Net Neutrality: What is all the talk about?

[Marinjuana]

hi, im not from USA, can u explain me what this net neutrality is?

Basically, government regulation that prevents ISP's from charging people differently or providing different service(throttling) depending on what the actual content of your internet usage is. Without it, ISP's could potentially provide different service or charge more if you were gaming or more extreme things like streaming illegal porn.

They would still be under public pressure depending on what they do with this freedom but ISP's (in the US anyway) are huge and in a lot of places(more rural typically) there is only one provider avaiable which means there's no alternate choice if they decided to be asshats.

Arguments against are mostly about how ISP's could influence or even control access to certain content if they wish which could potentially be horrendous for internet freedom compared to what we have now. Arguments for tend to focus on the monetary benefits for ISP's would get which could lead to cheaper internet service, more varied plans, etc.

It's a really complex issue but that's the gist of it from what I understand.

 

[God Confirm]

This is pretty inaccurate, when America is far, far different from all these countries and from whats going on in them. There is 2 many factors to consider such as population,whats going on in the country, amount of immigrants etc. So to say a country like Denmark with a pretty small population, doesnt get itself into conflicts, doesnt provide as much service and aide to the world as the u.s, etc etc.

This factors ARE considered in that statistic. Those numbers aren't the number of poor people living in each country, it's the RATE of poverty. U.S. has a lower percentage of immigrants by half as much as some of the countries on there, so you can't blame immigrants for this one. This same statistic is built as a measure of poverty in all these countries, "oh but it doesn't apply to America though because REASONS", it's just another example of American's denying FACTS, because it doesn't suit your close minded sheltered view of America being great at something that it clearly isn't.

you need to do 3 things to stay out of poverty in the United states. Dont have children before you are married, graduate highschool, and have a fulltime job. Only 2 percent of people who do this are poor.

oh I see now, the trick to not being poor, is to not be poor!

You realise this is a direct comparison to other countries right? Having a kid before you are married and not graduating highschool isn't an outright sentence to poverty many other places in the world, meaning that by your own measure the statistic is correct, and America belongs on top of that list, as it factually already is.

Why is it that you think reasons like "oh but U.S. gets in more conflicts wars than other countries" has literally any relevance here? Yes, they do, so you think thats why more people are poor in America? okay, lets give you that, and whatever other reasons you want to attribute it to - so now there is factors that cause a higher rate of poverty in your country - that's exactly the point being made, this doesn't detract from the facts here at all lol




and I can't even begin to wrap my head around the mentality of "America is great because of the American dream and coming here to lift yourself out of poverty", and then citing immigrants as the reason for your poverty

 

[God Confirm]

I mean these were all inventions invented in America by ppl who became American Citizens so i dont get this post where was i wrong?

I first read this and had a flash of frustration at the stupidity of this statement, which was immediately replaced by pity for the level of education the average citizen of your country is barreling through life with.

The discovery of fire began nearly 2 million years ago, with the earliest tangible evidence 1.6 million years ago in Africa. The earliest outside of Africa was in Israel, at 800,000 years ago, and then followed by a more or less tie for China and UK areas at 400,000 years ago. None of these people were American, or went on to become "American citizens".

You probably can't even fathom how idiotic you look like citing off statements like "fire is an American invention" or "the guy who invented the wheel went on to become and American citizen", but really, all this stuff is easily researched - you cannot lean on the excuse of your poor education for this, because you KNOW you are talking about stuff you know absolutely nothing about right now. Rather than doing that, just spend a few minutes online fact checking your statements.

 

[Juggs]

hi, im not from USA, can u explain me what this net neutrality is?

Easiest way to explain it is to watch this:

 

[Meep8345]

So one you didnt read the study, and two ur talking out of ur ass lmao. Most people i know who are failing in highschool are because they dont attend classes dont do HW assignments and tend to act like degenerates which is why they dont finish lmao. People can become tycoons in other countries its just that most of them come from America because of the freedom of opportunity America offers. And i somehow doubt things like uber, ebay, and facebook all rely on slave labor lmao. And the thing that angered me the most lol is that we are almost as corrupt as Russia, funny because my parents actually fled from Russia but ok. First off you basically cant be gay in russia, no freedom of press, people are not tolerable there at all, many more people struggle from drug addiction, they dislike jewish people, etc. So please tell me more how we are almost as bad as Russia and again there is a reason people chose America out of all these other countries to come too, because of the Freedom it entails, the economic freedom, the social freedom, etc. At least thats why my parents came here, who came with nothing and now are middle class functioning members of society, and can now speak the language. And I will add the U.S isnt the best or great at everything but if we are talking about historically Americas def great.

Talking out my ass? Have you even worked at a job? A highschool diploma won't get you far at all in this day the most it can go is 12 an hour unless you go to a trade school or something similar, or you take a huge risk and try to start your own business while also working a full-time job which limits what businesses you can start due to your free-time and money being very limited. No where did I say that these companies rely on slave labor they exploit people for huge profit car companies are amazing at this. You are right we are not as bad as Russia I said that out of pure frustration with how things are going for us but we can be just as bad if we aren't careful our freedom is at risk. America was found on great ideas but we're not what we once was anymore.

