Video MKXL / Injustice Twitter Poll - The Evo 2017 Rant by Mitsuownes

[AK XEN0M0RPH]

Yea ZOD was top4 and on same broken level as Aqua mmh flash batgirl

I'm assuming he will be hella neutered and toned down a ton if he's in injustice 2 so he won't cover my character for top5 so a new character will have to.

I expect all legacy characters to come out completely neutered. I expect brand new additions to be way stronger

Neutered lantern? Like B1 is a high and 18 frames?
lol

 

[LaidbackOne]

Neutered lantern? Like B1 is a high and 18 frames?
lol

I hope they totaly redesign GL an his specials. Such an amazing character and he was so boring to play in the first game.

 

[AK XEN0M0RPH]

I hope they totaly redesign GL an his specials. Such an amazing character and he was so boring to play in the first game.

I didnt find him boring at all. He could do virtually everything and had an AMAZING mixup game. Great walk speed, but worst dash in the game. Which you needed to deal with certain moves and set ups. AND OH SWEET LIFT

 

[VerminatorX]

Neverrealm does not give a fuck. Injustice 2 propably wont be tournament game because if their silly gear system. It will be Team Fortress 2 of FG`s.

 

[LaidbackOne]

Neverrealm does not give a fuck. Injustice 2 propably wont be tournament game because if their silly gear system. It will be Team Fortress 2 of FG`s.

You do realize that a tournament mode was already confirmed?

 

[AK XEN0M0RPH]

Neverrealm does not give a fuck. Injustice 2 propably wont be tournament game because if their silly gear system. It will be Team Fortress 2 of FG`s.

They said there was a tournament mode so no stats would be altered

 

[Slips]

I can't imagine what it would be like if the sport of Baseball was invented in these modern times. People would be complaining about the pitcher's mound being too low or high. Why is a hitter allowed to have an infinite number of foul balls. Why some stadiums get to have shorter fences than others. Why the distance from the pitcher to the batter is 60 ft 6 inches and taller pitchers should move back some cause they get an advantage. ect. You get the idea.

On the other hand, rule changes in professional sports are usually voted on by experts of the game by a committee with arguments for and against.

The casuals players shouldn't have a voice, but they do. The changes to the game should be calibrated by a team of experts, but they aren't.

Maybe one day...

 

[SaltShaker]

I can't imagine what it would be like if the sport of Baseball was invented in these modern times. People would be complaining about the pitcher's mound being too low or high. Why is a hitter allowed to have an infinite number of foul balls. Why some stadiums get to have shorter fences than others. Why the distance from the pitcher to the batter is 60 ft 6 inches and taller pitchers should move back some cause they get an advantage. ect. You get the idea.

On the other hand, rule changes in professional sports are usually voted on by experts of the game by a committee with arguments for and against.

The casuals players shouldn't have a voice, but they do. The changes to the game should be calibrated by a team of experts, but they aren't.

Maybe one day...

I agree with everything but a fighter isn't the same comparison.

Since it is an individual fighter, the biggest problem is the idea that top players are the experts. Being the best player is not an indicator of objectivity in regards to balance, and if anything leads to larger bias at times. Often convos can end in "i know this is a fact and you're wrong because I make Top 8s". The right or wrong isn't addressed, just the status. That's not expertise and it's not everyone, but I wouldn't consider it reliable.

I don't know how you would make a team of experts for fighting games, but it should be some sort of player/watcher group to discuss. Better off letting NRS guys do their best whether it's hit or miss.

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

I dislike seeing players bash the game. Especially top players or players who have had a little success. Hurts the scene and discourages others who look up to them

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I agree with everything but a fighter isn't the same comparison.

Since it is an individual fighter, the biggest problem is the idea that top players are the experts. Being the best player is not an indicator of objectivity in regards to balance, and if anything leads to larger bias at times. Often convos can end in "i know this is a fact and you're wrong because I make Top 8s". The right or wrong isn't addressed, just the status. That's not expertise and it's not everyone, but I wouldn't consider it reliable.

I don't know how you would make a team of experts for fighting games, but it should be some sort of player/watcher group to discuss. Better off letting NRS guys do their best whether it's hit or miss.

I'm w slips on this

 

[SaltShaker]

I'm w slips on this

Yea I def agree with most of his points, and don't mean players like or you or REO who are usually very objective with characters. But I would fear some people would not have true character balance at heart and fight for things like Superman F23~Breath (pre-Inj to early Inj) being fair which we've actually seen in the past.

There would need to be some sort of regulatory procedure or maybe an overall vote for top guys. But it wouldn't work character rep per person because no way everyone would be honest.

 

[Tony at Home]

Miso for president.

