to come across a good player with a good connection.

That's the reward.

 

[Crimea]

If I may ask just for fun who are the hypest characters to watch.

Well I will agree on this b'cus everybody thats up there love the higher tiers, Its hype to watch a good Raiden an awesome Enchantress, Black Canary, Joker and Cheetah.

I agree about Raiden, Enchantress, Black Canary, Joker and Cheetah. I may add Poison Ivy, Grodd, Harley and Bane. Like every time I see Ivy antiairing with d2 I get some tingles

 

[Gooberking]

At least this thread is keeping TYM alive.

 

[geogeolivero]

At least this thread is keeping TYM alive.

B'cus the game still means alot to lots of people and it's sad to hear negative stuff from players that have a voice, REO is doing a good work. These are the guys to follow!

 

[Xzyj]

B'cus the game still means alot to lots of people and it's sad to hear negative stuff from players that have a voice, REO is doing a good work. These are the guys to follow!

meanwhile Reo playing MKX instead of the best NRS fighting game

 

[Marlow]

"I2 early had shit like deadshot mirrors and the same 5 characters being in the top 8"

Don't most new fighting games go through that kind of thing, especially in the early life stages? I always thought that complaint was a little overplayed.

Overall I've been pretty happy with Injustice 2. Game-wise I think it's fun, my only complaint would be that I'd like better presentation. Too much of the game seems to be in a grey, serious, dark, gritty tone. MK franchise can get away with that because they at least add in the ultra-violence, which at least gives the MK games some personality. INJ2 just ends up coming across very bland to me.

The only thing that really killed my buzz was that so much converstation in a lot of the character threads early on was dedicated to nerf/buff threads, Tier list threads, or general complaint threads. It's like instead of trying to find ways to deal with difficult characters or situations, the default response was "buff my character, nerf their character".

Not that these weren't legit points to bring up, the game has clearly benefited from some solid balance patches, but it just seemed like too many players were simply waiting for a balance patch to fix all their problems for them.

 

[KHTC Takgillo]

Firestorm, Starfire and Donatello... all very straight forward ... but even from a defensive standpoint, it doesn’t feel deep. also don’t get me wrong, i like and still play this game a lot

IDK much about Don but he seems deep to me like one of those characters that haven't been cracked yet

 

[kevkopdx]

IDK much about Don but he seems deep to me like one of those characters that haven't been cracked yet

I want to believe that but I don’t think it’s the case lol his normals just kind of suck and his trait seems better than it actually is. I’d love to be proven wrong, but I still love using him... there are better turtles, no point in picking him really

 

[Juggs]

This might sound a little off-topic, but what we really need is MKT on next gen consoles with GGPO netcode. That or UMK3. Then in a few years, MK9. I would take a re-release or a remaster for any of these.

 

[Badboy Takuma]

This might sound a little off-topic, but what we really need is MKT on next gen consoles with GGPO netcode. That or UMK3. Then in a few years, MK9. I would take a re-release or a remaster for any of these.

you can repeat this over and over again... but it will not happen anyway.
same mk9

i have more faith, that someday these old arcade games aka mk1 mk2 umk3 and mk4 could be playable on fightcade. that would be much better since fightcade is the place for the gentlemen.

 

[Juggs]

you can repeat this over and over again... but it will not happen anyway.
same mk9

i have more faith, that someday these old arcade games aka mk1 mk2 umk3 and mk4 could be playable on fightcade. that would be much better since fightcade is the place for the gentlemen.

I will keep repeating it until it does. And when it does, you owe me a beer.

 

[Raiderhorn]

I'd like to make a case that we often forget to play games for fun.

Aside from having a departure for other reasons, one of the things I'm trying to explore again is the basic enjoyment I once felt from playing. There are a number of top players in our scene that have expressed this frustration on Twitter recently. This is something that must be continually investigated to make it worthwhile. Yes, this is a site dedicated to the competitive nature of MK and INJ but it is evident that we take it too far. The debate of competitive vs casual is one that strikes a nerve when a game is hot because it affects balancing but balancing isn't everything. It doesn't dictate if a game is worth playing. Now, of course, it is one of the major tenets of game enjoyment, but it isn't the sole reason, nor should it be. I find it a bit ridiculous to see claims of people falling out of a game for just one reason when it reality it is more than one, whether the person in question knows it or not. Such claims give rise to the 'just one more patch' mentality. Playing games because they are fun is one of the strongest positions and mindsets of a thriving community.

How can we do this? I'm not so sure, I'm still trying to find out myself. But it is a discussion that we should all have among each other and ourselves for sure. We should lay out a few strategies and come to agree on a few things instead of just dropping likes here and there, otherwise some great points made for (but not limited to) lack of leadership, community attitude, advertising, lack of support/updates, all become just plain noise. With no announcement of MK11, it is a great time to explore a new kind of innovation for our game(s), which we can then bring to that game when it comes.

 

[trufenix]

calling it dead/dying every two or three weeks definitely isn't doing it any favors.

 

[dribirut]

This was the first legacy game so the meta evolved and reached its "peak" much faster which in turn made the game seem stale with lack of update/patches..

No ones fault really and definitely not a bad game

 

[Cashual]

This was the first legacy game so the meta evolved and reached its "peak" much faster which in turn made the game seem stale with lack of update/patches..

No ones fault really and definitely not a bad game

I hadn’t really considered this before. It’s actually a great point. MKX was basically brand new in terms of art style/design, mechanics (run and stamina bar function) etc., not to mention the fact that it’s a huge IP, so it makes sense that the hype was a bit more extended.

Injustice 2 is very similar to IGAU in pretty much all capacities. It made big improvements to be certain, but at its core it’s basically the same game as IGAU. I could definitely see that contributing to people losing enthusiasm faster, particularly when NRS seems to have stopped releasing new content

I think INJ2 is a great game and I enjoy it a lot, but I can see this fact partially explaining why there does seem to be a chunk of the community that is underwhelmed or simply moving on.

 

[sub_on_dubs]

Waiting for MK11. I really hope NRS is not making another game other than MK11. It's one of the few titles I actually play. I long for the days of MK9 where there were lots of rivalries and drama . I suspect those days won't come back, but I'm crossing my fingers.

 

[STORMS]

calling it dead/dying every two or three weeks definitely isn't doing it any favors.

True.

Just look at the UMK3 community, Though small, they thrive. They're actually responsible for MK at tournaments where they are now. I'm proud to say that I was part of it.

Well shit, check out this video of the UMK3 Grand Finals. This tournament had 33 entrants and that was consider hella good for our game at the time. It was doing way better than MKvDC... not sure if that is even a good argument though. I digress:

 

[Juggs]

True.

Just look at the UMK3 community, Though small, they thrive. They're actually responsible for MK at tournaments where they are now. I'm proud to say that I was part of it.

Well shit, check out this video of the UMK3 Grand Finals. This tournament had 33 entrants and that was consider hella good for our game at the time. It was doing way better than MKvDC... not sure if that is even a good argument though. I digress:

That was a great tournament.

 

[Jynks]

such a great game... man I just love the voice over... I wish they would bring that back... the way he laughs and stuff while you play is just epic.

 

[Rizz091]

Think it just comes down to, most nrs fans are mk fans. They were expecting a new mk as injustice is now at the tail end of the cycle and now with no new game coming and tons of great fighters, they don't know what to do.

I still really enjoy the game, but can see why the hype for it has gone.