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Tweedy

Noob
I play a bit of Mystic and do really well vs EUs top Crystaline players

I would like to play this vs a US Crystaline player that Ermac players are having trouble with
Killer Xinok is way better than every NA Crystalline, even Destroyer. We're kind of lacking tbh.

I haven't played RZA so idk where he's at in comparison to lord Xinok.
 

Pan1cMode

AUS FGC represent!
I believe mileena is better but won't begrudge you having ermac at the top. (I also believe she has the best reversal in the game although you said armour which is kinda different to reversal since mileena's is invincible.)

It might be my own bias though since Jacqui deals with ermac much easier than she does mileena.
 

xKhaoTik

The Ignore Button Is Free
"Easily the best armored move in the game. Possibly the best"


Well, which one is it?
Ex push duh lol

EDIT: nvm I see what you mean. Dumb moment
exe push in mystic , I believe Kenshi's push is better
kenshis push isn't better at all. The only thing it has over ermacs is the fact that it's + on block. Other than that, ermacs push surpasses it in every way
 
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IrishMantis

Most humble shit talker ever!!!
Killer Xinok is way better than every NA Crystalline, even Destroyer. We're kind of lacking tbh.

I haven't played RZA so idk where he's at in comparison to lord Xinok.
Yeah the only problem is me and Xinoks connections don't seem to love each other :(

But I just feel in general a lot of people don't know how to deal with Tremor in terms of exposing his weakness

Cage players think it's 7-3 to Crystal but I think it's 6-4

Its probably because I play vs Tremor nearly daily lol
 

Tweedy

Noob
What does Ermac have that Sektor doesn't?
Characters are different so statements like this are never correct.

Ermac has better armor, a 6 frame D1, his jump 2 does not need to auto correct, similar to Mileena's. Sektor doesn't have any mix ups off of a blocked jump in kick like Ermac does with air soul blast or jump kick into whatever. Sektor also doesn't have a 13 frame launching mid that goes farther than halfscreen. Sub 20 frame launching 50/50s.

Sektor is higher on my personal tier list but he definitely doesn't have every good thing that Ermac has.
 
I'd confidently put Ermac somewhere in the Top 5 space. The problem with whittling down a direct Top 5 is that there are many characters who have an argument for their placement. I did summarize Ermac's tools on a different thread so I'll bullet point them here for those who maybe don't know.

1) Anti Airs are among the best in the game. D1/D3/D4/St 4/B1/St 1/F3 can all AA for full combo.

2) Top Tier jump attacks. Ermac's Ji3 is a hair or two slower than Scorpion's but is just as Active. His Ji1 has l
long reach similar to Sonya's and his J2 auto corrects and is extremely difficult to AA with anything not named
Ball Roll

3) High Meterless Damage. In all 3 variations Ermac can net between 30-42% without using meter. In fact,
using meter in his combos is often not worth the extra 3-5% you may get.

4) He builds meter faster than a chunk of the roster. Doesn't matter what variation, Ermac's meter build is
extremely good. Since he doesn't need meter for combos he generally always has a bar for Armored
reversals or breakers.

5) He has a safe launching Mid that Anti Airs, confirms for full combo, can be special canceled and normal
canceled into an overhead that breaks most single hit armor in the game. F3 is literally a god send normal.
11 Frame startup, -4 on block, can be easily staggered with other normals or IASB for full combo.

6) IASB, while both versions aren't as plus as they used to be. They're still plus, still unreactable and one
still launches for big damage in the corner. Can also be used to combo mid screen.

7) 6 frame D1, 8 frame D3 that low profiles under some mids including D1's.
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Taking all of that into account, it's easy to slap a Top 5 label on Ermac, some may see Top 1. Though I almost wouldn't push it that far. The Top 5 contenders (based off of community posts/tweets/rants) Still filled with the likes of Cassie, Jason, Smoke, Sektor, Shinnok, Ermac, Jacqui (Some) Pyro Tanya, Sub Zero (Debatable I know) Kitana & Mileena. So at that point you have to break down each of the characters and how many winning/neutral/losing match ups they have.

Could you say that Ermac as a whole has more or less winning match ups than Tri Borg, Mileena, Kitana, Shinnok or Cassie? In my experience with Ermac I've found that he can contend against most of the characters in the game with at least 1 variation. Though the following have always felt like a struggle regardless:

1) Displacer Raiden
2) Mileena
3) Smoke
4) Scorpion (Hellfire)
5) Tremor (Crystalline beats MOS & Mystic. Runs even-ish with Spectral)
6) Shinnok (Others may debate me on this one)

Overall, I would say Ermac is certainly a top 5 contender, maybe even a Top 3. But with the way the game is in the current state, I'm not sure I could definitively state that he's #1. PERSONALLY I think Tri Borg fits that spot as the character with the most winning match ups. I'm not in the camp of, "Well each of his variations play differently so we should count them.---" no. He's 1 character with 4 separate variations. His are just more radically different than other characters. As a whole, I'd lean towards him over Ermac, though that is of course debatable.
 

Tweedy

Noob
I'd confidently put Ermac somewhere in the Top 5 space. The problem with whittling down a direct Top 5 is that there are many characters who have an argument for their placement. I did summarize Ermac's tools on a different thread so I'll bullet point them here for those who maybe don't know.

1) Anti Airs are among the best in the game. D1/D3/D4/St 4/B1/St 1/F3 can all AA for full combo.

