Net Neutrality: What is all the talk about?

[PLAYING TO WIN]

And as a reminder this is TYM, nobody is changing the world with huge posts on here.... Go start a blog that will probably not get any attention.

Also, who is talking? It could very well be a 14 yo kid vs a CEO of a major company. Nobody knows lol.

So lets bring it back.... enjoy... and make sure you read the comments section. gold.

https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/7dhb0r/bear_messing_with_water_tank_gets_hit_in_the_nuts/

 

[PLAYING TO WIN]

We are quite possibly #1 for opportunity in the world

not possibly ... we are 10000000%

 

[CrimsonShadow]

not possibly ... we are 10000000%

Yeah, I think of the USA as having greater risk, but with the tradeoff of greater reward.

If you want to succeed here, you need to have a definite plan of action, and be willing to take specific steps to set yourself up for the lifestyle that you want. But if you're willing to do that, the potential ceiling is higher and much more flexible career-wise than so many other places in the world.

 

[EMPEROR_KNICKS]

oh and about that forbes article: its apparently based on widely accepted numbers, but its conclusions are so far-fetched that i have to doubt the way they were calculated. the article literally claims that this guy:

is actually equally wealthy as this guy:

The exact Quote is: "Even if you're stuck in the bottom 5% of the US income distribution your standard of living is about equal to that of the top 5% of Indians"
considering this, the numbers really have to be rechecked.

This is potentially the worst argument i have ever actually seen in my entire life, wow lol, yes the like top 0.001 percent, the very richest people in india yes congratulations they are richer than the poor in the u.s. However they mean people like upper middle class or people making more than than most of the people in india because india is a poor country, so yes poor people in the U.S have cars, tvs, internet, etc, im sure many people if not most dont have all these luxuries in india lol.

 

[PLAYING TO WIN]

Yeah, I think of the USA as having greater risk, but with the tradeoff of greater reward.

If you want to succeed here, you need to have a definite plan of action, and be willing to take specific steps to set yourself up for the lifestyle that you want.

But if you fail and go on government assistance for the rest of your life you are still living better than 80% of the world (subjective guess). Still have cell phone, place to live et cetera. Most homeless have mental health issues and do not understand they have resources or how to even utilize them. it is very sad.

but yes it does not matter what race, socioeconomic status, age, religion in this country. you have opportunity.

of course some have it easier bc of good family support or previously successful parents with better guidance and environment. but that is something that exists in every part of the world from the beginning of time. obligatory statement bc I know people were going to hound on this

 

[CrimsonShadow]

i'm also sick of that whole pick yourself up by the bootstraps attitude as well. Sure you can work 2-3 low paying jobs to try and make your life better, but the toll that takes on you just isnt worth it, especially if you work something ridiculous like 80 hrs a week.

The usual ticket to a better lifestyle in the USA is education/training, not just hard work.

We're not talking about expensive university education here -- something akin to what you can get from a community college, technical school, or in some cases even online classes, Youtube videos and free books.

One of the things that's nearly a constant in America is that there's a shortage of people available to fill skilled positions in certain fields. And an abundance of people looking to fill relatively unskilled positions.

'Skilled position' doesn't always mean 'fancy 4-year degree' -- a lot of times it can just mean learning some bit of software that's actually easy to use but in-demand, or some particular trade.

I think the true key is figuring out how to leverage all available resources to aid your learning/training, and that manes grants and scholarships, programs for the disadvantaged, free classes, online learning, books, charity training programs, etc.

 

[EMPEROR_KNICKS]

You don't need to link me to studies lol.

You don't have to be particularly well informed to notice the difference in lifestyles in America in comparison to other countries, especially if you've been to all of these countries.

A good way to open your eyes would be see how well you fare surviving in your own country on your own for x amount of time, then try it again in another country. A study won't show you truth of living it.

America doesn't even have a minimum wage do you?


Also to deny the fact America was built on the backs of slaves is actually insane, and to think your countries wealth is legitimate or on your own backs, it's not. It's through war and slavery. But since slavery isn't American anymore, war will have to do.

There's plenty of reasons why America isn't great, and isn't a top tier 1st world country. But I only have this opinion based on experience with America and plenty of other countries first hand.

