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Is Injustice 2 Dead & Killing The Scene?

Why do you think the scene is dying

  • The community's attitude

    Votes: 45 47.9%
  • Injustice 2 sucks

    Votes: 28 29.8%
  • Lack of updates for Injustice 2

    Votes: 21 22.3%

  • Total voters
    94
There is true though, that TYM its like a cage fight all the time, it looks like people are attacking each other with every post which makes easier to miss interpret and then people start attacking each other for real.
That's something this forum also needs to look at, or it will keep pushing members away tho.
not only that, we are mixing a lot of stuff here.
we are talking about the community but which community exactly?
there are significant differences between lets say tym, twitter or psn/xbl online randoms.
some were saying the online community is super toxic but what has that to do with tym?
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
The thing is, you can have reasons for why you don't like a game. This feels like pretty basic stuff, but just because someone gives a reason of something they dislike about a game doesn't mean they are telling you that you gotta stop playing it
 

Aramonde

Kombatant
All the good points have already been said so i'll just give my reasons why i don't play Injustice 2.

1- IJ2 is a great game but i just don't care about DC characters that much and im not a fan of Injustice's style of gameplay.

2- There's just to many great fighting games on the market with more coming (SC6 will be my main game untill MK11).
 

Johnny Based Cage

The Shangest of Tsungs
I just think DBFZ came along and is that good, that accessible, and that fun to watch. It usurped a lot of the support from a game with far stiffer gameplay, clunkier animations, and less hype spectatorship.

And I always fucking hated Dragonball Z.

I hope the reason they’re taking more time with the next MK is that it’s getting a far larger overhaul than just some gear or variations gimmick.
 

gitblame

Apprentice
I don't know if Injustice is kiling the scene, but as I really got to like this game, my impression is that Injustice 2 is not really designed to be played longer than usual 2 year cycle. And because most likely we won't get another game next year, Injustice 2 won't be able to carry the torch and our scene will be hurt.

Here goes my negative thoughts about the game and why the game can't really last.

Injustice 2 is a DC comic book game. So it's natual that people want to play their favorite characters. But guess what, most of characters lack any depth. Any other of the game's problem inherits from that one. The character select screen meta, the meta being considered stale, the fact that noone wants to play 4-6 matchups and how boring game is viewed by majority. Because of how shallow most of the characters are, noone cares to invest a time to be a character specialist. Even in casual meta you meet people who will counter pick you, change character after first loss in casual player matches. There is absolutely no reason to grind bad matchups. What are you gonna find anyway? And it takes so little time to pick another one to your team.

People are not wrong when they claim it's a balanced game. It is. There are hardly any 7-3 matchups. Most of characters are viable to play and be one of the member of your team. But hardly any charactrer can survive on its own. And those who can are the best characters in the game.

The other problem is that the best characters in the current meta are really fkn cheap. And my impression is that the only reason they are good is because they are designed to be cheap. Just to mention Atom, Firestorm, Black Adam and Starifre. And because of the first problem - characters being shallow - you can't do nothing but pick better suited character for that matchup.

This design - pick another character after character - could be fine only if roster was super cool. And it isn't. I mean they did terrific job with some not that popular characters like Scarecrow. or Grodd and they look amazing. But as a game directed to DC fans, huge part of the roster are a second rate DC heroes. Even in story mode they were treaded like unimportant characters and had no impact on the story. I mean it's cool that couple of them made into a roster, but some really iconic heroes and villains are missing here.
 

big j gleez

Mains: Not Sure Right Now ...
There are multiple issues with community growth and popularity.

The worst and most glaring issue is the entitlement of so many people in the community... mostly casual players or newly aspiring competitive players.

People try to downplay the importance of the casual player, but this is arguably the most important for growth and obviously viewership. For some reason, the casual community for Injustice 2 is just horribly negative and many are flat out awful humans.

Twitch chat is a prime example.

I see some people talking negatively about top players in this thread, but every event I have been to or every online interaction I have had with any top player has been nothing but positive. I have never experienced anything of what is described in these threads.

What I have seen though is an entitled attitude from many people in the community to demand things from top players and in turn the player telling them to hit the bricks.... and rightfully so.

