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Captain Cold General Discussion Thread

How can people not see this character for the turd that he is? He's a gimpcicle. He's got some amazing matchups, but that doesn't make him any less of a poor man's Firestorm.

I honestly think he has nothing but 7/3 matchups! He either totally dominates his opponent because they have to deal with puddle, or they totally dominate him because they get to ignore puddle.

"But what about his sick-ass zoning, you know-it-all-pessimist" you belt in anger and frustration. And to that I say, "Great, go fight a Green Arrow or WoWo and get back to me. Better yet, have a go at Beetle, Red Hood, Superman, Deadshot, Ivy, Starfire, Supergirl, Fate, Firestorm, Darkseid, or...Bladam and get back to me about that awesome zoning." Go ahead and spend precious seconds tinkering around with your trait, eating projectile after projectile, trying to make your snowballs fly faster. Oh no!

"But what about his sick-ass defense?" you blurt, almost reflexively. And to that I say, "Firstly, learn an adjective besides 'sick-ass'. There are literally dozens to choose from! Secondly, what good is defense when your opponent doesn't have to come to you? Don't get me wrong, his defense is amazing vs certain characters, but those tools become a total non-issue in most matchups."

"Offense?" you squeek, not even sure of your own question. And to that I say, "Michael Jackson has been reincarnated as this video game character because he is straight up moonwalkin... His walk speed and floaty jumps make him a big juicy target for zoners and rushdown characters alike. He ain't chasing down nobody who don't want to be chased down. Which sucks since he has to chase down anyone with a half-decent projectile."

And this all, of course, is assuming your name is not Sonic Fox. Otherwise, please disregard.
I think vs WW it's a 5/5
 

Lanqu

Noob
Thank god they nerfed that mazafaka killer, now there is no point to visit practice mod with him at all!
Finally, we can unsubscribe CC forum!!
Glory to mankind!
 

Moms4lif3

Bruh.
I am not sure how hard the changes will affect cold.. Bringing the puddle time down by 40% (!!) was definitely a bit much imo and the reduced bubble time might also screw him over.. I am not convinced how good/bad the lvl 3 trait will be now, if it does a lot of damage it at least has its purpose now.. I believe the changes were not really justified tho, he gets bodied by many characters so he should be able to body some characters as well. With characters like SG who didn't get touched changing him at all seems pretty bad, like has cold really been such a huge problem for anyone ??
 

IrishMantis

Most humble shit talker ever!!!
Yeah honestly I would of being fine with it if changes also happened to the likes of BA and especially SG who are clearly better chars.

But because Sonic make it far with Cold (not alone I might add, in a bad MU he switched) Cold gets hit
 

Moms4lif3

Bruh.
Well Scarecrow made it far with whiteboi and since then he received nothing but buffs. I don't really understand the logic behind that , but until I try I will just assume colds gameplan changes a little now and he is actually still viable... otherwise I would be really disappointed to be honest, he was hella fun until now
 
Didn’t they say once captain cold is on level 3 trait he gets more damage on his normals and specials ?or did I make it up I labbed before I went to work for like 5 mins and I didn’t See no changes in damage , might stop playing with him anyway I feel like firestorm kinda plays the same but better
 

Lanqu

Noob
Didn’t they say once captain cold is on level 3 trait he gets more damage on his normals and specials ?or did I make it up I labbed before I went to work for like 5 mins and I didn’t See no changes in damage , might stop playing with him anyway I feel like firestorm kinda plays the same but better
I bet his shot and wall could get dmg buff on level3 charge. But who cares, sometimes you can't even charge up to 2nd level to start your game
 
I bet his shot and wall could get dmg buff on level3 charge. But who cares, sometimes you can't even charge up to 2nd level to start your game
I don’t think that’s true I did f23 d4 back3 ji3 b232 wall and did it was just db3 instead of trait Nd did it without full trait I didn’t see a difference and so what db3 isn’t a special move . I just condition them so I can get away with charging trair
 

Moms4lif3

Bruh.
I don't really understand what u're saying but lvl 3 trait should do more damage than the same combo with db3 because lvl 3 is much harder to get than 1 bar of meter.. lvl 3 was never that good because it does the same thing as db3 mb in combos and fullscreen its also not really a threat. its too slow (reactable) and cold can't really combo off of it when he is far away. If they made it as fast as canary cry or made it freeze long enough that you can go to the opponent and b3 them it would be pretty good... I will try and see tonight if cold still holds up now, I sure hope so
 

Lanqu

Noob
lvl3 is the same except it brings some damage on the table for 'some' hits. But noone knows what hits are buffed with dmg during lvl3
 
lvl3 is the same except it brings some damage on the table for 'some' hits. But noone knows what hits are buffed with dmg during lvl3
This is what I meant , with full trait on I didn’t see any bnbs do more damage like they claimed to do on stream . Level 3 trait for launcher seemed to do like 10 more damage tho but I never did level 3 anything before patch so I’m not sure how much damage scaling was taking off to compare . All I seen that was given was nerfs , nothing to compensate atleast for it ethier
 

Lanqu

Noob
And I was sitting there and clapping when hear -40% for lvl2 trait expecting some new mixups incoming or some op changes to moveset to compensate.. n' then 'waaaat?? wtf'
 

snort

Noob
Honestly, NRS ruined this character. Why even play Cold at all when there's characters who do what he does but way better? If you like his ice globe just play Flash, his trait is full screen, you don't need to take risks charging it, and can lead to some of the highest damage in the entire game. You like Cold's ice puddle? Just play Super Girl, her d1 (which is a low) links to ice breath (because Colds d1 does not link to ice puddle), and she covers every aspect in the game for being a top tier char.
Cold has no overhead or low starters, doesn't have any good strings to work with (his b232 is all highs lol), and NRS just nerfed his ice puddle which was a HUGE part of his game.
 
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Honestly, NRS ruined this character. Why even play Cold at all when there's characters who do what he does but way better? If you like his ice globe just play Flash, his trait is full screen, you don't need to take risks charging it, and can lead to some of the highest damage in the entire game. You like Cold's ice puddle? Just play Super Girl, her d1 (which is a low) links to ice breath because Colds d1 does not link to ice puddle.
Cold has no overhead or low starters, doesn't have any good strings to work with (his b232 is all highs lol), and NRS just nerfed his ice puddle which was a HUGE part of his game.
His 122 string is pretty good but I get what your getting at .
 

Moms4lif3

Bruh.
So I tried him out yesterday.. I feel like the shorter time on the puddle is the only difference that is really that noticeable. The bubble is still good and most of the combos still work, even the guaranteed freeze resets.. lvl 3 does a little more damage in combos as far as I could tell, but didn't they say the projectiles do more damage on lvl 3? I did not see any difference to before.. that would have honestly been a good change, right now I don't really see a reason to use lvl 3 the dmg is still better with lvl 2 in combos