Well then you actually agree with me. Command grabs should be stronger than regular throws. How do you nerf regular throws then? You give them less range and more recovery. You could also increase the startup or tech windows, but that might be taking it too far.
command grabs ARE stronger than regular throws though. They're untechable, do more damage, have better range, and generally give you a better setup. The main reason people like Fuudo use regular throws with Mika is because they're a safer way to condition your opponent.
Exactly, they're safer. There's no reason to risk 25-40% life when you can do much safer stuff and get the same reward. I just think regular throws should be easier to punish. Fuudo understands that the risk/reward doesn't favor the command grab.
grapplers aren't "mid tier at best" though. Mika is clearly a strong character, and I'd argue that while she's not the best character in the game, she's top tier.
you don't get the same reward though, Mika gets more from her command grabs than she does regular throws, fuudo starts using the command grabs when he gets people to start teching, it's smarter and safer, but the tools feed one another they don't take away from each other. The threat of the command grab makes the regular ticks stronger, and the threat of the regular throws make the command grabs stronger by forcing your defense to include an option that loses to command grabs outright. If all you gotta do is guess block/jump it's a 50/50, introduce the regular throw and establish that you can punish them for jumping them with either ex wingless or cr mp and it's 33/33/33. Better odds in mikas favor that you fuck up and eat big dmg.
I agree with what you are saying. command grabs are a nice tool to have. When you introduce that extra layer of mixup, grapplers are difficult to deal with. My main complaint is with how strong throws are and how there is almost no risk for throwing in this game. If Mika tries to throw you in the corner and you neutral jump, she gets a free aa into a meaty reset. I feel like she should at least have to block your attack on the way down. She'd still have the strike/throw/grab mixups, but one of them would just be a little less safe.
You used -arino <3
It's all memes
(you know, since if he's mid tier he can't actually be unviable trash lol)
I know, that was the reason I was laughing.It's all memes
Mika's as much a reset/set-up character as she is a grappler though and clearly in a league of her own primarily because of the former (which the latter certainly does compliment well though). Every other grappler in this game is buns or slightly better.
cammy and ken have always relied heavily on throws. Remember kens kara throws? The grapplers in this game are fine. Mika is very good, Alex is decent, Laura is meh, and giefs got some problems. Vega, necalli, and birdie arent a bad batch of characters either.
What?
Mika is ass. Fuudo is just too fucking good. Only reason why he's so consistent with the character.
Oops meant to say spiral arrow lol. I always confuse the names.
Fuudo uses normal throw because it's strictly safer, not both safe and as rewarding.
I started playing Gief, if that counts.
prove that shit or shut the fuck up myles.
Prove what? It's not a secret that she is a very easy and simple top tier
like I said. Play her or shut up. I'm sick of you whining about how your character is holding you back and you're secretly godlike. Like the only thing stopping you from playing like du dang is your character.
You confused "Spiral Arrow" to "can of sprite"?
But I play both Mika and F.A.N.G. and I'm amazing with both of them.
Yeah. I never call them by their real name. I usually call them "Divekick" and "Drill". Spiral Arrow sounds like it could be a divekick but also the drill, same with canon strike and that's why I get confused between them. Can't really explain why, but my head just doesn't remember and/or distinguish between them lol.
People complaining about their top tier characters smh. Next we'll have some Ryu player crying about crush counter punishes on his meterless dp
The fact that you feel like R.Mikas forced to take risks on command grabs when she's +30 after a normal throw shows that I have a better understanding of how the characters works than you do.
This comment has nothing to do with me...