The entitlement is amazing to me. It spans from people wanting things like sets or to talk... to literally telling others how they feel the game "should" be played. This encompasses those all too often, post match messages online about how your opponent think you "should" be playing, to degrading successful players with statements like "X Player sucks because they "just" do X." So many try to degrade those who are successful and this negativity spreads like wildfire. It also creates built in excuses internally for that negative player. It is a viscous cycle and far, FAR too common.

When so many players think and act this way, how do you expect a community to grow? It can't. No one viewing the community on the outside looks at this environment and wants to take part in this. It is not inviting at all. In fact, it drives people away and perpetuates false perceptions of the game.

I also think Injustice 2 is a difficult game. It is very neutral heavy and people need to play neutral in order to win (Well, with most characters). That frustrates people... especially entitled people who want to do whatever they want. The gameplay doesn't allow for that.

Until this negativity ceases, the scene won't grow.
 
there is so much wrong in this thread, its embarassing. i mean the "twitch chat audience" or "online casual players" as evidence for the negativity in our scene is just ... LMFAO!

also, the thread title sucks too. it triggered people
 

villainous monk

Terrible times breed terrible things, my lord.
You know it's funny. I remember SRK used to have endless threads about this very same thing years ago. But the MK community not so much. Tekken community hardly a peep. The good folks over at 8way a lil. But now... Seriously you guys have it made... And your laying in it.

There used to be debates on which was better 2D of 3D. The death of cabinets and shitty online. Ect.

Now you have that good netcode. Everyone and any one can pick up the game and play.
Its 2D again with great graphics compared to 10 or 15 years ago.
Growing competitive scenes both online and off.
Real rewards you can hold in your hands for being great at a game.
The fact you don't have to wait for years in-between your chooen developer to drop games since the last release is still good and you can still do everything said above.
And much more.

Hell for the LONGEST TIME people would ask or speculate what sort of new game would then at the time Midway & Boon would make besides great MK titles for fighting game fans. And he did! But I don't remember this much bitching about it. Back then people played it. Love it or hate it but people where just plan happy to play any fighter because it was there. So now the community has it's cake and much much more and is eating it too and still it's not enough.

Twitter, TYM, discord, Reddit, SRK, and other fourms are out there to talk about the game. Plan out Match making. Talk tech, shitpost, go deep into the lore, create content and basically communicate across the globe from one to another about the games and do whatever both casullly and competitively in more ways than one now more than ever.

But instead of actually pausing for a sec and asking yourself, why do I like fighters anyways and so what do I care about a streamer, "community leaders", poster, pro player or casual thinks I'm going to play my fighter because I like it and not give a shit about some poll or other person thinks because I like fighters and I'll play them.

Some said it before.

Entitlement. Not just the community because its more then a site, cliques or a game.

You.

Spoliled as well.
 

GLoRToR

Positive Poster!
All the people bitching instead of playing condition weak-willed kids to thinking that inj2 is a bad game and that horse shit is hard to wash off of it once every moron is parroting it.
 

Jynks

some heroes are born, some made, some wondrous
If you are going to make a thread like this with a poll you need to put some counter options for those that disagree. All your poll options are negative... so it is 100% skewed as anyone that disagrees get no vote.. giving a false impression as so many people can't express themselves,
 

Cashual

PSN: Cansuela
Injustice 2 is a great game. It’s balanced, fun, and looks good.

I totally get why many people prefer MKX or MK9, they’re definitely different games with different play styles. I myself actually prefer MKX to Inj2, but I really enjoy both.

I don’t though get why there has to be almost a kind of hostility towards injustice 2 on the part of MK fans. And, I also don’t get why players have to like “announce” their intentions to drop the game and utterly shit on the game on the way out as if in an attempt to either convince others to follow suit or in some cases to sort of try and justify why they didn’t do well competitively.

It’s fine if the game just doesn’t do it for certain people—like I don’t enjoy DBFZ but I think it’s a good game—so be it, but the hyperbole of how the game is so bad that it’s literally killing the NRS scene is bullshit.

NRS has always been a small scene compared to others, and when a new MK game drops the community seems to swell, but that’s to be expected when a new game in an absolutely iconic and legendary series is released. I don’t think it’s useful to compare audience or player base sizes between MK and Injustice. Injustice isn’t killing the scene. And, no one has mandated that people can’t continue to play MKX. I suggest that those that love that game do what they can to support that game competitively. I just wish the 2 games could coexist.

