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Kenshi Srubtastic,Cyrax, Special Forces Mains
damn right too much agreeing on TYM stop that shit
damn right too much agreeing on TYM stop that shit
Hah. Funny. I see what you did there.
Yes, SG gets huge mileage out of his command grab but at best it's only supplementary to his already solid mixup game... and that's the bottom line of CGs in this game, you don't beat a solid player but grabbing them to death like you do by pressuring or 50/50ing them to death.
Well if you're scared of eating a combo you can get away with grabbing them to death. I've sand trapped people twice and sometimes three times in a row cuz they don't want to neutral duck because they're scared of a 21122 or 50/50
What is his solid mixup game in sun god? He's got staggers but so does Commando, which is how most grapplers in this game function. Staggers and command grab mind games. The rebuttal was half assed because quite honestly, I don't care. If you think commando kano is the only character that bases his game plan solely on command throws, that's cool, I don't honestly give a damn. But other than that, when have my rebuttals been anything but actually thought out? You seem to be saying that's a majority of my rebuttals but that's just not the case. Does everyone do shit like that? Yea, it's human, gut reactions occur all the damn time. So before you blow up on me for no reason, think please?
Well commando is actually really really good but he does need pretty decent reads outside of just doing choke on block then ex choke/ command grab right after. But I don't get how sun God already has a solid mixup game
He doesn't. Only Kotal variation that does is War God.
He does. B1 is -2 vs. Commando's -8, B1 has 3 string follow ups vs. 1 in Commando, has a safe (but reactable) OH, has a big boot that's +9, has a low string, has meterless plus frames. Commando ain't got none of that, the only thing he has over SG is less gaps and a safe special he can always cancel in to but it's not like it matters since Commando is already safe.
Sorry man, gotta defend myself when I smell bullshit but I assume we're cool now that we have an understanding. As far as comparing the staggers, Kotak definitely has better ones than Kano but Kano's staggers are still really solid tools. F4 stagger is a pretty scary tool for example. His staggers are a bit different than Kotal's in the fact that he staggers normals/strings into choke, like how cybernetic does with. Granted, is commando good? No, I think he needs a lot of help and has been kind of ignored (except for B1 tick throwing, that was a great start) OH! and Commando's S2/S22 stagger is REALLY good and I'm not sure why no one talks about it.He does. B1 is -2 vs. Commando's -8, B1 has 3 string follow ups vs. 1 in Commando, has a safe (but reactable) OH, has a big boot that's +9, has a low string, has meterless plus frames. Commando ain't got none of that, the only thing he has over SG is less gaps and a safe special he can always cancel in to but it's not like it matters since Commando is already safe.
Also I was teasing you with that rebuttal shit, damn.
Np.
Yea, but it's still a solid tool to use, high doesn't ever mean useless tho I'm sure you don't think that it does
It isn't bad to whip out every once in a while, but it's hardly something I can rely on. I'd just get D4'd by Johnny, Alien, D'vorah, Kano himself, Kotal, etc.
Tho it does have decent range which is nice...ok this is a Jason thread, getting off topic xD
Yeah but he's acting like he has decent mixups to keep him alive without a command grab. 212 is a really good string that more kotals need to use and you can stagger it lol
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You can stagger it? I use 212 a lot, but I didn't know you can stagger it. Mind enlightening me?
S2 is plus 2 and is basically identical to S1 with slightly slower startup but more hit advantage. 2 and 21 are basically 1 and 11 for S1 in a sense. If you tag someone with a S2 it is very plus and leaves you at the perfect range to throw some pokes in. If you tag them with 212 you get a lot of stuff free. The only thing that'd make the stagger better would be if S2 was a tick throws, thing would be godlike. Underrated string. Also 21 and 212 are barely minus on block which means you can throw some pokes out depending on what you think the opponent will do.
You don't think the 6f d1 and -2 on block isn't Abit much? It could use a slight tone down.
Maybe just make it -3 or -4. Nothing worse than that