 

[Juggs]

Talking out my ass? Have you even worked at a job? A highschool diploma won't get you far at all in this day the most it can go is 12 an hour unless you go to a trade school or something similar, or you take a huge risk and try to start your own business while also working a full-time job which limits what businesses you can start due to your free-time and money being very limited. No where did I say that these companies rely on slave labor they exploit people for huge profit car companies are amazing at this. You are right we are not as bad as Russia I said that out of pure frustration with how things are going for us but we can be just as bad if we aren't careful our freedom is at risk. America was found on great ideas but we're not what we once was anymore.

This is not true at all. There’s definitely jobs where you can make $30+ an hour with only a high school diploma. Most are labor intensive jobs though. It’s more about who you know and how much experience you have in a lot of jobs these days.

And this isn’t even taking into account having your own small business like you said to supplement your income. The only way you can be “permanently poor” in America is if you’re bad with money and/or make poor financial decisions.

 

[Vigilante24]

LMAO you actually think its that easy just graduate high school and have a fulltime job? LMAO what!? Dude you do know that the majority of places will only pay you min wage and you are lucky as hell to get a job that pays 12 an hour, it is not that simple to get out of poverty.

I just graduated college with Bachelor's Degree. Im currently working min wage at a music store. #FeelsBadMan

 

[Meep8345]

This is not true at all. There’s definitely jobs where you can make $30+ an hour with only a high school diploma. Most are labor intensive jobs though. It’s more about who you know and how much experience you have in a lot of jobs these days.

And this isn’t even taking into account having your own small business like you said to supplement your income. The only way you can be “permanently poor” in America is if you’re bad with money and/or make poor financial decisions.

Please list the jobs you can make 30+ an hour with only a highschool education and no further education that a 20 something can get. And yeah you are right with that amount of money and proper budgeting you can easily start a business on the side like flipping cars or bikes for profit.

 

[EMPEROR_KNICKS]

I first read this and had a flash of frustration at the stupidity of this statement, which was immediately replaced by pity for the level of education the average citizen of your country is barreling through life with.

The discovery of fire began nearly 2 million years ago, with the earliest tangible evidence 1.6 million years ago in Africa. The earliest outside of Africa was in Israel, at 800,000 years ago, and then followed by a more or less tie for China and UK areas at 400,000 years ago. None of these people were American, or went on to become "American citizens".

You probably can't even fathom how idiotic you look like citing off statements like "fire is an American invention" or "the guy who invented the wheel went on to become and American citizen", but really, all this stuff is easily researched - you cannot lean on the excuse of your poor education for this, because you KNOW you are talking about stuff you know absolutely nothing about right now. Rather than doing that, just spend a few minutes online fact checking your statements.

I think you didnt understand what I said, and you clearly didnt read what the other guy said at all lol, I said that Americans invented ebay,the iphone, the car, internet etc so yah lol. Had to quickly respond to this while im responding to your other statement.

 

[Meep8345]

I just graduated college with Bachelor's Degree. Im currently working min wage at a music store. #FeelsBadMan

On the bright side you work at a music store if you love playing music lol. What was your major?

 

[Meep8345]

I think you didnt understand what I said, and you clearly didnt read what the other guy said at all lol, I said that Americans invented ebay,the iphone, the car, internet etc so yah lol. Had to quickly respond to this while im responding to your other statement.

You worded it kinda strange when I read it I thought you were talking about Americans actually inventing fire but then realized you were referring to the inventions in your post so I can see why Barry misinterpreted it lol.

 

[Vigilante24]

On the bright side you work at a music store if you love playing music lol. What was your major?

Oh yea im in the music industry fulltime and I love this job. Still tho, probably making the same as a high school dropout. Just adds to your point that graduating high school isn't garunteed you can make enough to stay out of poverty lol.

I had a Music Business degree with emphasis in recording. I am primarily an Audio Engineer now.

 

[Juggs]

Let me expand on how big companies exploit people and make our "free market" not so free. Let's take a company like Ford for example they

Please list the jobs you can make 30+ an hour with only a highschool education and no further education that a 20 something can get. And yeah you are right with that amount of money and proper budgeting you can easily start a business on the side like flipping cars or bikes for profit.

Lineman OPT work. Working for AT&T, Power company, cable company, etc. Even being a line assistant where you’re on the ground and/or directing traffic can range from $12-$25+. AT&T OPT workers that I work with make $35 an hour. Only high school diploma required. Further education and training is provided by the company if needed. Other construction work as well, such as boring, locating, buried service wire, surveying, placing hand holes, placing innerduct, etc.

Two of my friends have zero college or higher education and started out making $20 an hour doing this stuff. And that’s the starting pay, it probably maxes out aroud $40. I started at $10 doing line assist, I’m also on track to make $30+ an hour within 5-10 years.

You also can do this stuff and work out of town. The AT&T OPT workers that work out of state make $200 a day just off of per diem. These guys were making over $4k a week for doing relatively simple OPT work.

