Street Fighter V General Discussion

[Scott The Scot]

Pfft when can I become the general amarite huh tth

 

[FL Rushdown]

listen i know footsoldiers Guile holds me back as a player he's not braindesd mika or easy mode ryu...but if it wasnt for me u guise and these ibumkis wouldnt see this type of high level guile player til years after nuckledu, chrisg and isdd studied my tapes

Spoiler: i du it for u guise

theres nothing easy mode about winning with ryu, he's pretty damn honest. Guile gets more free wins off of gief players than ryu gets off of all other characters combined. I think ryu is an incredibly strong character, but he doesn't blow the doors off anyone in a matchup. He doesn't really lose any matchups hard and he doesn't really win any hard either.

 

[Kroaken]

theres nothing easy mode about winning with ryu, he's pretty damn honest. Guile gets more free wins off of gief players than ryu gets off of all other characters combined. I think ryu is an incredibly strong character, but he doesn't blow the doors off anyone in a matchup. He doesn't really lose any matchups hard and he doesn't really win any hard either.

I disagree, but respect your opinion.

Whom do you play, jw?

 

[B. Shazzy]

theres nothing easy mode about winning with ryu, he's pretty damn honest. Guile gets more free wins off of gief players than ryu gets off of all other characters combined. I think ryu is an incredibly strong character, but he doesn't blow the doors off anyone in a matchup. He doesn't really lose any matchups hard and he doesn't really win any hard either.

3f jab aa > dash > 50/50 lul

meanwhile my charged aa specials dont even work

I disagree, but respect your opinion.

Whom do you play, jw?

who do u think lul

 

[Kroaken]

who do u think lul

I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt here lol

 

[B. Shazzy]

I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt here lol

https://clips.twitch.tv/imstilldadaddy1985/TameHamsterBleedPurple

ryu player got one kd sweep into cc combo and hit like 5 buttonns tops and that's his reward

then a jab aa
https://clips.twitch.tv/imstilldadaddy1985/WittyCobraFunRun



ryu can do this to any character but ya guile 6-4s gief so clearly they're equal effort characters lul.

 

[Kroaken]

https://clips.twitch.tv/imstilldadaddy1985/TameHamsterBleedPurple

ryu player got one kd sweep into cc combo and hit like 5 buttonns tops and that's his reward

then a jab aa
https://clips.twitch.tv/imstilldadaddy1985/WittyCobraFunRun



ryu can do this to any character but ya guile 6-4s gief so clearly they're equal effort characters lul.

Not only that, but I feel like any MU where guile succeeds, Ryu does as well. Guile has the fortune of not having to play Ryus game in that MU so that's nice. But as far as full roster balance, Ryu is just better off.

Easier conversions for dmg.
Better i-frames on reversal.
Better critical art that can work as an unblockable (idk why he needed this one)
Better frame traps buttons
Arguably better footsy buttons

That's how it looks to me.

 

[Aramonde]

https://clips.twitch.tv/imstilldadaddy1985/TameHamsterBleedPurple

ryu player got one kd sweep into cc combo and hit like 5 buttonns tops and that's his reward

then a jab aa
https://clips.twitch.tv/imstilldadaddy1985/WittyCobraFunRun



ryu can do this to any character but ya guile 6-4s gief so clearly they're equal effort characters lul.

Was ISDD Bryan Fury for Halloween?

 

[FL Rushdown]

Not only that, but I feel like any MU where guile succeeds, Ryu does as well. Guile has the fortune of not having to play Ryus game in that MU so that's nice. But as far as full roster balance, Ryu is just better off.

Easier conversions for dmg.
Better i-frames on reversal.
Better critical art that can work as an unblockable (idk why he needed this one)
Better frame traps buttons
Arguably better footsy buttons

That's how it looks to me.

yeah ryu is a better character. I think he's arguably the best character in the game. Doesn't mean he's easy to win with. The mans got 0 gimmicks and doesn't have any freebie matchups. Ryu doesn't beat anyone on matchup alone. A lot of sf characters do though.

 

[Kroaken]

yeah ryu is a better character. I think he's arguably the best character in the game. Doesn't mean he's easy to win with. The mans got 0 gimmicks and doesn't have any freebie matchups. Ryu doesn't beat anyone on matchup alone. A lot of sf characters do though.