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Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
It’s amazing how so many people seem to know exactly why “the scene is dying”. It’s similarly amazing how these same people I almost never see contribute anything of note to the scene. Not going to pretend that I personally contribute a lot, but I just find it odd these people have all these reasons and answers about what other people are doing wrong. Perhaps you need to be the change and the positive influence you’re so desperately asserting others are lacking.
 

gitblame

Apprentice
Someone mention lack of leadership and we can deny that this game does not have as many regular streamers, content creators and it for sure has an impact. There is no suprise that people follow their leaders. Our community desperately cries for charismatic people with passion for the game that ordinary players can look up into. Probably one of the reason why Tekken is so successful (not that Tekken 7 is amazing game by itself) is because they have Aris - very charismatic figure with his own fanbase that can spread his passion for Tekken to his fans. I don't want to discredit current streamers and content creators - I am sure they put a lot of effort in their work - but none of them really is filling the void that was created by retirement of people like Pig.
 
Sounds like Jbeezy just don't like the game and wants it to die so that NRS doesn't waste their time making another game like it again. There were people who had the same rationale with MKX, Injustice and even MK9. Theres nothing new about this thread or the replies in it.
 
As an NRS fanboy who loves their games and has now quit I2... the answer is very simple. The media blackout and lack of support for I2 post launch is the biggest factor. In this era, continued support is a necessity to maintain hype and attention. I actually tweeted something to the effect of NRS not doing anything to help their game and Tyler responded, "We released 9 characters..." He simply did not grasp that we have not been given one dame thing to be hype about since turtles. I promise, if another Fighter Pack or patched was announced in the three months before evo you would have had almost 50% more entrants to evo.

Tekken, sv5 and other games blew our minds at evo with announcements. Boon is on twitter trolling his community and not in a good way like ono does. "Hey look my entire fan base is complaining about players not getting money for IPS and are complaining of the media/social media black out... let me tweet about another fighter pack that will never happen" And before I hear "it isn't NRS fault players are not getting pain BS... stop. Yes it is, they choose to go into business with that shitty group and it is ultimately a reflection on them.

At the end of the day it is a business with big wigs at WB calling all the shots... ppl that have never touched a fighting game in their life. I am just sad NRS isn't keeping up with the other games. It is a huge possibility that there will not be an NRS game at evo next year. No way I2 makes it and its not likely we will have another game. The stream viewer count was surpassed by side tournament games... seriously.

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additional thought. for me personally I was very turned off by the lack of depth that exists in this game. I was still spending countless hours in the lab with sinestro well after 2 years into I1 and was still finding crazy stuff. this is what happens when you make a game super easy to play so casuals can keep up.
 
Sounds like Jbeezy just don't like the game and wants it to die so that NRS doesn't waste their time making another game like it again. There were people who had the same rationale with MKX, Injustice and even MK9. Theres nothing new about this thread or the replies in it.
what is new is how low entry numbers are, dead local scenes are, low stream number viewers, quality content on TYM, the tremendous drop from the previous evo relative to history of other nrs games... et cetera. it was never this bad so quickly in mk9, i1, mkx....
 
It’s the same on TYM. Barely ever see anyone trying to help anyone anymore. Just whining, insults and poor sportsmanship.

I just do not understand why people do not utilize this site. Having a way to archive character info/tech in an environment based around the game is a no brainer for me. Why people prefer to post something on twitter once to get lost in the abyss or post on that other stupid app is beyond me. I think TYM should have really done a better job keeping the character forums the main focus of the site. Instead they all went to shit. A big complaint was that people never knew what info was up to date bc of frequent patches and char mods didn't do a good job.
 