2) Top Tier jump attacks. Ermac's Ji3 is a hair or two slower than Scorpion's but is just as Active. His Ji1 has l
long reach similar to Sonya's and his J2 auto corrects and is extremely difficult to AA with anything not named
Ball Roll

3) High Meterless Damage. In all 3 variations Ermac can net between 30-42% without using meter. In fact,
using meter in his combos is often not worth the extra 3-5% you may get.

4) He builds meter faster than a chunk of the roster. Doesn't matter what variation, Ermac's meter build is
extremely good. Since he doesn't need meter for combos he generally always has a bar for Armored
reversals or breakers.

5) He has a safe launching Mid that Anti Airs, confirms for full combo, can be special canceled and normal
canceled into an overhead that breaks most single hit armor in the game. F3 is literally a god send normal.
11 Frame startup, -4 on block, can be easily staggered with other normals or IASB for full combo.

6) IASB, while both versions aren't as plus as they used to be. They're still plus, still unreactable and one
still launches for big damage in the corner. Can also be used to combo mid screen.

7) 6 frame D1, 8 frame D3 that low profiles under some mids including D1's.
=================

Taking all of that into account, it's easy to slap a Top 5 label on Ermac, some may see Top 1. Though I almost wouldn't push it that far. The Top 5 contenders (based off of community posts/tweets/rants) Still filled with the likes of Cassie, Jason, Smoke, Sektor, Shinnok, Ermac, Jacqui (Some) Pyro Tanya, Sub Zero (Debatable I know) Kitana & Mileena. So at that point you have to break down each of the characters and how many winning/neutral/losing match ups they have.

Could you say that Ermac as a whole has more or less winning match ups than Tri Borg, Mileena, Kitana, Shinnok or Cassie? In my experience with Ermac I've found that he can contend against most of the characters in the game with at least 1 variation. Though the following have always felt like a struggle regardless:

1) Displacer Raiden
2) Mileena
3) Smoke
4) Scorpion (Hellfire)
5) Tremor (Crystalline beats MOS & Mystic. Runs even-ish with Spectral)
6) Shinnok (Others may debate me on this one)

Overall, I would say Ermac is certainly a top 5 contender, maybe even a Top 3. But with the way the game is in the current state, I'm not sure I could definitively state that he's #1. PERSONALLY I think Tri Borg fits that spot as the character with the most winning match ups. I'm not in the camp of, "Well each of his variations play differently so we should count them.---" no. He's 1 character with 4 separate variations. His are just more radically different than other characters. As a whole, I'd lean towards him over Ermac, though that is of course debatable.
No mention of Possessed Kenshi and Displacer Raiden upplay?

I wish I could like this post more than once.
 
Possessed I still feel is either 5-5 or 5.5 in Ermac's favor. Overall while Kenshi does have some strengths being able to punish Ermac's BF2 at max range. He still has worse buttons than Ermac imo.

•He can't teleport in the neutral ever without being Anti Aired for full combo.

• Assuming we're looking at Mystic, anytime he has meter (which is frequent) he can punish the overhead just to let the Kenshi know that is an option.

•Ermac can safely OS Kenshi's wake up and either be 0 on block or get a full combo punish into another HKD.

It's not a dominant match up in either way though I do believe Ermac still edges Kenshi out if only slightly.

As far as Displacer goes. I think many people undervalue how good it is in the right hands -> KIT Lil Majin. Is still undoubtedly the best Displacer I've played. Ermac can't really play games in the neutral safely against him. Punishing some of the Teleport shenanigans can also be difficult if not requiring frame perfect responses. I wouldn't say it's an 8-2 or 7-3 but I believe it to be at least a 6-4.
 

Rude

You will serve me in The Netherrealm
Killer Xinok is way better than every NA Crystalline, even Destroyer. We're kind of lacking tbh.

I haven't played RZA so idk where he's at in comparison to lord Xinok.

....m2dave?

The blow ups tho?
 

GAV

Resolution through knowledge and resolve.
Coolest? Very close, but behind Tremor and Kotal. Still, he's very cool.

Best? Mehhh. Very good, but best ... really?
 

Datway

Noob
Mystic Ermac is top 3 definitely. MoS and Spectral are both mediocre variation with a lot of weaknesses. In my opinion Hellfire and ethereal are better though. Problems with Mystic is that he gets zoned easily and if the person zoning you knows what their doing then you're BTFO. you can jump over exe push. takeda is really consistent on jumping over it. As a mystic player using the exe push becomes a habit so if they jump over it then you are going be punished.
 

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
Mystic Ermac is top 3 definitely. MoS and Spectral are both mediocre variation with a lot of weaknesses. In my opinion Hellfire and ethereal are better though. Problems with Mystic is that he gets zoned easily and if the person zoning you knows what their doing then you're BTFO. you can jump over exe push. takeda is really consistent on jumping over it. As a mystic player using the exe push becomes a habit so if they jump over it then you are going be punished.
 

Tweedy

Noob
Jumping over Ermac's push is tricky and if it's read, he has some of the best full combo anti airs in the game.
 

omooba

fear the moobs
Considering how many of these kinds of threads have popped up recently this has to be the most balanced the game has been. There is no definitive best in the game or top 3/5/10.
 

ZzengG

Noob
i think Cassie cage is the best in my opinion Hollywood to be exact
Ermac is a Strong Second with his good damage and neutral