Well I disagree. Anyone that guile beats on MU principles, Ryu does as well. I feel you're under rating his zoning game and recovery on fireballs.
Also as far as dirt, he has guard breaking vtrigger shenanigans which I've seen win plenty of matches. Also, he has the bizarre j. Lk hitbox.

 

[FL Rushdown]

Well I disagree. Anyone that guile beats on MU principles, Ryu does as well. I feel you're under rating his zoning game and recovery on fireballs.
Also as far as dirt, he has guard breaking vtrigger shenanigans which I've seen win plenty of matches. Also, he has the bizarre j. Lk hitbox.

ryus matchup vs gief is worse than guiles by quite a bit. The extra recovery and startup on fireballs hurts him. I think he beats gief but more in the 5.5-4.5 way than the 6/4-7/3 way. Most characters in the game are built and designed to have options to counter ryus toolset he's still incredibly strong, but all of his moves have answers. I'm not talking about who is the better character I'm just saying that if you're losing to a ryu, it's your fault not his.

 

[Kroaken]

ryus matchup vs gief is worse than guiles by quite a bit. The extra recovery and startup on fireballs hurts him. I think he beats gief but more in the 5.5-4.5 way than the 6/4-7/3 way. Most characters in the game are built and designed to have options to counter ryus toolset he's still incredibly strong, but all of his moves have answers. I'm not talking about who is the better character I'm just saying that if you're losing to a ryu, it's your fault not his.

I think that last bit is universal.

 

[EntropicByDesign]

I dunno, Ive never thought Ryu had trouble winning. I dont see why he would. I mean, I know we all know what Ryu is trying to do, but I dont think that lessens the efficacy of it. Honestly that can be said for almost any character you know enough about. I know what most Mikas or Kens are trying to do, but I still get bopped. Mika less-so because of her mixups, but she has to play a neutral game to GET those mixups first.. and a dashing Mika with a bar is going to command grab you, its a damn law of nature, but it still works vs the best players in the world and still does WAY more damage than it probably should.

Ryu typically wants to establish his spacing game - both for fireballs and his normals, and he wants to establish the threat of DP and his ability to pressure your wake-up and he wants to make you think twice about pressuring his wakeup with the threat of DP. He wants to build enough respect that his MP and LK becomes factors, and he wants to punish HARD. Ryu is super good at those things and with his damage and ability to convert situations and stray hits IN to damage - I dont really see how he has a lot of trouble winning at any skill stratum save the tippy top.

Of course, a lot of what Ryu has can be exploited. Bad fireball game and you get 300+ damage jump-in combo'd. Bad DP game and you get 300+ damage CCs. Bad Tatsu and you get.. I dunno? Jabbed? Maybe? But that's not the characters fault. Any character played poorly will get blown up by someone playing another character well. I think Ryu has a deceptively high skill ceiling - but he takes wins for free in low/medium skill strata games with nothing more than yolo dps. Ryu may not have any weird gimmicks, all his tools are 'honest' and straight forward (kinda, he has dirt, and thats fine) but his lack of gimmicks is more strength than weakness. It means nothing he does (if done well) is easy to counter with some one-size-fits-all option.

Just my opinion.

 

[Kroaken]

ryus matchup vs gief is worse than guiles by quite a bit. The extra recovery and startup on fireballs hurts him. I think he beats gief but more in the 5.5-4.5 way than the 6/4-7/3 way. Most characters in the game are built and designed to have options to counter ryus toolset he's still incredibly strong, but all of his moves have answers. I'm not talking about who is the better character I'm just saying that if you're losing to a ryu, it's your fault not his.

I should elaborate. If you lose to ryu, it's your fault, sure. But if you lose to guile, it's your fault as well. I don't think you should ever feel the need to blame the opposing character for your lost unless something is blatantly broken.

Guile is as straightforward as they come though. He has 2 special moves lol. If he ain't boomin, he's flash kickin.

So, like I said, I just straight up disagree.

 

[Rip Torn]

I do mash HK and half the time it will get blocked. Im not picking him up or anything i was just curious if that combo was useful. Props to you man this characters combos are so weird having to time all the juggles.

It's just a timing thing then. You get used to it. Same with his juggles. There are some annoying things about Rashid though. Like HP spinning mixer wont always hit at the end of a combo depending on how far away you were when you hit them with ex eagle spike, so you have to use MP spinning mixer sometimes.

I've dropped alot of game winning combos due to stuff like that.