Good shit.

 

[ghostwriteous]

The main problem I see is that complaining has become such the norm in this community that its the culture now. People who speak positively about the game are instantly pounced on by others to make them understand that "the game is terrible" . It was the same way with MK9 but the main difference is people were complaining mostly about the characters and not the gameplay, as they do with MKX. The end result is a community with no optimism, full of players who constantly vocalize that they can't stand the game they play.

 

[WATCHD0G]

LBSH,

This community revives itself when the next game comes out, then dies slowly over the course of the games' life. Not just casuals, either. We've seen multiple people drop the game and come back, and some just drop the game.

Just to name a few:
Noble Jupiter
cR Honeybee
Tom Brady
PL
Pig

People have their reasons for not continuing, and everyone has their life to live. That's not my point here. My point is we have things like Twitter/Twitch at our disposal now more so than ever before and the words we say is what resonates to our audience.

Some people 'follow' because they're a fan
Some people 'follow' so they can keep up on news
And some people 'follow' to troll

Regardless of why they do, we have a job to do for OUR game and to ensure we continue to make it seem like its the best thing in the genre. This is where everything falls apart. Our community SUCKS at this.

I see it far too often that fans get ignored when asking for help/games/have a question of any sort. Sometimes they'll be graced with a 'like' and never actually receive an answer of response and hell, throwing them the 'like' only makes them feel even more ignored because they know you saw and read the message.

Our community would sometimes rather whine and cry about things that were completely avoidable in game and blame their loss on broke/dumb/busted whatever than to just give props to the opponent, slightly mention what caused the loss (lag being a huge one), and go about their day.

On the flipside, all of you who lose 30 games out of 31 and upload that one match and pop off... You're the problem too because we aren't going to play randoms who even we have a slight suspicion of. Top players, just like competitive players, want to run casuals but the attention seeking can lose you everything...

Cheers.

TLDR: it probably won't do much anyway in the grand scheme of adolescents.

dropping that truth ma man...it's a sad cycle

 

[CrimsonShadow]

The casuals players shouldn't have a voice, but they do. The changes to the game should be calibrated by a team of experts, but they aren't.

Maybe one day...

I think we're getting closer, but -- one of the biggest problems is that balancing a game isn't as easy as it's made out to be. I think there's this notion of "If you're a good player, you'll know exactly what needs to be changed", and this has been proven not to be true over and over again.

I can pick pretty much any great NRS player and tell you at least 2 characters that they were drastically wrong about at some point. It's just how it goes.

This is why most games that are esports-level now have some kind of beta period where they can test things out with a much bigger group of people, for a few weeks before those changes make it into the patch. 9 times out of 10 you'll learn a lot more that way than having a panel of experts all make predictions and hope they're right.

It'd be great for Injustice 2 to have some sort of built-in beta where we can lab the patch changes for a month or so before they're actually committed to stone.

 

[Tony at Home]

Yea ZOD was top4 and on same broken level as Aqua mmh flash batgirl

I'm assuming he will be hella neutered and toned down a ton if he's in injustice 2 so he won't cover my character for top5 so a new character will have to.

I expect all legacy characters to come out completely neutered. I expect brand new additions to be way stronger

I honestly 100% hope any character you choose to play is/becomes trash tier.

<3

 

[Slips]

I agree with everything but a fighter isn't the same comparison.

Since it is an individual fighter, the biggest problem is the idea that top players are the experts. Being the best player is not an indicator of objectivity in regards to balance, and if anything leads to larger bias at times. Often convos can end in "i know this is a fact and you're wrong because I make Top 8s". The right or wrong isn't addressed, just the status. That's not expertise and it's not everyone, but I wouldn't consider it reliable.

I don't know how you would make a team of experts for fighting games, but it should be some sort of player/watcher group to discuss. Better off letting NRS guys do their best whether it's hit or miss.

I think we're getting closer, but -- one of the biggest problems is that balancing a game isn't as easy as it's made out to be. I think there's this notion of "If you're a good player, you'll know exactly what needs to be changed", and this has been proven not to be true over and over again.

I can pick pretty much any great NRS player and tell you at least 2 characters that they were drastically wrong about at some point. It's just how it goes.

This is why most games that are esports-level now have some kind of beta period where they can test things out with a much bigger group of people, for a few weeks before those changes make it into the patch. 9 times out of 10 you'll learn a lot more that way than having a panel of experts all make predictions and hope they're right.

It'd be great for Injustice 2 to have some sort of built-in beta where we can lab the patch changes for a month or so before they're actually committed to stone.

Nobody's perfect, but you can typically differentiate which top players have a good idea of balance vs. top players that are instinctively good at games.