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EntropicByDesign

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
ChoseDeath said:
Haha, word. I wasn't upset about how he played (it's just exhausting), I was upset he quit like a bitch after all my work.
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I understand man, I was just making a random statement.. Watching that set made me tired, from both your perspectives, lol. I respect anyone that mains Gief, Ive played him a handful of times and he's enjoyable to me to 'visit' but I cant imagine the game as a whole from his perspective.
 
ChoseDeath

ChoseDeath

Seriously Casual Player.
EntropicByDesign said:
I understand man, I was just making a random statement.. Watching that set made me tired, from both your perspectives, lol. I respect anyone that mains Gief, Ive played him a handful of times and he's enjoyable to me to 'visit' but I cant imagine the game as a whole from his perspective.
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Well, the struggle to get in is just Capcom Grappler life. But yeah, this game is frustrating because people can run and zone me OR bash my face in with equal aplomb. Besides CA, most characters have nothing to fear.
 
ChoseDeath

ChoseDeath

Seriously Casual Player.
EntropicByDesign said:
I understand man, I was just making a random statement.. Watching that set made me tired, from both your perspectives, lol. I respect anyone that mains Gief, Ive played him a handful of times and he's enjoyable to me to 'visit' but I cant imagine the game as a whole from his perspective.
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I'm just such a whore for grappler characters, lol. Zangief, Birdie, and Alex. I really think I'm going to learn Dictator though, because this will be his last game and I love the character.
 
EntropicByDesign

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
ChoseDeath said:
I'm just such a whore for grappler characters, lol. Zangief, Birdie, and Alex. I really think I'm going to learn Dictator though, because this will be his last game and I love the character.
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Ive always liked grapplers too, but my preference for fast, mobile characters overrides my like of snatching someone up. I am a huge fan of hybrid grapplers though.. Like Necalli and Vega.. I wish Capcom could just remove the stereotype glasses they seem to like wearing, and design a true grappler based around speed and mobility.. I guess Abel was kind of that in IV.. but Shrug.
 
ChoseDeath

ChoseDeath

Seriously Casual Player.
Kroaken said:
Well I'm wondering... I used to do meaty f.hp into st.mp... if that hits, can we now continue with cr.lp xx lariat?
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HOPE, YOU FEEL ME WITH HOPE!!! Lol. I hope so dude. If we just have to switch to anything then cr lp xx lariat, I'm all set. Maybe we can whiff punish now? LK into lariat? Damn you Capcom, you better help us.
 
Kroaken

Kroaken

Life is a block string with no gaps.
ChoseDeath said:
HOPE, YOU FEEL ME WITH HOPE!!! Lol. I hope so dude. If we just have to switch to anything then cr lp xx lariat, I'm all set. Maybe we can whiff punish now? LK into lariat? Damn you Capcom, you better help us.
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I'll have to go back and re-read some, but I was pretty sure they said st.lk into lariat will always combo.

I'm surprised they said that cr.lp won't combo into st.lk anymore. Because at psx I think UltraDavid said u could do cr.lp cr.lp st.lk lariat. Maybe this is still being toyed with?

Also UltraDavid mentioned someone from capcom told him there'd be no tech roll after lariat so... I'm not giving up hope this will be a thing. At least as a combo endern (not an AA).

These changes aren't final so keep your big, neckless heads up, comrades :)
 
Kroaken

Kroaken

Life is a block string with no gaps.
Also, we have more frame adv on some normals based on that list. And more stun off of st.hp and bear grab. It looks like they want us to be more mixup oriented and more aggressive at seeking stun?

Gief reads will have to be more on point than ever.
 
JJvercetti

JJvercetti

Warrior
Kroaken said:
Also, we have more frame adv on some normals based on that list. And more stun off of st.hp and bear grab. It looks like they want us to be more mixup oriented and more aggressive at seeking stun?

Gief reads will have to be more on point than ever.
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Well I tend to go all in anyway so it usually Im a god or im dead lol
 