 

[B. Shazzy]

Not only that, but I feel like any MU where guile succeeds, Ryu does as well. Guile has the fortune of not having to play Ryus game in that MU so that's nice. But as far as full roster balance, Ryu is just better off.

Easier conversions for dmg.
Better i-frames on reversal.
Better critical art that can work as an unblockable (idk why he needed this one)
Better frame traps buttons
Arguably better footsy buttons

That's how it looks to me.

Ya and winning against gief is something half the cast and ryu already do while not losing to Sim, Necalli, Nash, Cammy, Chun and some say Mika too

 

[Kroaken]

Ya and winning against gief is something half the cast and ryu already do while not losing to Sim, Necalli, Nash, Cammy, Chun and some say Mika too

Agreed. Although I've heard Guile is Chuns worst MU coming in at a whopping 5-5 lol.

I also think Guile struggles vs Ken.

 

[B. Shazzy]

Agreed. Although I've heard Guile is Chuns worst MU coming in at a whopping 5-5 lol.

I also think Guile struggles vs Ken.

Justin wong thinks Karin beats Guile too the list is pretty big. Meanwhile Tokido thinks Ryu is the best character in the game and doesnt need a pocket character to breeze his way to grandfinals do the math lul

 

[FL Rushdown]

Justin wong thinks Karin beats Guile too the list is pretty big. Meanwhile Tokido thinks Ryu is the best character in the game do the math lul

evil ryu was the best character in usf4 except for maybe yun. Neither of them were easy to win with. Having good matchups and tools doesn't have any impact on how hard your gameplan/execution is. Chuns probably number 1 in the game and she's a hard character to play. Ryu has always been simple and strong, he's never been easy.

 

[Kroaken]

Justin wong thinks Karin beats Guile too the list is pretty big. Meanwhile Tokido thinks Ryu is the best character in the game and doesnt need a pocket character to breeze his way to grandfinals do the math lul

Yeah. There may or may not be a little down playing going in this thread

Have you seen the "Chris G explains the Chun Li matchup" thing? Lmao his reenactment is spot on.

 

[Kroaken]

evil ryu was the best character in usf4 except for maybe yun. Neither of them were easy to win with. Having good matchups and tools doesn't have any impact on how hard your gameplan/execution is. Chuns probably number 1 in the game and she's a hard character to play. Ryu has always been simple and strong, he's never been easy.

I'm not saying anyone is easy to win with. That depends on your skill vs your opponents skill.

But who is easiER to win with between guile and ryu? Cmon duuuude. Quit playin

 

[B. Shazzy]

evil ryu was the best character in usf4 except for maybe yun. Neither of them were easy to win with. Having good matchups and tools doesn't have any impact on how hard your gameplan/execution is. Chuns probably number 1 in the game and she's a hard character to play. Ryu has always been simple and strong, he's never been easy.

thats relative innit. using the worst character in the game as a measure Ryu is easy mode if I'm comparing him to gief right? Gief compared to Guile isn't on the opposite ends of the spectrum like that.

if gief is hard mode in this game, guile is medium mode, and ryu is easy mode thats pretty fair to say

 

[FL Rushdown]

thats relative innit. using the worst character in the game as a measure Ryu is easy mode if I'm comparing him to gief right? Gief compared to Guile isn't on the opposite ends of the spectrum like that.

the matchups are what they are. A 5-5 matchup is always as easy as any other 5-5 matchup. You're evenly matched. A 6-4 or 7-3 matchup is easier to win in. Guile has always had more imbalanced matchups than ryu by design so he's always had easier or harder matchups than ryu depending on his opponent, but ryu has never had those 7-3 matchups like guile vs hugo or guile vs gief. That's all I was saying.

 

[FL Rushdown]

I'm not saying anyone is easy to win with. That depends on your skill vs your opponents skill.

But who is easiER to win with between guile and ryu? Cmon duuuude. Quit playin

depends entirely on the matchup. If they're both 5/5 it's even. Ryu has a more balanced matchup chart than guile by design, but he also doesn't have any huge mismatches in his favor.

 

[Kroaken]

depends entirely on the matchup. If they're both 5/5 it's even. Ryu has a more balanced matchup chart than guile by design, but he also doesn't have any huge mismatches in his favor.

Idk i just think that any 6-4 guile has, Ryu shares as well.

And if he doesnt, it's against gief who already struggles anyway.

I'd take a bunch of 6-4s in my favor and a 5-5 v gief who isn't amazing anyway as opposed to having the character who counters the relatively weak gief.