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Juggs

Juggs

Lose without excuses
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TakeAChance said:
Are you still on Xbox? Would love to practice and grind with you.
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Yes I am! I play mostly on XB1 but have it for PS4 as well. But I prefer the XB1 controller (for some reason) and don’t have a converter yet. So yeah... lol
 
Juggs

Juggs

Lose without excuses
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Dragon Rush Tech Data courtesy of @GFAnBi on twitter: https://twitter.com/gfanbi/status/966259587912491010

-Green Flash appears on 7f
-Techable with Dragon Rush: 1~23f
-Techable with button: 15~23f

-Also, DR becomes active on frame 20


So essentially, it’s always better to tech Dragon Rush with Dragon Rush.

Also, if I’m reading it correctly, you have 13f to be able to react and tech it from the time you see the green flash to the time it becomes active. Pretty crazy.
 
axcelerate

axcelerate

Mortal
I don't get this game I need help. At this higher level I'm getting demolished. It's either button mashing with strategy. Or I'm completely out classed the later is a layer issue. After a reflect what are you guys doing. Do you have to reflect multiple times or is it one reflect into punish. Much like Injustice i seem to be the only one with out a grasp of the game. What stops an opponents advancement? I run up and they an 2 m and they standing light me I make the same approach and nothing I tried the jump down heavy gets me know where.
 
axcelerate

axcelerate

Mortal
axcelerate said:
I don't get this game I need help. At this higher level I'm getting demolished. It's either button mashing with strategy. Or I'm completely out classed the later is a layer issue. After a reflect what are you guys doing. Do you have to reflect multiple times or is it one reflect into punish. Much like Injustice i seem to be the only one with out a grasp of the game. What stops an opponents advancement? I run up and they an 2 m and they standing light me I make the same approach and nothing I tried the jump down heavy gets me no where.
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ProudDisciple

ProudDisciple

Average at Best
axcelerate said:
I don't get this game I need help. At this higher level I'm getting demolished. It's either button mashing with strategy. Or I'm completely out classed the later is a layer issue. After a reflect what are you guys doing. Do you have to reflect multiple times or is it one reflect into punish. Much like Injustice i seem to be the only one with out a grasp of the game. What stops an opponents advancement? I run up and they an 2 m and they standing light me I make the same approach and nothing I tried the jump down heavy gets me know where.
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Im with you 100%. Seems like I can’t figure out when to press buttons, when to reflect to try to punish, I can’t get them off me but they get out of my pressure with ease. I honestly don’t care about winning but when Im losing and not ahowing progress or learning something new, I just get frustrated.
 
EntropicByDesign

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
Tony at Home said:
Goku Black is fair

Fight me

Only because i'm using him now

And I know he's easy bullshit

(EDIT)

I AM IN LOVE WITH THIS 2H
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I've gone over to the Black side too. He's subbing for Kid Buu for a while and it's just so damn nice. He's just consistent and solid at all times in any situation.

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EntropicByDesign

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
ProudDisciple said:
Im with you 100%. Seems like I can’t figure out when to press buttons, when to reflect to try to punish, I can’t get them off me but they get out of my pressure with ease. I honestly don’t care about winning but when Im losing and not ahowing progress or learning something new, I just get frustrated.
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I'm nothing special, a novice, so my advice may be shit, but..

So, instead of trying to do things and wondering they they don't work, try to think what the opponent is trying to do.

Like, If you're sitting across from each other don't think "im gonna run up and press 2L", look at him and think "what does he want to do right now" and also say "what will he do if I run up and try to press 2L". Start making your decisions based on what you think your opponent's decisions are going to be. This is just a for instance, but let's say you're looking at a Cell player... There's a damn good chance he's going to react to forward grounded movement with his 2M, so if you just charge forward he's going to blow you up.. but with this piece of basic info in kind you can try to bait out the 2m and catch him coming in. Now you don't do that in the traditional block and punish scenarios of other games, and what you do depends on your team. For instance if I think I can bait a cell into a 2m, I'll call Black assist and iAD with Hit, often landing my jumping button into a combo. Just one basic example.

This game is very very friendly to Mashers and it can make approach feel difficult sometimes because there's just this absolute wall of buttons in front of you, and random shit happening all the time.. I've had the most success when I calm down and use my assists to cover my approach, vary my approach and try to bait and punish SDs. Just raw approach in this game is weird because you might win, but you may lose to someone spamming the shit out of whatever buttons.. and that's disheartening.

Try to think like your opponent and make your moves based on what you think he's doing, or what you think he will do in response to what you're doing, and ALWAYS cover your approach in neutral when at all possible vs spamming opponents. Learn what your frame traps are and when you get in with an assist, run frame trap pressure to catch the mash. If you find a player who respects the pressure and doesn't mash, then you have someone who isn't a gorilla, and you can start your own mindgames on him. If he respects the frame trap pressure and isn't going to blindly mash.. well now the real game begins.

As to reflect and punish, don't bother unless you understand the gaps and nuances in what they are doing. I reflect occasionally and it's an important skill, but honestly, it's important vs solid opponents and vs crazy ass mashers it's not going to matter. Did you reflect that Cells 2m? He's just going to 2m again immediately. I use reflect to push someone off me when I feel like there is enough gap to do so, and inuse the space to reset neutral or get room to call an assist and engage behind it and swap momentun around.

