Jeffrey Wolf
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Didn't we just have this conversation in two other threads?
It's getting tiresome to see all of these threads to say exactly the same, we should merge all of them instead of a new one popping every week to be honest, smh.Didn't we just have this conversation in two other threads?
Yeah I definitely wish he had more sword and weapon strings like Ninjutsu. Cancels would be awesome as well.I really wish he had Ice Hammer Run Cancel and variation specific string adjustments. NJP ice sword, 111 overhead last hit, 114 cancelable and no belly flop, more sword strings like Ninjutsu. I'd gladly trade some damage potential for these and it would finally make him the offensive variation.
but can't poke back against jason's d1Strengths
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I'll be honest and say that I'm not super familiar with ferra's ground game and conversions. That said, it just doesn't seem like a great idea from my perspective. Without the buff, Cryo gets 41% off a NJP conversion and can put the opponent in the corner from literally any part of the screen (to be fair, the run-under B+2 is a giant pain; I don't even bother with it most of the time; nonetheless, it's a thing).I don't see how it's overkill. Ferra/Torr gets bigger damage than Cryo and has the farthest reaching NJP in the game. Just a little sword like scorpion's ninjutsu variation.
He's really only got one true weakness, and that's his bad normals/pokes. Other than that, he's a good footsies character. It's just that so many characters in MKX don't have to play footsies, so his only real strategy is to run in with a mix-up and do as much damage as possible.I wanna pick up cryo. He seems to be decent yet ive seen around this forum that he's on the low side of the chart. I dont quite understand the weaknesses. Someone school me on them so i know how to hide them from my opponents.
Not sure I agree here. Ex-Slide is a really good reversal, and ex-shatter is a decent reversal that leads into a full BnB.if your opponent knocks you down, the match is over.
EX slide is not a threat considering it does medicore damage, doesn't allow him to hide behind a clone, and doesn't lead to a full combo as compared to mileena's roll. EX shatter has a very small upward hitbox so basically Cryomancer is free to jumpovers on wakeup. Also, all of his reversals are full combo punishable if they are blocked. The character is always negative and one mistake by the player is all it takes for a loss. He is no threat either midscreen and can easily be zoned out. Yeah sure, you can do a full screen wakeup slide but you just spent bar on a combo breaker you will not be able to build back whatsoever, unless of course your opponent blocked that wakeup and is punishing you for it.Not sure I agree here. Ex-Slide is a really good reversal, and ex-shatter is a decent reversal that leads into a full BnB.
What exactly is your idea of a character who isn't "dead when they get knocked down" then....EX slide is not a threat considering it does medicore damage, doesn't allow him to hide behind a clone, and doesn't lead to a full combo as compared to mileena's roll. EX shatter has a very small upward hitbox so basically Cryomancer is free to jumpovers on wakeup. Also, all of his reversals are full combo punishable if they are blocked. The character is always negative and one mistake by the player is all it takes for a loss. He is no threat either midscreen and can easily be zoned out. Yeah sure, you can do a full screen wakeup slide but you just spent bar on a combo breaker you will not be able to build back whatsoever, unless of course your opponent blocked that wakeup and is punishing you for it.
Kung LAO, Mileena, Shinnok, Takeda, Jacqui, Jason, Erron Black, Kano, WG Kotal, Scorpion, Johnny, etc.What exactly is your idea of a character who isn't "dead when they get knocked down" then....
F12 should be +2 if his pokes don't get changed, 9 frames pokes are too slow.Shitty armor...? Bad wake ups...? Lol, what? You guys clearly don't have much MU experience when it comes to Cryo.
As has been said by @Temp and many others who actually know the character, he just needs a better poke and F12 to be faster.
Cryomancer already gets 32% off of frost bomb. Wake ups or armor isn't his problem. His problem is that he has bad offense and footsies for a supposed offensive variation.Kung LAO, Mileena, Shinnok, Takeda, Jacqui, Jason, Erron Black, Kano, WG Kotal, Scorpion, Johnny, etc.
Seeing a trend here?
You have characters with threatening wake ups that make you block or have safe armor. IF Cryomancer didn't have a reactable MB hammer, then he'd be scary on knock down.
If it's like current uprock then he will still suck, but pre patch up rock hell yeahIf there is anything i would like subzero to get it'll be that uprock-like move he used to have in MK3. I think i'll be all the help he requires if he can pressure rain down freeze showers on the opponents.
The only characters you've listed here that have both a fast wakeup and a safe option are Johnny and Kano. The rest are either unsafe or can be stuffed on wakeup without too much trouble.Kung LAO, Mileena, Shinnok, Takeda, Jacqui, Jason, Erron Black, Kano, WG Kotal, Scorpion, Johnny, etc.
Seeing a trend here?
You have characters with threatening wake ups that make you block or have safe armor. IF Cryomancer didn't have a reactable MB hammer, then he'd be scary on knock down.