Balance patch changes (Major patch) discussion

[South]

Ok but how about, Darkseid non meter burned laser not hitting low profiling special moves. I would pay for that to be in a patch.

Well I mean it's a low profile move for a reason it happens to a lot of characters tbh

 

[Juggs]

@Juggs
@A F0xy Grampa
@CrimsonShadow
@RM Crimson Panther
@Superman64
@myri

FINISH HIM!!!!

I mean she is balanced. She needs very minor changes to be tournament viable. And that's all SG players want. We don't want a top 5 character, I don't at least.

 

[South]

Ummm they are on drugs. If anything she might get one or two nerfs actually lol but I would like her to stay the same.

I don't think she needs nerfs imo she fine as is in my eyes she in a perfect place.

 

[South]

I mean she is balanced. She needs very minor changes to be tournament viable. And that's all SG players want. We don't want a top 5 character, I don't at least.

Yes she balanced I honestly couldn't put anything in fear of saying "that would break her" so she is another character that it's up to the scene to throw out ideas and debate over

 

[x TeeJay o]

I mean she is balanced. She needs very minor changes to be tournament viable. And that's all SG players want. We don't want a top 5 character, I don't at least.

I know I just thought it was funny he thinks she's fine basically which is false. She def needs a safety button or string. In terms of design yeah I thinks she is flawless

 

[Juggs]

Yes she balanced I honestly couldn't put anything in fear of saying "that would break her" so she is another character that it's up to the scene to throw out ideas and debate over

All she needs is B12 or at the very least B123 being -5 aka safe. That's all.

 

[South]

Black Canary nerf? I can't with TYM. Leave.

A damage reduction of no specific % isn't really bad I've been hit with 700-800 damage combos only reason her damage isn't talked about is because her current playstyle isn't for this meta. So before you try blow something up why don't you "suggest REASONABLE" or else leave ?

 

[Superman64]

So Nerf everything? Fair I guess

 

[South]

All she needs is B12 or at the very least B123 being -5 aka safe. That's all.

I know I just thought it was funny he thinks she's fine basically which is false. She def needs a safety button or string. In terms of design yeah I thinks she is flawless

Yea b123 being -5 is reasonable

 

[South]

So Nerf everything? Fair I guess

What are you even on? A lot stuff is buff

 

[Temptress]

A damage reduction of no specific % isn't really bad I've been hit with 700-800 damage combos only reason her damage isn't talked about is because her current playstyle isn't for this meta. So before you try blow something up why don't you "suggest REASONABLE" or else leave ?

If you're getting hit by Black Canary when you main Ivy then the problem is you, period. BC has to work her ass off to get in and with the amount of strong zoners this game has, the last thing she needs is a nerf, regardless of how small.

 

[PharaohLite]

make lanterns might great again

 

[Superman64]

What are you even on? A lot stuff is buff

Ok so a better way of explaining my self is that you made a lot of damage nerfs which i felt were unnecessary like some of your other changes i just fell some changes were made just to change mainly some of the nerfs but even some of the buffs.

 

[Harlequin969]

Robin:
Fix all his whiffing issues, b213 and f3, d3 on flying characters.
Make 212 hit more consistently in juggles
Give Robin a very far trait option so dbu4 df1u u4 respectively.
Make sweep safer.

First two are my true wants and not 100% buffs.
The last two are small buffs to make life better

 

[DDutchguy]

Okay let's go, detailed.

Batman:

113 goes from +6 on block to +4 and the gap size is shortened

What? Why does Batman need a +6 on block string? Also shortening the gap size accomplishes very little because you can only backdash it or punish it with a fast parry anyway. Reducing the gap only changes the parry thing which is not necessary at all.

D3 goes from -3 on block to -4

What does one extra frame of block disadvantage accomplish exactly?


Green Lantern:

B1 is now -10 on block up from -14

Eh... Lantern's B1 already has issues as it is. I won't deny it's an amazing normal but this would make the gap between B13 and B12 so big everyone could probably full combo both strings (if that's how this change would play out).

Lantern Might now Anti Airs consistently

Not necessary as Lantern's D2 is already great.


Aquaman:

B123 goes from +2 on block to -1

Pretty much universally agreed upon though I would prefer something like -3.

damage reduction of 2% on all b123 conversions

Disagree because this 2% is negligible and it doesn't change any of his other combos.


Firestorm:

trait charges 2% faster

Does this accomplish anything really? Say trait takes 60 seconds to charge, it would now take 60/1.02=58.8 seconds fo charge?


Red Hood:

make forward lunge invincible for 4F

As a Red Hood player, unnecessary. Not denying it would be baller to have but giving him an 8-frame semi-invincibld wakeup mid with as much range as it has is a bit overkill.

22 is now -3 on block up from -6

Would make his 22 pressure quite a bit better, I'll take it.


Joker:

Bang! Mb is now a mid

Good grief yes I need this.

new string F13 Mid, mid that's -5

Why a new string exactly instead of just adjusting his standing 2, standing 3 and F2 strings seeing as they are all mids already?

new string F11 mid, overhead that's -10 on block

Same thing as before, but what does this accomplish if it's not special cancelable?