America is good, but overhyped, not the safest country by a long shot, designed to milk you dry/kill you. But at least it's not an existence like living in Mexico being beheaded for just knowing the wrong people

Foxy England had slavery almost as long as the u.s, like what are you actually talking about lol, like p2w said every major country/empire had slavery, and you argue it was built on it or whatever. From whats going on in the E.U right now i would definitely l not wanna live there, America has a federal minimum wage, and cities and i might be wrong on this one but states can too, so yes we do. Every country was built on war, I mean thats how most of history went, it was war and conquer, but again thats not Americas legacy, America again has the most innovations, records, noble peace prize winnings, helped win ww2 bc without the U.S the allies would have most likely lost, has the best foreign aide, set up the U.N, its the leader of the Free world, etc,etc. Again its not overhyped, its the place everyone wants to travel to, and theres a reason everyone wants to come here.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

But if you fail and go on government assistance for the rest of your life you are still living better than 80% of the world (subjective guess). Still have cell phone, place to live et cetera. Most homeless have mental health issues and do not understand they have resources or how to even utilize them. it is very sad.

80% of the world for sure, but not most of the First World -- which is is the point that the Europeans in this thread are making. I can understand their position, even if I still think that the USA is overall balanced out by the opportunity here.

 

[PLAYING TO WIN]

Foxy England had slavery almost as long as the u.s, like what are you actually talking about lol, like p2w said every major country/empire had slavery, and you argue it was built on it or whatever. From whats going on in the E.U right now i would definitely l not wanna live there, America has a federal minimum wage, and cities and i might be wrong on this one but states can too, so yes we do. Every country was built on war, I mean thats how most of history went, it was war and conquer, but again thats not Americas legacy, America again has the most innovations, records, noble peace prize winnings, helped win ww2 bc without the U.S the allies would have most likely lost, has the best foreign aide, set up the U.N, its the leader of the Free world, etc,etc. Again its not overhyped, its the place everyone wants to travel to, and theres a reason everyone wants to come here.

I mean foxy wants to come here bc of the opportunity NRS and the American tournament scene offers? Japanese players come to the US bc of the opportunity and money. Just saying. love you all... please go back to this (again read comments)

https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/7dhb0r/bear_messing_with_water_tank_gets_hit_in_the_nuts/

 

[PLAYING TO WIN]

80% of the world for sure, but not most of the First World -- which is is the point that the Europeans in this thread are making. I can understand their position, even if I still think that the USA is overall balanced out by the opportunity here.

What it comes down to imo, is that too many people think they are "owed" a living and do not have to work for it. That is a derogatory statement and I am sorry.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

What it comes down to imo, is that too many people think they are "owed" a living and do not have to work for it. That is a derogatory statement and I am sorry.

There is a tenet in a lot of other first-world countries that working people are owed a basic standard of living regardless of how much they make. Basically the idea is that people should have affordable access to basic needs if they're working full-time, regardless of how low their salary might be. Also affordable access to important developmental tools like college education.

While I completely understand your point, I think the issue isn't people who aren't working -- it's people who are working, but aren't making enough to get around the expensive basic costs of 'life'.

So I see the problem from both sides: there are definitely people who are complaining but refuse to help themselves; but there are also people who are legitimately working hard, yet are sidelined by the costs of living a normal life.

 

[NothingPersonal]

Some of you people here can't even spell right, but you want to get out of poverty lmao.

 

[trufenix]

A lot of you guys should actually spend some time working a job, buying groceries, or just trying to live in a foreign country longer than I dunno, a weekend at a friends house, before saying you know what its like to live there.

Most first world countries in 2017 have a thousand plus years of cultural development on the US. To say that any one of them is "better" or "worse" or can even be contrasted based solely on poverty rates or healthcare methods is a proof of how far reasonable discourse has broken down.

Foxy didn't even know we have minimum wage and he's been here and a bunch of countries a million times. At that point the discussion about which country is run better is over.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Most first world countries in 2017 have a thousand plus years of cultural development on the US.

It's those same people that built the US, and thus the US also benefits from said cultural development.

The critical part is what happened (or didn't happen) in the decades since WW2.

 

[trufenix]

It's those same people that built the US, and thus the US also benefits from said cultural development.

The critical part is what happened (or didn't happen) in the decades since WW2.

I. . . I am actually stunned that you delivered such a short sighted retort. 70 years is the critical difference between the US and the rest of the world? Are you just trolling?

 

[New York Pizza]

I am very novice politically and tend to generalize my arguments on specific issues like an emotional teenager when it comes to politics so if I do here... woopsies.

Yes, I see everything wrong with dismatleing NN. To enforce such conservative outdated policies on a sophisticated economies such as telecommunications and the www I see no benefit to the average consumer and all the leverage in the world given to these industries.