JJvercetti

JJvercetti

Warrior
ZANGIEF
Hurtbox on wakeup:
-Adjusted hurtbox when changing direction
-Atomic Drop/Captured (front and back throw):
-Reduced CA meter gain
Standing MP:
-Changed advantage on-hit +3F to +4F
-Changed advantage on-block +1F to +2F
Standing HP:
-Changed advantage on-hit +1F to +2F
-Hurtbox around his feet appears 3F faster
Standing HK:
-Changed advantage on-hit +1F to +2F
Crouching LP:
-Changed advantage on-hit +5F to +4F
Crouching LK:
-Changed advantage on-block +1F to +2F
-Reduced hit pushback
-Delayed startup of special moves 2F when cancelled from this move
Crouching MP:
-Changed startup 7F to 6F
o Reduced duration of entire move by 1F
Crouching HP:
-Changed advantage on-hit +1F to +2F
Jump LK, Jump MP, Jump HK:
-Fixed issue where airborne opponents hit by this move got knocked further away when the move hit as a counter
Head Butt:
-Changed such that CA gauge now increases when you absorb a projectile with this move
V-Trigger (Cyclone Lariat):
-Increased damage on first hit of button hold version 120 to 140
-Increased stun first hit of button hold version 200 to 150
-Increased stun second hit of button hold version 250 to 200
-Increased duration of move
-Adjusted timer gauge reduction with the increased duration
V-Reversal (Muscle Explosion):
-Changed startup 10F to 12F
-Changed recovery 19F to 24F
o No change to advantage on-hit and block
-Applied hit and projectile invincibility to entire move to 1F～14F
Siberian Express:
-Increased stun 200 to 250
EX Siberian Express:
-Increased damage 200 to 230
-Increased stun 200 to 250
MP Borscht Dynamite:
-Reduced recovery on-hit 2F
HP Borscht Dynamite:
-Reduced recovery on-hit 4F
EX Borscht Dynamite:
-Increased stun 200 to 250
Double Lariat:
-Increased damage 100 to 120 during 1F～3F of active frames
-Increased CA meter gain on whiff
-Increased hitbox upwards and inwards
-Increased hitbox forwards during spin
-Hitbox increased in size to hit or make crouching opponent block when spinning
-You can now move forward/back slightly sooner after starting this move
Screw Pile Driver:
-Reduced CA meter gain on whiff
-Increased CA meter gain on-hit
HP Screw Pile Driver:
-Reduced damage 240 to 220
-Reduced distance to opponent after hit
o This change effects duration of entire move
EX Screw Pile Driver:
-Reduced damage 240 to 220
-Reduced distance to opponent after hit
 
Kroaken

Kroaken

Life is a block string with no gaps.
JJvercetti

JJvercetti

Warrior
Kroaken said:
Ok. So... damage control.

The frame adv. buffs on our normals will make us much scarier up close. With the meter build on headbutt we don't HAVE to chase down most fireball chars.

Slight dmg nerf on spd. But we're closer so perhaps more frame advantage? Have to test.

Only worries for me are the Sim and urien buffs. Surprised we didn't get a health buff.

http://www.capcom-unity.com/harrisony/go/document/download/00af827ad527d1b9d4d709feb5ce42fd
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I think for the SPD distance would let us possibly dash up c.mp for the people with 4 frame jab/short

Apparently you can whiff punish max distance Karin sweep
 
JJvercetti

JJvercetti

Warrior
Hmm something feels off, I am struggling to connect CA after s.HK and I can only seem to do the 2 jabs into lariat combo but not consistently.

Funny thing is that you can hit Vtrigger cancel the CC HK and get all the hits LOL
 
JJvercetti

JJvercetti

Warrior
Yes I am calling this shit now, Making c.lp 4 frames on hit is shit. Lariat has the horizontal buff but you cant get to use the buff.
So awkward to combo it into lariat.
 
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Kroaken

Kroaken

Life is a block string with no gaps.
JJvercetti said:
Yes I am calling this shit now, Making c.lp 4 frames on hit is shit. Lariat has the horizontal buff but you cant get to use the buff.
So awkward to combo it into lariat.
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I'll test when I get home at midnight. What are u having issue with specifically? Not enough range or failing to combo it.

When are you trying to use the jab combo? After spd? I wonder if cr.lk cr.lk lariat works?
 
JJvercetti

JJvercetti

Warrior
Kroaken said:
I'll test when I get home at midnight. What are u having issue with specifically? Not enough range or failing to combo it.
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I can do 2 c.lp into lariat but gotta hold down forward all the way through or it will not hit.
s.mp combos into c.lp, lariat hahaha
 
Kroaken

Kroaken

Life is a block string with no gaps.
JJvercetti said:
I can do 2 c.lp into lariat but gotta hold down forward all the way through or it will not hit.
s.mp combos into c.lp, lariat hahaha
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What about f.hp cr.mp st.lk lariat? Or is that too far.

What about f.hp st.mp cr.lk lariat
 
Kroaken

Kroaken

Life is a block string with no gaps.
JJvercetti said:
I can do 2 c.lp into lariat but gotta hold down forward all the way through or it will not hit.
s.mp combos into c.lp, lariat hahaha
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And try cr.lk cr.lk lariat without holding forward. Does cr.lk have less pushback on hit than cr.lp?
 
JJvercetti

JJvercetti

Warrior
Kroaken said:
What about f.hp cr.mp st.lk lariat? Or is that too far.

What about f.hp st.mp cr.lk lariat
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Both of those push the opponent out of range after the medium hits.

Kroaken said:
And try cr.lk cr.lk lariat without holding forward. Does cr.lk have less pushback on hit than cr.lp?
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Does not combo (or I cant do it) the second c.lk seem to push out of range. c.lk, lariat works though.
 
Kroaken

Kroaken

Life is a block string with no gaps.
JJvercetti said:
Both of those push the opponent out of range after the medium hits.


Does not combo (or I cant do it) the second c.lk seem to push out of range. c.lk, lariat works though.
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What good is st.mp combing into jab then? If you have time for a meaty you'll headbutt.... and the times you would do st.mp you're too far to follow to lariat. Maybe just to tack on a jab? Gah.
 
Kroaken

Kroaken

Life is a block string with no gaps.
JJvercetti said:
Both of those push the opponent out of range after the medium hits.


Does not combo (or I cant do it) the second c.lk seem to push out of range. c.lk, lariat works though.
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One more plz.

Ok. F.hp st.mp cr.lp lariat
 
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