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Juggs

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
axcelerate said:
I don't get this game I need help. At this higher level I'm getting demolished. It's either button mashing with strategy. Or I'm completely out classed the later is a layer issue. After a reflect what are you guys doing. Do you have to reflect multiple times or is it one reflect into punish. Much like Injustice i seem to be the only one with out a grasp of the game. What stops an opponents advancement? I run up and they an 2 m and they standing light me I make the same approach and nothing I tried the jump down heavy gets me know where.
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Well you can block while advancing. Like you can iAD and then hold back and block in the air and on the ground. You can block at any point as long as you’re not pressing buttons. That seems obvious but start doing that more. Like if someone is 2H’ing your jump ins, jump in and block, then punish. If they cancel the 2H into SD, 2H their SD.

This seems obvious like I said, but I started doing this more and it has helped a lot. Also, try not to be on the ground in neutral if you can help it. Constantly be moving be like I said, if you’re not pressing buttons while you’re moving, make sure you’re blocking.

Other than that, I would need to see some match footage to give you more specific tips. I’m not the greatest player but I got a pretty good grasp on the game.
 
EntropicByDesign

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
Juggs said:
Well you can block while advancing. Like you can iAD and then hold back and block in the air and on the ground. You can block at any point as long as you’re not pressing buttons. That seems obvious but start doing that more. Like if someone is 2H’ing your jump ins, jump in and block, then punish. If they cancel the 2H into SD, 2H their SD.

This seems obvious like I said, but I started doing this more and it has helped a lot. Also, try not to be on the ground in neutral if you can help it. Constantly be moving be like I said, if you’re not pressing buttons while you’re moving, make sure you’re blocking.

Other than that, I would need to see some match footage to give you more specific tips. I’m not the greatest player but I got a pretty good grasp on the game.
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The "do stuff but block" advice is really good. I didn't think to mention that, but 'Ive started adding it into my play a lot more and its been paying big dividends.. this game is so liberal with the air actions and such that it's extremely easy to dash in blocking, catch them trying to catch you, and still options to hurt them, or for additional movement (Kid's Ball for example) and the like.

Super good advice.
 
EntropicByDesign

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
Oh, just learned this,

Apparently those of us in EU and NA are super fortunate. Our version of DBFz has a much larger roster than the version released in Japan. Only characters they have access to are Cell, Vegeta, Black and two, maybe three others.. and their version is bugged and SS Vegeta is automatically on your team. Crazy!
 
ProudDisciple

ProudDisciple

Average at Best
@EntropicByDesign

I try to anticipate what my opponent wants to do but I haven't found answers as to how to avoid their pressure getting started. It really is a simple concept, "get your opponent to block something in order to lock them down, to be able to start your pressure which should ultimately net you damage and a knockdown."

I played a long set last night vs a red/purple square and my opponent pushed buttons all the time, super dashed at me when I couldn't punish him and just countered everything that I did. The opponent knew their spacing, timing and the priority of their moves vs mine way better than I did.

He won the majority of the matches I know that I was frustrated and honestly super salty so I'm not trying to take anything away from my opponent. I have to admit that during the majority of the matches I was asking myself, "Why is this guy hitting buttons in this situation?" and telling myself "he won't hit buttons there, oh wait yeah he did."

I just need to keep on playing and eventually I'll get over this.
 
freerf245

freerf245

11 11 11 11
ProudDisciple said:
@EntropicByDesign

I try to anticipate what my opponent wants to do but I haven't found answers as to how to avoid their pressure getting started. It really is a simple concept, "get your opponent to block something in order to lock them down, to be able to start your pressure which should ultimately net you damage and a knockdown."

I played a long set last night vs a red/purple square and my opponent pushed buttons all the time, super dashed at me when I couldn't punish him and just countered everything that I did. The opponent knew their spacing, timing and the priority of their moves vs mine way better than I did.

He won the majority of the matches I know that I was frustrated and honestly super salty so I'm not trying to take anything away from my opponent. I have to admit that during the majority of the matches I was asking myself, "Why is this guy hitting buttons in this situation?" and telling myself "he won't hit buttons there, oh wait yeah he did."

I just need to keep on playing and eventually I'll get over this.
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There are no red or purple squares huh
 
EntropicByDesign

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
freerf245 said:
There are no red or purple squares huh
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I've heard this before.. the orange and pink squares can look red and purple on some displays or color settings I think. The first time I saw the orange square I thought it was a weird red myself.

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axcelerate

axcelerate

Mortal
Juggs said:
Well you can block while advancing. Like you can iAD and then hold back and block in the air and on the ground. You can block at any point as long as you’re not pressing buttons. That seems obvious but start doing that more. Like if someone is 2H’ing your jump ins, jump in and block, then punish. If they cancel the 2H into SD, 2H their SD.

This seems obvious like I said, but I started doing this more and it has helped a lot. Also, try not to be on the ground in neutral if you can help it. Constantly be moving be like I said, if you’re not pressing buttons while you’re moving, make sure you’re blocking.

Other than that, I would need to see some match footage to give you more specific tips. I’m not the greatest player but I got a pretty good grasp on the game.
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Great advice I turned it around a little today. Thanks
 
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