Funny, because in the article the head FCC guy called an "end to the micro managing of the internet" barring possible federal privacy infringment like tapping into our cell phones and government drones hovering over our heads.

I see you, government, you want to tighten the belt on the general population on the lookout for roadside bombers coming to the streets of NY but give the keys away to these multi billion dollar "economy terrorists" with the freedom to corrupt and infringe upon our daily lives **cough couch Comcast cough

 

[Tanno]

The real terrorists are those who control the entire planet. They do not represent any local in any country.

 

[New York Pizza]

The real terrorists are those who control the entire planet. They do not represent any local in any country.

Penny for penny, one subtle "right to change user policy/ pricing at any time without the consent of the consumer" at a time. I wonder the possibilities where this could lead for these multi billion dollar companies where moral has been replaced by a dollar sign? And against consumers like you and I where our only options are either A) get screwed over ourselves and go to the next monopoly or B) wait for someone else to get screwed over and, again, go to the other monopoly.

The only voice we have now against these conglomerates are "Yelp" and "Google reviews," cool.

 

[Tokiwartoothxdk]

This thread has strayed so far off its initial intent

 

[CrimsonShadow]

I. . . I am actually stunned that you delivered such a short sighted retort. 70 years is the critical difference between the US and the rest of the world? Are you just trolling?

It's not like what is now considered to be the US was started by actual Native Americans. The colonists were just people who came from the other countries you're referencing, wiped the natives off their land, and brought that knowledge and experience with them.

This was a colony of European countries first and foremost, so the past learning was passed on.

 

[Lex Luthor II]

I just can't wait for Star Trek time... where we've done away with capitalism, where technology solves scarcity, where education eradicates religion and bigotry.

 

[Marinjuana]

I just can't wait for Star Trek time... where we've done away with capitalism, where technology solves scarcity, where education eradicates religion and bigotry.

Does capitalism not exist in Star Trek though? Despite mentioning that they've moved past money there is mention of credits several times and Picard's brother owns a vineyard which makes you question how that all works out. Replicators eliminate the scarcity for many products but it still exists for Dilithium and there's obviously certain things like land where replicators can't eliminate scarcity. They never went to in depth with this besides basically saying that capitalism doesn't exist as we know it but it never made a ton of sense to me. Cool topic to think about though, much funner then arguing what country is "great" or not.

 

[BurdaA]

Does capitalism not exist in Star Trek though? Despite mentioning that they've moved past money there is mention of credits several times and Picard's brother owns a vineyard which makes you question how that all works out. Replicators eliminate the scarcity for many products but it still exists for Dilithium and there's obviously certain things like land where replicators can't eliminate scarcity. They never went to in depth with this besides basically saying that capitalism doesn't exist as we know it but it never made a ton of sense to me. Cool topic to think about though, much funner then arguing what country is "great" or not.

That is quite interesting... I guess industry could be state owned? Only seen ToS so not terribly knowledgable....

Edit: vineyard tho... hmm

 

[kabelfritz]

This is potentially the worst argument i have ever actually seen in my entire life, wow lol, yes the like top 0.001 percent, the very richest people in india yes congratulations they are richer than the poor in the u.s. However they mean people like upper middle class or people making more than than most of the people in india because india is a poor country, so yes poor people in the U.S have cars, tvs, internet, etc, im sure many people if not most dont have all these luxuries in india lol.

i think it was rather a ridicubad interpretation of data in the forbes article because they said exactly what i said. i even quoted it.

anyway, the US guy in the photo doesnt look like hes got any of what you mentioned. lets say, the limit to be called poor is set pretty high in the us. that does not mean that anyone who falls below that limit has a certain wealth. it can go down to zero, even for a big group. the median used in the studies is not an instrument that measures that. it could be that 90% of people below the limit are way below it. its actually not unlikely as the study itself states that wealth inequality is high in the us.

 

[Lex Luthor II]

Does capitalism not exist in Star Trek though? Despite mentioning that they've moved past money there is mention of credits several times and Picard's brother owns a vineyard which makes you question how that all works out. Replicators eliminate the scarcity for many products but it still exists for Dilithium and there's obviously certain things like land where replicators can't eliminate scarcity. They never went to in depth with this besides basically saying that capitalism doesn't exist as we know it but it never made a ton of sense to me. Cool topic to think about though, much funner then arguing what country is "great" or not.

Earth has no money/currency system I believe in Star Trek. Capitalism is not our ultimate goal, and it never should be. It is simply the best we can do now. In a future world where technology solves most problem you WONT have to have a job to survive and eat. The world has become so advanced it takes care of each other.