 

[Da Tac0]

Brb making salary with my highschool diploma. Lol at thinking you need more. Does a college education help? Sure. But it also puts you in a massive amount of debt. Which is why I decided against college. Y'all need to read "Rich Dad Poor Dad." Fantastic read.

 

[EMPEROR_KNICKS]

This factors ARE considered in that statistic. Those numbers aren't the number of poor people living in each country, it's the RATE of poverty. U.S. has a lower percentage of immigrants by half as much as some of the countries on there, so you can't blame immigrants for this one. This same statistic is built as a measure of poverty in all these countries, "oh but it doesn't apply to America though because REASONS", it's just another example of American's denying FACTS, because it doesn't suit your close minded sheltered view of America being great at something that it clearly isn't.



oh I see now, the trick to not being poor, is to not be poor!

You realise this is a direct comparison to other countries right? Having a kid before you are married and not graduating highschool isn't an outright sentence to poverty many other places in the world, meaning that by your own measure the statistic is correct, and America belongs on top of that list, as it factually already is.

Why is it that you think reasons like "oh but U.S. gets in more conflicts wars than other countries" has literally any relevance here? Yes, they do, so you think thats why more people are poor in America? okay, lets give you that, and whatever other reasons you want to attribute it to - so now there is factors that cause a higher rate of poverty in your country - that's exactly the point being made, this doesn't detract from the facts here at all lol




and I can't even begin to wrap my head around the mentality of "America is great because of the American dream and coming here to lift yourself out of poverty", and then citing immigrants as the reason for your poverty

The whole, how not to be poor in the U.S was in response to the meep guy but i didnt add him to the multi quote so it looked confusing so that ones on me. Im not necessarily saying immigrants are the driving factor but there a lot of factors that are to be blame for some of the higher rates of poverty but again the way I presented was confusing and incorrect . However one thing i did forget to mention was that while the U.S does have a higher rate of poverty, the poor in the U.S still live much better than some middle class people in the other countries you named. The median household income in the U.S is higher than most countries you named(will link source below) The high poverty rate well lets look a person at 60 percent median income in the U.S . These people are almost as rich as the median income for countries such as spain,italy and the uk. And look you are right while the U.S might have a high poverty rate the standard of living is by far better than people living in poverty in some of the other countries you mentioned. The amercian dream is something great and so is the spirit and the freedoms the U.S has. Thats why most physical endurance, records,cures, inventions, come from the U.S, thats why people come to U.S more so than these other countries with crazy tax rates not as much liberty or freedom of the U.S.
https://mises.org/blog/poor-us-are-richer-middle-class-much-europe
also a different study saying the same thing
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/01/astonishing-numbers-americas-poor-still-live-better-than-most-of-the-rest-of-humanity/#7b8288a554ef

 

[Da Tac0]

And BOOM @EMPEROR_KNICKS with the soccer kicks.

But knicks...

With free college and health care we would save sooo much money! We could just rent instead of own properties! Why would I wanna wait 1-3 years to buy my house when I can wait 5-10 years because of my amazingly high taxes?!?!

 

[EMPEROR_KNICKS]

And BOOM @EMPEROR_KNICKS with the soccer kicks.

But knicks...

With free college and health care we would save sooo much money! We could just rent instead of own properties! Why would I wanna wait 1-3 years to buy my house when I can wait 5-10 years because of my amazingly high taxes?!?!

Lmao

 

[The chosen puddle]

Lets just say fuck it and get some fresh air outside

 

[Da Tac0]

Lets just say fuck it and get some fresh air outside

What if I don't lead some hippy lifestyle?

 

[Juggs]

Lets just say fuck it and get some fresh air outside

Fresh air, pfft, yeah right. The air hasn’t been fresh since the 80’s.

FeelsBadMan

 

[Da Tac0]

Fresh air, pfft, yeah right. The air hasn’t been fresh since the 80’s.

FeelsBadMan

A lil smog never hurt anyone mayun.

 

[God Confirm]

Brb making salary with my highschool diploma. Lol at thinking you need more. Does a college education help? Sure. But it also puts you in a massive amount of debt. Which is why I decided against college.

how on earth do you view this as a positive aspect of your country, when the comparison is to the alternatives where this isn't the case? I can go to college just fine in mine and not rack up massive amounts of debt. The amount of social condition you are under to believe that your country is leading the pack on this is astounding.

 

[The chosen puddle]

What if I don't lead some hippy lifestyle?

MANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN get in the van and lets hotbox it

 

[Da Tac0]

how on earth do you view this as a positive aspect of your country, when the comparison is to the alternatives where this isn't the case? I can go to college just fine in mine and not rack up massive amounts of debt. The amount of social condition you are under to believe that your country is leading the pack on this is astounding.

Well I'm sure just like in the US the cost of your education will vary depending on school choice and field. Let me ask you something. Why is it when someone wants the best college education they come to America? People around the world fight hard to get into our schools. You get what you pay for. That's neither here nor there. Can you post statistics of overall cost for say a engineering or something in the science industry

 

[MidTierHarley]

ayy we out here comparing countries like our dick sizes i love it