General/Other - Jason Voorhees Jason's d1 - stupid or not?

[Thazeekster608]

Pre patch when I played against a Jason with my tremor or Lui if they kept spamming it after like the 3rd one u get pushed enough back to which he will whiff his d1 and I just armored launched his ass for a full combo most Jason players stop spamming after I was doing it a few times but now it's -4 so u have way more options now

 

[Safe Armor]

Can we stop blaming Jason's D1 for all our Jason related problems? Seriously, it's in line with the other good D1's. you need to calm down.

Sure I mean you are at +1 advantage when you block it....

 

[omooba]

NOTHING NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH THIS BUTTON ANYMORE! People. Move the fuck on. We've been through this. Not only was it changed but so was every damn poke in the game to be 8f or faster. That means NO ONE should be having a ton of issues with this unless they're making the mistake.

lol calm down boi i'm agreeing with you sheesh

 

[Parasurama]

Not

 

[Invincible Salads]

Sure I mean you are at +1 advantage when you block it....

um, no its not +1 on block, get frame data straight.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

This is what happens when MK9 Jade complainers try to be the voice of reason.

 

[thlityoursloat]

Nerf Liu Kang's d3 instead, that stupid pos frametraps into his d1 now.

 

[CrazyFingers]

Nerf Liu Kang's d3 instead, that stupid pos frametraps into his d1 now.

So does mine, point?

 

[Eldriken]

A better question: Are topics about Jason's d1 stupid or not yet? Not the best poke in the game at all. It's on par with the other good d1s.

If it had the range of Kotal's or Kitana's, then there may be an issue. But it doesn't, so it's fine. Be glad it's -4 instead of -2.

 

[Safe Armor]

um, no its not +1 on block, get frame data straight.

-4 plus block stun it makes it -1.

I said -1... you are at +1 when you block it. Learn to read.

 

[thlityoursloat]

So does mine, point?

Who?

 

[CrazyFingers]

Who?

Leatherface. D1 jails after D3 and vice versa.

 

[thlityoursloat]

Leatherface. D1 jails after D3 and vice versa.

I'm talking on BLOCK.

 

[hkriderz]

-10?!

I was on the front lines saying that d1 should not be -2, as I'm sure some of you will remember from that death thread @CrazyFingers made

-4 is fine enough since 9 frame pokes are of the past. Git Gud sir.

 

[CrazyFingers]

-10?!

I was on the front lines saying that d1 should not be -2, as I'm sure some of you will remember from that death thread @CrazyFingers made

-4 is fine enough since 9 frame pokes are of the past. Git Gud sir.

Probably the worst thread I've ever made tbh just because of the amount of idiocy derived from it.

 

[Rip Torn]

-4 plus block stun it makes it -1.

I said -1... you are at +1 when you block it. Learn to read.

That makes no sense at all. It's -4 on block. THAT'S THE BLOCK STUN. Why are you adding 3 frames to it??

 

[Belial]

There is a pattern with NRS d1's that looks like this
i6 -5 on block, +15 on hit
i7 -4 on block, +16 on hit
i8 -3 on block +17 on hit

Why does Jason need to be an exception is an open question.

 

[thlityoursloat]

There is a pattern with NRS d1's that looks like this
i6 -5 on block, +15 on hit
i7 -4 on block, +16 on hit
i8 -3 on block +17 on hit

Why does Jason need to be an exception is an open question.

Stubby range.

 

[Eldriken]

-4 plus block stun it makes it -1.

I said -1... you are at +1 when you block it. Learn to read.

Do you have the slightest clue what you're talking about? None of what you said makes any sense.

 

[haketh]

There is a pattern with NRS d1's that looks like this
i6 -5 on block, +15 on hit
i7 -4 on block, +16 on hit
i8 -3 on block +17 on hit

Why does Jason need to be an exception is an open question.

Because exceptions to rules exist in FGs & it's a part of what makes them fun b

 

[Belial]

Stubby range.

its how every other generic d1 in the game is. Some exceptions are present but its different moves unlike regular d1.

Im not questioning whether Jason d1 should be changed just pointing out that its not following pattern NRS established.

In my own opinion identical moves are bad design and also pokes in NRS games are terribly implemented, but thats a completely different topic

 

[haketh]

In my own opinion identical moves are bad design and also pokes in NRS games are terribly implemented, but thats a completely different topic

I think a lot of it has to do with going with 3D game frame data design in a 2D game but yeah that's a whole nother topic

 

[Safe Armor]

That makes no sense at all. It's -4 on block. THAT'S THE BLOCK STUN. Why are you adding 3 frames to it??

Release block stun.

 

[Permodius]

Release block stun.

-4 on block is -4 on block, regardless of block-stun. Additional block-stun just means that you have to wait longer before you can press a button, but you will still be -4.

 

[The Farmer]

There may have been argument for its stupidity before it was nerfed when it was -2. This thread should have been made like a month ago.