Atrocitus:

Rage charge mb is now +1 down from +4

A bit unnecessary in my opinion, you can already stuff Atrocitus out of his MB rage charge if he ever does it.

Push blocked during dex-starr life drain 1.5% more of dex-Starr bar

I hope you mean a lot more than just 1.5% of his entire bar because that won't do anything.


Wonder Woman:

223 loses it gap

What the fuck no

•223 is now +5 from +12

Give her a free +5 mid string? I'll pass.


Black Adam:

Lightning Storm is now -5 on block down from -3

Does this accomplish much besides teaching Adam players not to disrespect their -3?

Dive kick is never made +! Safe is ok but plus? Hell no

Fully agree, plus on block (and possibly jailing) launching divekick should not be a thing.

damage reduction of 8% on all combos

Agreed.


Cheetah:

new string F13 High

I'm always iffy on adding new strings, I prefer improving old ones.


Deadshot:

F1 is now a 9F mid

Agreed, 6-frame mid is a bit overkill as of now.


Blue Beetle:

Trait Dive is now -10 and gains one hit of armor

I sure hope you don't mean his Bf3 in trait because with the pushback it has this would be really dumb frankly.


Dr. Fate:

DF1 now has 3F of recovery added

Nerfing Fate? I disagree. DF1 is already -17 (though with virtually no blockstun) so most characters already get a free forward dash.

Heal orb lands on doctor fate and damage orb lands on opponent

MB orb would be insanely good for Fate both in and out of trait. Do not agree.


Swamp Thing:

Balanced just this meta doesn't fit him

You sure? Each to their own but I don't agree. Swamp Thing needs help.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

Uh...I think the Grodd changes could give him a block infinite...ya know.

 

[Crimson Panther]

Anyone, and I mean anyone; top player to lowly casual, if you say Supergirl is balanced, fine the way she is or (god forbid) top/op, you don't know the MU and you are letting her get away with murder.

 

[thlityoursloat]

TIL Fate needs nerfs and Swamp Thing is fine.

 

[DDutchguy]

Anyone, and I mean anyone; top player to lowly casual, if you say Supergirl is balanced, fine the way she is or (god forbid) top/op, you don't know the MU and you are letting her get away with murder.

- I think no one would ever argue she is top besides maybe Rexxy
- Other Supergirl players think she's balanced but just needs help to be tournament viable.
- Brushing off opinions by saying "you don't know the matchup and are letting her get away with murder" is not a good argument.

 

[DeftMonk]

Swamp needs less recovery by 2-3 frames on a few strings for starters to make his bnbs not 1 frame links. Also for real tho just get rid of deadshot. That char is trash. The amount of thought u need to play that char is negative. They have him way too many tools imo

 

[South]

If you're getting hit by Black Canary when you main Ivy then the problem is you, period. BC has to work her ass off to get in and with the amount of strong zoners this game has, the last thing she needs is a nerf, regardless of how small.

1st I don't even use ivy!
2nd I use lantern and his zoning is average at best he's strong in the neutral where black canary really wants to be
3rd if you have to rely on 7-8hundred damage combos the problem is you because you can't get in or your neutral is lacking
4th black canary is fine as is in all aspects she has mix, a strong Oki game, good jumps, etc
5th only reason she not classified as "good" even though she is, is because of the current meta so once again
COME UP WITH REASONABLE CHANGES OR LEAVE

 

[South]

Robin:
Fix all his whiffing issues, b213 and f3, d3 on flying characters.
Make 212 hit more consistently in juggles
Give Robin a very far trait option so dbu4 df1u u4 respectively.
Make sweep safer.

First two are my true wants and not 100% buffs.
The last two are small buffs to make life better

I can respect all those wantes tbh

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

Supergirl:

Less damage scaling on breath

Firestorm:

Starts with trait. Trait builds between rounds.

MB Fireball doesn't dissapear on trade.

That's all

 

[Temptress]

1st I don't even use ivy!
2nd I use lantern and his zoning is average at best he's strong in the neutral where black canary really wants to be
3rd if you have to rely on 7-8hundred damage combos the problem is you because you can't get in or your neutral is lacking
4th black canary is fine as is in all aspects she has mix, a strong Oki game, good jumps, etc
5th only reason she not classified as "good" even though she is, is because of the current meta so once again
COME UP WITH REASONABLE CHANGES OR LEAVE

Black Canary has garbage neutral, you have no idea what you're talking about lmao. Possess an IQ above that of a manatee and then create balance threads, because last time I checked Harley buffs, "Swamp Thing is fine", and BC nerfs are the furthest thing from "reasonable" there is, so the only one leaving here should be you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[DDutchguy]

Black Canary has garbage neutral, you have no idea what you're talking about lmao. Possess an IQ above that of a manatee and then create balance threads, because last time I checked Harley buffs, "Swamp Thing is fine", and BC nerfs are the furthest thing from "reasonable" there is, so the only one leaving here should be you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

You're allowed to have an opinion but don't be condescending.