I just wish people didn't use blanket statements about depth or balance to justify what is a fundamental dislike of the game, there should be no reason why someone couldn't just be honest about that.
But this is my biggest complaint about the game. I am being 100% honest when I say that. I love injustice and had a lot of success in I1... I was more excited about this games release than most. Lack of developer support and character depth does not mean I do not fundamentally dislike the game.
 

kevkopdx

Kombatant
As an NRS fanboy who loves their games and has now quit I2... the answer is very simple. The media blackout and lack of support for I2 post launch is the biggest factor. In this era, continued support is a necessity to maintain hype and attention. I actually tweeted something to the effect of NRS not doing anything to help their game and Tyler responded, "We released 9 characters..." He simply did not grasp that we have not been given one dame thing to be hype about since turtles. I promise, if another Fighter Pack or patched was announced in the three months before evo you would have had almost 50% more entrants to evo.

Tekken, sv5 and other games blew our minds at evo with announcements. Boon is on twitter trolling his community and not in a good way like ono does. "Hey look my entire fan base is complaining about players not getting money for IPS and are complaining of the media/social media black out... let me tweet about another fighter pack that will never happen" And before I hear "it isn't NRS fault players are not getting pain BS... stop. Yes it is, they choose to go into business with that shitty group and it is ultimately a reflection on them.

At the end of the day it is a business with big wigs at WB calling all the shots... ppl that have never touched a fighting game in their life. I am just sad NRS isn't keeping up with the other games. It is a huge possibility that there will not be an NRS game at evo next year. No way I2 makes it and its not likely we will have another game. The stream viewer count was surpassed by side tournament games... seriously.

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additional thought. for me personally I was very turned off by the lack of depth that exists in this game. I was still spending countless hours in the lab with sinestro well after 2 years into I1 and was still finding crazy stuff. this is what happens when you make a game super easy to play so casuals can keep up.
I think it’s def a combination of everything you’ve said. However I still like playing this game, but yeah the lack of depth is really a shame... I mained zatanna in igau and it always felt like there were endless strategies
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
As an NRS fanboy who loves their games and has now quit I2... the answer is very simple. The media blackout and lack of support for I2 post launch is the biggest factor. In this era, continued support is a necessity to maintain hype and attention. I actually tweeted something to the effect of NRS not doing anything to help their game and Tyler responded, "We released 9 characters..." He simply did not grasp that we have not been given one dame thing to be hype about since turtles. I promise, if another Fighter Pack or patched was announced in the three months before evo you would have had almost 50% more entrants to evo.

Tekken, sv5 and other games blew our minds at evo with announcements. Boon is on twitter trolling his community and not in a good way like ono does. "Hey look my entire fan base is complaining about players not getting money for IPS and are complaining of the media/social media black out... let me tweet about another fighter pack that will never happen" And before I hear "it isn't NRS fault players are not getting pain BS... stop. Yes it is, they choose to go into business with that shitty group and it is ultimately a reflection on them.

At the end of the day it is a business with big wigs at WB calling all the shots... ppl that have never touched a fighting game in their life. I am just sad NRS isn't keeping up with the other games. It is a huge possibility that there will not be an NRS game at evo next year. No way I2 makes it and its not likely we will have another game. The stream viewer count was surpassed by side tournament games... seriously.

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additional thought. for me personally I was very turned off by the lack of depth that exists in this game. I was still spending countless hours in the lab with sinestro well after 2 years into I1 and was still finding crazy stuff. this is what happens when you make a game super easy to play so casuals can keep up.
Honestly I see this from the reverse perspective. When the developer stops support for your game, then you find out what your community is really made of, rather than the temporary hype that comes from a new character.

Melee, Marvel 3, etc. have all shown this. If you truly care about your scene you will make it happen, patches or no. And if not, then no amount of developer support can truly save your scene (Killer Instinct, MVCI, etc).

I think you don’t find out how strong a scene really is until they have to support themselves. And I don’t think we’re doing a great job of this since MKX came out. There was this mentality of “We don’t have to do anything anymore, because NRS is going to take care of the scene and sponsors will take care of the players”. We haven’t really recovered from this yet.

I think it’d be good to take a second look at how we can promote our own scene regardless of what the developer does.
 
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I think it’s def a combination of everything you’ve said. However I still like playing this game, but yeah the lack of depth is really a shame... I mained zatanna in igau and it always felt like there were endless strategies
I mean who do you play in Injustice 2, saying that the game has no depth sounds pretty false to me. Like in every fighting games some characters are deeper than other but there is a ton of depth to be found in RObin BB Flash Ivy SG etc.