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Sultani

Warrior
BurdaA said:
Agreed, in my eyes though - if anything -that’s a reason to touch those chars...

Not saying they definitely should/shouldn’t (alt kettle’o’fish), I just don’t think vanish being +2 is the problem here.

Online delay does make reflecting unassisted vanish follow-ups a guessing game tho... maybe +1 would be better, but I’m not suggesting it unless 6f 2L/5L becomes universal. Otherwise some chars wouldn’t even frame trap.
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The problem is the lack of defensive options. It wouldnt be an issue that you cant avoid getting into that situation if there was something you could do about it when it happens. Without the variety of defensive options available in other arcsys games where the blockstrings are less oppressive, you can't do anything about it. That's the problem. There needs to be more defensive options. Like block bursts, instant blocks, blitz shields, and faultless defense.

Also, in my opinion, being able to reflect a regular beam and followup vanish doesn't make it ok, because even with that, it becomes "you need to reflect this raw beam and if you didn't then you are dead."

That isnt ok either.
 
TamedLizard

TamedLizard

Buff George
Reflect is better than most give it credit for, but it does need some tweaking imo.

The problem is it's basically super risky vs top tier due to their advancing normals and blockstrings. Gohan, Cell, 16, Black, Kid, and to a certain extent Hit, but I'm not too bothered by him in this aspect as his unique strength is his oppressive ground game so reflecting him should be risky.

But I digress. Just unfortunate that in addition to having some of the game's best tools, top tier also seem the best equipped to deal with this game's legit defensive options.
 
Tanno

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
Sultani said:
Right. I was just naming characters that completely jail you if they vanish while calling a beam assist. Dint mean that he had a beam, just that if he vanished and calls an assist, you're pretty boned. Less so than characters like kid buu and adult gohan, though... those ones... you arent getting out.

Biggest complaint about this game aside from lack of defensive options against insane block strings that cant be avoided is definitely how block randomly just doesnt work. It happened about 6 times in the hour i played today. Not sure if this is just online or what, but its pretty stupid to be blocking attacks and then havea random mid just open you up while youre still blocking.
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Unfortunately, this block issue happens in random. I can't even fuzzy block anything at all, which I'm usually that good. Dunno why it's triggered in random. I'm making a hypothesis that it has to do with the hitboxes that not only do hit in the front, but at the back, meaning that those hitboxes might be ridiculously large that could hit the other side. This is something I found out when I tested as Beerus to hit both sides, and it certainly does a chip damage. If anyone is a pro dev and knows shit tons of possible stuff that could happen regarding this, please, place your hypothesis. I can't think of any other possible culprits than this one I found. I was in some situations, when I was like "WTF?" when I was wondering that even thought I block my char keeps being opened at random. :/
 
BurdaA

BurdaA

Frost-Byte
Sultani said:
The problem is the lack of defensive options. It wouldnt be an issue that you cant avoid getting into that situation if there was something you could do about it when it happens. Without the variety of defensive options available in other arcsys games where the blockstrings are less oppressive, you can't do anything about it. That's the problem. There needs to be more defensive options. Like block bursts, instant blocks, blitz shields, and faultless defense.

Also, in my opinion, being able to reflect a regular beam and followup vanish doesn't make it ok, because even with that, it becomes "you need to reflect this raw beam and if you didn't then you are dead."

That isnt ok either.
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I’ll always take extra defensive options, just not sure how realistic an expectation that is at this stage.

Also, sorry if unclear, but I wasn’t talking about reflecting beam>vanish (although you definitely should whenever you can), but rather blocking beam>vanish then reflecting the follow-up. Good players may bait the reflect, but it’s still a decent option against pressure happy opponents. Again, only where no assist was called.
 
Tanno

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
BurdaA said:
Holy shit, does he get free corner extension off a lvl3? And twice!!
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If you had seen K&M's Broly breakdown, you'd notice that, unlike the rest of the chars, he has the slowest lvl3 power AF, so he has the ability to keep on pressuring.
 
JBeezYBabY

JBeezYBabY

Mr. Righteous
Tanno said:
If you had seen K&M's Broly breakdown, you'd notice that, unlike the rest of the chars, he has the slowest lvl3 power AF, so he has the ability to keep on pressuring.
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From looking at breakdowns it seems Broly is only deadly in the corner.
 
Tanno

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
JBeezYBabY said:
From looking at breakdowns it seems Broly is only deadly in the corner.
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He's deadly EVERYWHERE. If you end anything in the middle, you'll want to up the armor. In the corner, it's BOTH armor AND lvl3 power. He's practically Unstoppable Jason.
 
Osagri

Osagri

Fear the blade of Osh-Tekk
BurdaA said:
I’m working rn :( I know what I’m doing for the next few days tho! Long weekend for Easter too, dope!

How’re you enjoying him?
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I did have only one hour to play him coz I did have to get to work but when I get home Im gonna play him more. But he did feel like my char :)
 
Juggs

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Sultani said:
Not really sure I understand. Offline vs online.... an adult gohan or kid buu player calls a beam assist and then vanishes. What offline reaction is available that doesnt end up with you blocking until you're in the corner eating infinite mixups?

I suppose you could just let vanish hit you, but getting hit on purpose as your best choice seems like a bad game to me.
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Talking about raw vanish
 
Tanno

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
EntropicByDesign said:
They out on Steam yet?

All I see via Steam mobile is the season pass. They can be bought seperatly?
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Better get the season pass to get them all rather than the standalone version. You never know. You might find a character that would go well with your synergy team.
 
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